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Making excuses for why Kotal lost to Kung Jin and Jacqui, desperation to make those instances not look bad for him even though lots of people know those are bad anti feats for Kotal. So yeah you are trying to change them. Even there's a whole thread about how much he gets beaten.

Bringing up facts that you choose to ignore cause it's easier, more like.

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@sladerulez said:

Where was it stated that Kotal was weaker, now you are having a desperation attempt to make Kotal look better when he loses lol. Tried that excuse with Kung Jin, didn't work. Kung Jin has little feats and the one good feat he got was defeating Kotal which is a high showing for him and anti feat for Kotal, i already said this, guess you forgot.

It is Literally stated, word for word, that the Osh Tekks are weaker without Sunlight. It is in the Comics, Goro

deliberately had Rain block the sun so he could fair better against Kotal's father. It is an established vulnerability for the OshTekks, why do you act like it ain't a thing?

Weaker as in not being able to fight at night or they lose all power? If can't even beat a rookie Special Forces member at night then he really must be that weak.

did Three deployments, only lost to high tiers. Losing to Jacqui ain't as terrible as you want it to be, man.

Here you acting like I'm forgetting stuff

You have been for awhile now.

Pot, meet Kettle

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"implied" Do you have definitive proof or is it just more headcanon on your part and also feats>statements.

They list off the various Countries they were Deployed at the start of the Story. Three countries to be exact.

Jacqui had every advantage she could have against Kotal and he got back up with no real sign of injury or fatigue. Still don't get why you haven't acknowledged that tidbit.

Still lost though in a fight, no one to intervene, can't change that fact.

I ain't the one looking for ways to change facts, bro.

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Where was it stated that Kotal was weaker, now you are having a desperation attempt to make Kotal look better when he loses lol. Tried that excuse with Kung Jin, didn't work. Kung Jin has little feats and the one good feat he got was defeating Kotal which is a high showing for him and anti feat for Kotal, i already said this, guess you forgot.

It is Literally stated, word for word, that the Osh Tekks are weaker without Sunlight. It is in the Comics, Goro deliberately had Rain block the sun so he could fair better against Kotal's father. It is an established vulnerability for the OshTekks, why do you act like it ain't a thing?

Here you acting like I'm forgetting stuff

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All in all, it just feels like you have to discredit all of Kotal's better feats for Kung Lao to be victorious.

Some of his best feats aren't as impressive as you try to make them out to be and he has too many anti feats consider those few high ends consistent, doesn't make sense. Can't have someone who can do all these "great feats" but ignore all the anti feats, especially if he/she has too many of them. And he has way more anti-feats and inconsistences more than Kung Lao.

Kotal Kahn's best feats exceed what Kung Lao has shown to be capable of. His low end feats rely on the idea that characters with no real anti feats beating him makes him weaker, instead of bringing those characters higher up the spectrum which are how feats are supposed to work

Best feat destroying that ship but why does that matter when in the same story he loses to two Kombat Kids who have never destroyed a ship or cut off Goros arms. His Attack power can do that but can't beat two rookie Special Forces members. Kung Lao doesn't need to destroy a ship or cut Goros arms off then if those two can beat Kotal without much trouble. Kung Lao already defeated Kintaro though.

Wasn't the same story, it was the comics. Actually, Didn't Skarlet clap Jacqui's cheeks only to be beaten by Dvorah in the comic and Kotal in MK11?

Worth mentioning that Jacqui and Cassie were implied at the beginning to have already had a few Deployments and experience under their belt too, Alongside Takeda's journey with Scorpion. So they wouldn't be defined as rookies either

Jacqui had every advantage she could have against Kotal and he got back up with no real sign of injury or fatigue. Still don't get why you haven't acknowledged that tidbit.

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I meant she fully defeated him. She could of ended Shao Kahn. Shao Kahn could've ended Kotal if he wasn't interrupted.

Then say that. Kotal could fight Shao Kahn and could hold him off but loses 2/3 of the time.

Shao Kahn humilated him. But Again MK11 Shao Kahn isn't as impressive as the other versions.

