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Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) 7 months, 21 days ago

Poll: Madara Uchiha vs Yhwach (143 votes)

Madara 41%
Yhwach 50%
Stalemate 9%

Madara Is in Six paths and Yhwach has his almighty

Chakra=Reiashu

Battle takes Place At the Battlefield

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Win By K.O or DEATH

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#151 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: ?? Did you read my post in your spite thread?

I said goku stomps

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#152 Posted by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

Illusions > Almighty. Madara wins

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#153 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: what? Illusions didn't stop aizen from getting stomped low diff lol

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#154 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: Yhwach couldn’t kill him cause of his immortality, so he can’t kill madara

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#155 Edited by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: Aizen doesn't have an infinite illusion like IT or izanami. Madara adds Yhwach to the God tree.

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#156 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: actually KS has proven to work longer than IT since the vizards haven't seen aizen for over 100 years and were still under it's spell

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#157 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: you couldn't be talking about the madara that said he was almost killed right? Because that means he can't be killed

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#158 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: @theemperor95: Six path characters should be able to planet bust and that’s all madara has to do

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#159 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: that’s because he didn’t absorb the divine tree that time and after that he did

What part don’t you get?

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#160 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: 6 paths character can NOT bust planets. They've never showed anything to that level not even close

Forgot about the divine tree part not like it matters much he gets absorbed

Actually yhwach can just punch him in the back and madara won't be able to move. If he didn't see Zetsu he won't see yhwach

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#161 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: No he can't beat Goku like at all.

Goku is physically superior to him in every way.

We learned that hax in DBZ\S gets overpowered if the person has a higher power Lvl.

At best Goku does a random attack then Yhwach comes back after dying this happens for abit till Goku would just Hakai him if we are using manga Goku.

Otherwise Goku just keeps killing him.

Yeah the almighty properly shows him how Goku is going to fodderize him on every timeline.

I recall DBZ Broly was thrown at him and Bleach and one of the comments went.

"He sees with almighty the inevitable destruction of his Galaxy"

He then starts trying to run away to no avail.

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#163 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: Zetsu never used Kamui he just rammed his hand into Madara's body.

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#164 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: KS was Infinite aslong as he didn't deactivate the effects or the person died.

Literally had shinji and his Vizards in it for Years.

Also no.

Genjutsu has no way in hell of effecting Yhwach in every timeline so he's no selling it.

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#165 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: if yhwach does that, madara will just transform into kaguya(who can stomp yhwach) and yes Six path characters should be able to Planet Bust.

Madara could of easily saw zetsu coming by sensing him or Seeing through one of his limbos But Kishimoto says NO

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#166 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Genjutsu will effect yhwach

He can’t handle basic illusion like KS

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#167 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: KS is explicitly not Basic in any means we are talking about absolute control of your perception and senses..

Also you lot are literally ignoring the only reason it worked was because it was put on him prior to him opening his eyes and awakening the almighty..

Which he has here by default and isn't just randomly having his eyes closed.

Also the complete fact that KS screws with Future vision pretty much solidify it as superior to any Genjutsu to date.

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#168 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Will transform into Kaguya

No.

That's not how he became Kaguya.

Zetsu acted as a Medium to which Kaguya was brought into the world..

Random stab through his chest by any one other than Zetsu is just going to harm or kill him.

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#169 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Tsukuyomi is stronger than KS.

Yhwach can’t handle multiple opponents So Limbo is more than enough

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#170 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio
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#171 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Yhwach can't handle multiple opponents at once.

So we're just gonna ignore the fact Aizen who was weaker than him was capable of fighting multiple people at once perfectly fine?

You have no proof at all that it's stronger than KS, No one in Naruto sees all timelines.

Jugram actually says Yhwach gains Omniscience and Omnipresence while he is talking to Ishida.

But that's Jugram's words not Yhwach's own.

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#172 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: Because the stab from Zetsu was so Kaguya could take over Madara.

And if you involved Kaguya in this Madara has already lost on default.

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#173 Edited by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: lmao be can't transform into Kaguya. She gets beat worse than madara because of her stupidity

Not a single 6 paths character has shown that ability aside from a statement about Kaguya but yhwach has statements about destroying 3

Yhwach could have just as easily seen the plot arrow but kubo said no

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#174 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Tsukuyomi can controls the 5 senses too and we all know that

Genjutsu can do everything KS does So what’s your point?

Tsukuyomi controls time and space in seconds.

