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Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) 7 months, 24 days ago

Poll: Madara Uchiha vs Yhwach (151 votes)

Madara 42%
Yhwach 48%
Stalemate 10%

Madara Is in Six paths and Yhwach has his almighty

Chakra=Reiashu

Battle takes Place At the Battlefield

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Win By K.O or DEATH

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#101 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: that's never actually been proven outside of the storm games.

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#102 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@hoelantaicho: looking back he could change the future back then too, like removing ichibei's ink.

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#103 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: i thought he just absorbed it with his BVA but i thought it was just limitedback then to seeing any future

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#104 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: @hoelantaicho: I don’t see yhwach winning. Senjutsu And seal works on madara. Madara just uses limbo to attack him from behind just like Uryū did, and then seal him. Yhwach’s almighty has a limit. Madara can fly into space and look at the moon or just blow up the Planet

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#105 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: and the only thing that works on yhwach is the silver arrowhead. And Madara doesn't have any sealing jutsu. Uryu is literally the only exception to the almighty and even yhwach said so not directly but he said that there's something uryu has which can surpass him. Yhwachs almighty has no limit he can change and see the future no matter what the only time it was limited was pre SK and even if he does that yhwach can just open a portal and leave

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#106 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio
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#107 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: beat him probably not but Goku can't kill him either.he'd run into a zamasu situation he can beat him till he can't move but yhwach can't die without that arrowhead

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#108 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@hoelantaicho: If madara has six paths power then he does have Sealing Jutsus

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#111 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: Toneri wanted to destroy the planet and there is no doubt he can do that since he has the tenseigan and Madara is stronger than toneri, so madara should be able to planet bust

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#112 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: kakashi and Obito had 6paths chakra and they didn't have any sealing techniques. The sealing techniques came from the chakra they got DIRECTLY from hagoromo and the seals on their hands

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#113 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: having the tensaigain didn't mean he could destroy the planet? He was using a machine that was powered by the tensaigain to slowly move the moon in Earth's orbit and make it crash into earth... that is not planet busting

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#114 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolguy18: finished re reading it not too long ago, it's one of my favorites and i don't get into debates without researching characters thoroughly sooo...

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#115 Posted by COOLGUY18 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Where did you get this? fan calcs? powerscalling? lmao. pls show me some scans about madara destroying the planet.

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#116 Posted by COOLGUY18 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio
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#118 Posted by COOLGUY18 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@hoelantaicho: challenge a viner. One on one debate or what so ever.

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#119 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolguy18: Six path characters should be able to destroy a planet

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#120 Posted by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolguy18: OH! I thought you just brought up points and let everyone else debate though

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#121 Posted by COOLGUY18 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: but it wasn't shown in the manga that he can. Featwise no. hypewise? dunno.

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#123 Edited by HoelanTaicho (134 posts) - - Show Bio

@coolguy18: @gilateen: he could life wipe but actually destroy the planet i don't think so. He could drop CTs and bijuudamas a but whether or not that'd actually destroy the planet i don't think so

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#124 Edited by uchihaghost (940 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara kills ywhach, better stats in everyway, kubo messed up too much on ywhach's power. Dude could see the future but lost to yamamoto in the past?? And still lost again, he is not as invincible as bleach fans are making him out to be.

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#125 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio
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#127 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: That’s because Kishimoto couldn’t kill madara off

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#128 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: same with yhwach. They were both stupidly OP and got killed in dumb ways

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#129 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach picks a future where his hand has already pierced Madara's body or he's devoured him

Literally nothing Madara can do here, he's fighting an idiot who overwrites time lines to prevent his death.

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#130 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: that first sentence you just said didn’t make sense.

Yhwach picking a future and devours him?

Not how the almighty works

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#132 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Ok but Only senjutsu And taijutsu can work on madara.

Don’t see yhwach winning this and if they were to fight in space, yhwach would lose since bleach characters don’t have the feats to survive in space

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#133 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: except Yhwach picking said timeline where they aren't in space???

Or alternatively devouring him like he was doing to soul society.

Madara could only win against Bach if like Goku he had an attack that erased Bach from every timeline.

He does not.

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#134 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome what I get for trying to edit on mobile accidentally hit the damn delete post.

Anyway case and point.

Madara can't do anything here.

Yhwach was only put under KS due to his meeting Aizen before his fight with Ichibe and opening his "Eyes"

Quite literally clear cut while Both of these chars were defeated due to plot.

Yhwach required massive amounts of BS to get screwed over.

Almighty is already active here, Genjutsu will not help Madara.

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#135 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Infinite tsukuyomi will help him, the almighty won’t help yhwach from that, his almighty was activated during the final fight and he still couldn’t see KS coming

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#136 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Except it wasn't?

To clarify, Yhwach went and paid Aizen a visit and offered him to join him

Aizen declined.

During this time Yhwach who didn't have Almighty because his eyes had not opened was put in KS by Aizen.

Yhwach explicitly stated he lost sense of time while he was there.

This is while Yamato was fighting Royd Loyd who was pretending to be Yhwach.

Yhwach appears then oneshots Yama.

Before later going to the royal palace and facing off against Ichibe.

During THIS FIGHT.

Jugram remarks Yhwach has not opened his eyes.

As soon as he does he awakens to Almighty.

Infinite Tsukyomi he won't get off because Yhwach will already see that he was planning on trying it before remarking he sees everything.

Trolling Madara before telling him he's now blind or something and then Madara loses his eyes etc.

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#137 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: True but I Don’t see yhwach hurting madara cause of his immortality and regeneration

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#138 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Regeneration is the only thing he has going for him.

Madara stated Guy almost killed him so unless he is Edo he can die.

Yhwach could kill him by devouring him like he was doing to Soul society.

Alternatively his Blut field would rip Madara to pieces like it was doing to Ichibe.

Among whatever the heck else he might think of.

He could take Madara apart at his leisure.

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#139 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: I should also mention had Aizen tried KS release when Yhwach had Almighty rather when he didn't have it. It would not have worked.

The only reason KS worked was because he was already under it before awakening Almighty.

Which sees all futures but not past.

So he never saw KS.

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#140 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Yhwach couldn't break out of KS like he did to ichibei's ink because KS was specifically said to fk with his future sight powers: "Aizen: And then... / I was able to confirm that my Kyouka Suigetsu could alter even The Almighty’s vision of the future." Genjutsu can't fk with that.

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#141 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: Why are you telling me lol.

I already know it can't.

Only reason KS worked was because he was under it before he awakened Almighty.

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#142 Edited by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: I'm Saying KS can also alter future vision, not just the senses. So those saying genjutsu would beat yhwach is wrong since genjutsu can't affect his almighty like KS did. Yhwach was inked by ichibei before he got the almighty but he still beat it, couldn't beat KS due to reasons above.

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#143 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: which you're right Because it did mess with Almighty to the point he thought he was fighting Renji and Ichigo alongside Aizen.

Putting his present self in Genjutsu would do nothing to the fact he sees all possible futures and would be like nah.

Its just silly.

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#144 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: the senjutsu part is irrelevant outside the naruto verse since it doesn't exist

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#145 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchihaghost: so he has better stats in every way and yet zetsu punched a hole through his body and he couldn't move? That's some great stats he has

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#146 Edited by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: @codevein: So what?

If he can see everything before it happens, then Can he see everything goku can do before it happens cause everybody(except one) is saying goku can beat him.

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#147 Posted by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: Black Zetsu used Kamui the same way Obito did to penetrate Madara's body.

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#149 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1528 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: it never showed Kamui activated

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#150 Posted by Gilateen (3975 posts) - - Show Bio