Kotal won 1 of their three fights. Stop acting like it didn't happen, bro. And MK11 Shao Kahn has more wins than most of his preexisting counterparts, with the exception of Armaggedon.

I'm not acting like it didn't you are making up stuff now. MK11 isn't that impressive power wise. MK9 survived a hole in his chest, completely drain Shang Tsung of his life and powers. One shot Sonya and Johnny Cage, had Raiden outmatched until the Elder Gods intervine.

Kitana could beat Shao Kahn clean

Normally no she wouldn't be able to, he wasn't impressive in MK11 until aftermath came along where he got some redemption. He lost to Kitana but defeated Liu Kang.

MK11 Kitana is substantially stronger than her normal incarnations. And she bested him in a fair match

With what feats? What makes here stronger than other incarnations? Even if she was you realize she lost to Sheeva who had no victories or fights prior to Aftermath.

and Shao Kahn could beat Kung Lao clean

I never said otherwise.

Yet Kotal pulled a win against him.

Shao Kahn shrugged it off, barley even seemed phased. But Shao Kahn humilated him another two times and Kotal did a suprised attack on the 2nd encounter. This proves my point on how inconsistent Kotal is. Kotal can stand with Shao Kahn for a little but can be defeated by Kombat Kids and even Jade afterwards, see my point?

Shao Kahn was on the knees holding his side until Dvorah bailed him out

Actually, why is it that Shao Kahn did the Exact Same Thing Kotal did in his fight against Jacqui, yet they are still treated differently?

Also, there's more anti-feats for the Deadly Alliance than Jacqui, She bested Kabal's revenant, who drew blood from Raiden, She Bested Ermac, who could beat Jax (Who defeated Quan Chi) and Johnny Cage. She continued to rise her Ranks to the point that her only genuine defeats are against a literal Elder God and Revenant Liu Kang, who could give Raiden a decent fight in MKX.

Thinking more about it, Jacqui is actually a really strong character, And she fought a weaker Kotal, with him barely seeming affected by her win. While Kung Jin Fought Kotal at Full Power and put him in a worse condition than Jacqui did. Meaning that Kung Jin is also stroger than you gave credit for

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All in all, it just feels like you have to discredit all of Kotal's better feats for Kung Lao to be victorious.

Kotal Kahn's best feats exceed what Kung Lao has shown to be capable of. His low end feats rely on the idea that characters with no real anti feats beating him makes him weaker, instead of bringing those characters higher up the spectrum which are how feats are supposed to work

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I meant she fully defeated him. She could of ended Shao Kahn. Shao Kahn could've ended Kotal if he wasn't interrupted.

Then say that. Kotal could fight Shao Kahn and could hold him off but loses 2/3 of the time.

Shao Kahn humilated him. But Again MK11 Shao Kahn isn't as impressive as the other versions.

Kotal won 1 of their three fights. Stop acting like it didn't happen, bro. And MK11 Shao Kahn has more wins than most of his preexisting counterparts, with the exception of Armaggedon.

Kitana could beat Shao Kahn clean

Normally no she wouldn't be able to, he wasn't impressive in MK11 until aftermath came along where he got some redemption. He lost to Kitana but defeated Liu Kang.

MK11 Kitana is substantially stronger than her normal incarnations. And she bested him in a fair match

and Shao Kahn could beat Kung Lao clean

I never said otherwise.

Yet Kotal pulled a win against him.

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Getting pummled to the floor to two Kombat Kids? Humilated by Shao Kahn not once but twice? Majority of of Kotals fights beating fodder or people with zero feats such as King Gorbak? Rain?

Destroying ships, ripping off Goro's arms, Tanking a direct attack from Shinnok's Amulet. I'm talking feats, not fights

I focus more on the prior cause MK's Chapter system makes fights incredibly inconsistent. Causing fights that don't make a lot of sense for the sake of having that four fight requirement. Meaning that they are unreliable.

I'm fully aware of Mortal Kombats horrible inconsistency with power levels, this has been a thing for a while now. I only wish that they have a proper power scaler or someone who knows the full extent of these characters abilities.

Then why exclusively hold Kotal back on an outlier that exists because they needed filler fights?