KS can’t do that now can it?

KS can only control five sense and that’s what Genjutsu can do obviously

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#175 Edited by Bionar (975 posts) - - Show Bio

Yhwach's perception can be nerfed so he gets Tskuyomized instantly.. And after which can be obliterated in a dozen ways.

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#176 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: That right there is true.

He had inclinations of it but thought it was rubbish.

It literally took massive amounts of BS for Yhwach to be beaten.

And Aizen was pivotal for the downfall otherwise Ichigo would have been long dead.

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#177 Edited by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: KS was stated and shown to affect future vision, not just senses. Genjutsu can't do that hence it won't work.

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#178 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar: Exactly, Plus Six Path characters should be able to Planet Bust

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#179 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@bionar: Yhwach's perception can be nerfed.

When something is put on him prior to him awakening Almighty.

Which was the case.

Just because It was working against his almighty doesn't mean that if he wasn't put in and Aizen was thinking about putting him in it if he had Almighty already active he would have seen it from a mile away.

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#180 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: KS is Basic Genjutsu

And Genjutsu can do it too so yes

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#181 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: you are just speaking nonsense now, post the scans of genutsu altering future vision.

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#182 Edited by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: yeah, but then Aizen turned KS off when he thought Yhwach was killed by Ichigo. Unfortunately for Yhwach, Madara isn't turning off IT.

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#183 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: Think what you will and don’t give me orders.

We all Know Genjutsu does everything KS does so use your head and think

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#184 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: KS can mess with your sense of time.

Which is a direct indicator that it effects the time and space of the target seeing how he had everyone thinking they were in different places back in the fake katakura town arc and they all were trying to kill each other.

At best Izanagi is the best Genjutsu we have ever seen and it still would do jack and shit to Yhwach.

Who again sees all futures.

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#185 Edited by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Izanagi is not better than Izanami, Koto and IT.

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#186 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: except it doesn't because:

1. A person has to be hit with genjutsu for every encounter. KS only has to hit you once and your under it for every encounter

2. KS manipulates the ability to see the future and genjutsu doesn't

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#187 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: Aizen didn't turn off KS.

Yhwach broke KS the effects were still active.

Yhwach then gets killed by Ichigo rewrites his death comes back slaps Aizen and remarks the effects of KS has ended.

Nah shit he just died and since he was dead it had ended.

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#188 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: I go by what's stated and shown in the manga unlike you who make up fanfics lol, not gonna waste my time on you anymore

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#189 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: finally someone gets what I'm saying, genjutsu has no feats of altering future vision, but some think KS is just basic genjutsu

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#190 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: Considering it rewrites damage and can be done by Madara I would say it is.

Because only Itachi has Izanami.

Which still has no feats of effecting someone with future vision.

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#191 Edited by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Yhwach didn't break KS

Bleach 684 page 6.

Yhwach never claimed he broke it but rather asking Aizen whether he's pride made him switch it off or whether it has reached its limit. For Yhwach to be asking these questions means he did n't counter it. I mean he (Yhwach) should consciously know if he overcame it.

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#192 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Uryū proved he can’t see everything so Madara can beat Him.

KS Does not Control time and space, It only causes you to Hallucinate And controls 5 senses

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#193 Edited by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: Uhhh no.

Yhwach tells Aizen that KS was already broken

It then breaks. Later as he dies and resurrects he mentions the line you're talking about when it comes to KS not Aizen.

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#194 Posted by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalebmcshaw: good leave, go and read fanfics like you always do.

Madara stomps

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#195 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: > Effects future vision.

>Yhwach said that he lost his perception of time while he went and met Aizen.

What even???

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#196 Edited by Gilateen (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: It only takes eye contact, a glance, or by just pointing at your opponent to get them under Genjutsu.

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#197 Posted by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

@codevein: Well, I'll leave the best genjutsu in Naruto as a personal choice. But know this, Obito knew of Izanagi yet he called IT the greatest jutsu. That should suggest something.

IT will affect Yhwach even better than KS.

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#198 Posted by CodeVein (1355 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc: That's you implying Madara even can pull that off when Yhwach literally just shifts timelines to the outcome he wants which means it won't ever happen...

Also IT required the moon to be put and in view.

Still has no feats of it effecting anything on the Almighty's lvl.

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#200 Posted by KalebMcShaw (102 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilateen: good thing the majority here have some common sense, looking at the poll.