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@randybutternubs: Again, it was made perfectly clear his spine was not healed. Him doing anything with a damage spine is a feat in and of itself

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@randybutternubs: I really wanna know if you think Kung Lao can defeat Shao Kahn or not. Not if he's supposed to, but if he Can.

we can run in circles with the inconsistencies all you want, but all you got is Kung Lao beating other Jobbers as well. Quan Chi and Shang Tsung had no wins under their belt at this point of the story. The deadly alliance are a joke in the new timeline. They even sadder than the Kombat kids, I'd argue

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@randybutternubs: I'm referring to just before the playable fight. You really tryna pretend nothing happened, aight

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But alas, let's focus on Kung Lao for a minute:

bested Shang Tsung (who lost to Kitana, Smoke, Nightwolf's Revenant, and Technically Sub-Zero)

Bested Quan Chi (Who lost to Scorpion, a retired Jax, and got his Balls crushed by Sonya)

Bested Kintaro (who lost to fricking Stryker of all people, alongside getting decapitated by Sonya)

Bested Scorpion (who wasn't even knocked out, and jumped right back in the fight seconds later, As opposed to when Scorpion bested him in MK9 and he was genuinely beaten)

Bested Geras (Only to lose immediately after)

got cut by his own hat, either because it was too fast or it was thrown too hard, it's bottomline sad nonetheless.

And was dumb enough to turn his back to the most evil person in the entire world, because he wouldn't kill me in the most embarassing way, right?

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

Two people who are higher than Kitana and Jade, who have soul manipulation. You were the one who claimed they weren't impressive I said they may be weaker but they are more impressive than Kotal defeating Goro who hasn't done much of anything in the current timeline.

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

Kung Lao isn't suppose to beat Shao Kahn, Kotal was intended to be comparable to Shao Kahn but has too many low showings to prove otherwise. And Kotal was humilated by Shao Kahn twice.

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Kotal isn't a high tier though, too many low showings. Losing to kombat kids who are rookies in the Special Forces? Pretty low bar tbh. LMAO Stalemated Against Sheeva? You mean Sheeva planting him right to the floor hurting his pride.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

So fodder made Kotal weaker? Thanks for proving my point.

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

I have, read my response above carefully. Show me feats of Gorbak defeating someone notable, burden of proof is on you.

So instead of Proving that the characters he lost to are weak, you continue to showcase that you have no real way to suggest that the Kombat kids or the people he fought are weak. Kitana is arguably stronger than Kung Lao but she still lost to Sheeva.

Kung Lao has never won against Shao Kahn, so any victory he has against him puts him over. You bring up how Shao Kahn bested Kotal Twice, but one victory over Shao is more than what Kung Lao showed capable of doing.

Shang Tsung got clapped by Smoke, Quan Chi got clapped by Sonya. Kung Lao's victories don't have any wins either till MK11 and even then, Old Shang Tsung was getting bullied through most of it.

Kung Lao's best victory was against Scorpion in MK11, and he walks it off Almost completely unfazed

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With a damaged back, Kotal breaks the stalemate and knocks Sheeva back before the fight began. You say I'm only focusing on his high feats, but You're doing your hardest to ignore them

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If we wanna talk feats, here's a few: Kotal withstanding a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, which killed some closeby soldiers, and has been used for substancially greater feats of destruction

And here is Kotal Kahn losing to a Kombat Kid with very few feats. Funny how Kotal goes down much easier here and had the sun out as well.

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Overpowered and nearly killed Dvorrah, who has fairly impressive feats of her own

Loses to Jacqui right here, even his experince in combat contradicts his power.

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Cut off Goro's arms

His only impressive feat.

And my favorite:

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Destroyed an entire ship in a single attack

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Nothing Kung Lao has done can compare

Kung Lao beats the punching bag of MK known as Kotal Kahn

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"He was beaten by these guys!"

What makes these characters weak?

"They have no feats!"

but what makes them weak?

the implication that a high tier character losing to a character drags them down rather than bring them up, which is what makes your argument flawed altogether.

You haven't brought a single feat, you just brought up characters he beat who are arguably bigger jobbers than the guys Kotal lost to.

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

Defeating two notable people makes her a high tier? My point still stands.

Yes... just like how Kung Lao defeating the Deadly Alliance (Who weren't too impressive) was your original argument

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Losing to Shao Kahn not once but twice, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Sheeva, and Jade. Losing to characters that haven't done anything does in fact make you look weaker than intended.

Shao Kahn has proven capable of beating MK high tiers, and Kung Lao has never won against him at all. His highest feat (barely winning against Shao Kahn)

hell, everyone you've listed have fought against and won against high tiers. Especially Sheeva who fought an Injured Kotal to boot, and still stalemated against him in their wrestle at the start

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

And what does that have to due with Rain having next to none feats? He hasn't defeated anyone notable so bringing up someone with zero showings having an advantage over Kotal doesn't make sense and makes your point moot.

Straight up made Kotal Weaker and Kotal still pushed through his magic. Kotal pushing past his weakness isn't worth Noting?

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

Doesn't change the solid fact that King Gorbak has zero feats. Hyping up a featless character doesn't help.

You haven't presented a single reason as to him being weak tho.

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If we wanna talk feats, here's a few: Kotal withstanding a direct attack from Shinnok's amulet, which killed some closeby soldiers, and has been used for substancially greater feats of destruction

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Overpowered and nearly killed Dvorrah, who has fairly impressive feats of her own

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Cut off Goro's arms

And my favorite:

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Destroyed an entire ship in a single attack

Nothing Kung Lao has done can compare

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@sladerulez: No he does not. He has lost too many times to be on Shao Kahns tier. Sheeva is not a high tier before Aftermath she had 0 victories. Raiden is a high tier but not her. Just because she defeated Baraka and Jade in Aftermath makes her a high tier? Baraka has jobbed in most of his appearances. He has lost to just about everyone he has encountered. Jade is probably her only good feat.

You just didn't mention Kitana at all

I never claimed or stated that Kotal became exception to the rule, for someone who is suppose to be comparable to Shao Kahn he has very bad low showings.

Three losses against characters that haven't done anything to be deemed as weak.

Rain hasn't done anything really either, especially in the Current timeline, never defeated anyone notable. Gorbak is also another person who has zero feats and he never defeated Shao Kahn lmao what are you talking about?

Rain's weather manipulation allows him to negate Kotal's biggest advantage and Kotal powered right through it. How is that not something to be worth Noting?

Also, the Shokan become the ruler after proving their might against all those who challenge it. He had to win the title against an indefinite amount of Fellow Shokan, which are the strongest individual race throughout Mortal Kombat. How is it not noteworthy?

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@randybutternubs: Except he has far more high feats than low feats. Out of the various fights, only 3 feel inconsistent, and that relies on the characters being perceived as weak, in spite of not really doing anything that deems them as weak. (given how those he lost also face higher tier characters such as Raiden and Sheeva)

Why does Kotal become the exception to the rule?

His victories against Rain, Gorbak, Goro, and Shao Kahn don't just disappear.