Cobbling together a quick capability thread because I made a Manhunter gauntlet and no one seemed to have read any Kate Spencer stuff.
Without further ado.....
Manhunter #1: On her very first mission as Manhunter, Kate tracks down and kills Copperhead (who has more or less Killer Croc-level stats).
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Manhunter #3: Fight with Shadow Thief and a display of light projection and durability.
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Manhunter #6: Turns Shrapnel into scrap metal; insulation against electricity.
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Manhunter #8: Defeats Cheshire, although she gets poisoned too.
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Manhunter #9: Psy-shields in the costume block telepathy.
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Manhunter #13: Fight with Mark Shaw (his Dumas personality); takes an energy attack from an OMAC with no significant damage.
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Manhunter #14: Fights an OMAC; another display of durability where she falls off a tower to a car below and just gets up like nothing happened.
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Manhunter #16: Her staff's power blasts cannot be used against her.
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Manhunter #16: Portable teleportation device similar to the Authority's doors.
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Manhunter #18-19: Wearing her mask causes telepathy to backfire.
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Manhunter #19: Midnighter would be proud.
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Manhunter #20: She can remote-electrocute anyone who steals her power staff.
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Manhunter #24: Knocking back several people with an energy wall; a blade that can depower telepaths.
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Manhunter #26: Sparring match with Wonder Woman. Her staff's full power blast is capable of knocking Diana back quite a distance and through a couple of trees, and she reacts to and blocks a tiara toss.
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Manhunter #31: Beats the crap out of Atomic Skull.
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Manhunter #34: Fights the Suicide Squad. Kills some Multiplex dupes before getting stopped in her tracks by Count Vertigo; uses a flashbang on her power staff to escape.
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Manhunter #35: Kills a metahuman with some bastardization of Doomsday's DNA.
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Batman: Streets of Gotham #7: Beats up Two-Face (this is after his training under Batman).
Just my opinion subject to all sorts of change as events play out, but if there was every any doubt over who's going to win the war between the Avengers and the X-Men, Avengers vs X-Men #6 kind of gives it away.
This is a fairly common trope in comic books: godlike messianic figures use their power to make the world fine and dandy for everyone.........
........until one of two things happens:
They decide that they can do more, regardless of commonly accepted limits on what should and should not be done, believing themselves to be both above such limits and responsible for raising the unwashed masses to a higher state whether they like it or not; OR
It is revealed that their gifts to mankind were merely a ruse to win the trust of aforementioned unwashed masses (I like that phrase, sue me) so as to lower the guard of their beneficiaries in order to accomplish more nefarious goals.
It seems to me that the Phoenix Five fall under the former category, but regardless of which category they fall under, such a trope only has one possible ending: the messianic figures are outed as villains or transition slowly but surely into villainy, and then the Real Genuine Honest to Goodness Heroes take them down.
This is how AvX will end. "Bullsh!t", I hear you exclaim. Fine, look at past examples of this trope:
The Hyperclan
The Hyperclan made their first appearances in the earliest issues of the third volume of JLA. They initially introduced themselves as peaceful wanderers of the universe who wanted nothing more than to make their new home a better place for all:
Sound familiar?
They did all sorts of wonderful things like making the Sahara desert fertile for crops, cutting down the metahuman crime rate by over 60%, etc etc. Everyone loved them, Protex was even voted "Sexiest Man in the Universe" by the Sunday Planet. Everything seemed fine but appearances deceived; it was revealed that they Hyperclan were less peaceful spacemen and more murderous White Martians intent on conquering the Earth after subduing the population via mind-control.
The JLA then got up and kicked their butts off the planet. So:
Godlike messianic figures: Check
Work miracles: Check
Exposed as villains/slowly become villains: Check
Defeated by heroes: Check
Trope fulfilled.
John Clay and the Transcendence Movement
Here's one from the pages of The Authority. John Clay was a preacher who rose to prominence by playing on public distrust of superheroes with no accountability for their actions. In his own words, he was on a "quest to elevate the human consciousness". At its peak, the Church of Transcendence numbered over 70% of the world's population, and engaged in a number of admirable goals including world peace and whatever else it is that is admirable, I suppose.
.......until, of course, it was revealed that the real reason so many people joined his church wasn't so much that they liked his message or his beliefs, it was because he could spread a psychic virus that brought people under his control upon skin contact. Clay was a megalomaniac, not an altruist.
The Authority, being the Real Genuine Honest to Goodness Heroes of this particular story, opposed Clay, and he was kicking their asses in the Big Final Clash of Good vs Evil. Until the Doctor got involved and then.........let's just say things didn't end well for him.
Checklist!
Godlike messianic figure: Check
Works miracles: Check
Exposed as villain/slowly becomes villain:Check
Defeated by heroes: Check
Trope fulfilled.
King Thor
After Odin's death in the war against Surtur, the throne of Asgard passed down to Thor, and the Odin Force came with it. So you have a messianic figure who is an actual god right there, and he began performing various miracles like bringing Asgardian magic and medicine to Midgard, dethroning tyrants and despots across the globe, and so on. He even had his own legion of human followers, the Thorists.
Thor for his part saw nothing wrong with his work.
The social, economical, political and even theological implications of the things Thor was doing made a lot of people nervous, even his fellow gods. More importantly, it made the governments of the world nervous, and they hatched a plan to kill Thor and get rid of Asgard. Thor didn't take kindly to it.
Both New York and Asgard were destroyed and the alternate future of The Reigning began. In this future, Thor ruled over the Earth with an iron fist, having killed the Avengers 16 years prior and shut down all opposition to his rule.
Checklist!
Godlike messianic figure: Check
Works miracles: Check
Exposed as villain/slowly becomes villain: Check
Defeated by heroes: Urrm, this example deviates from the pattern a bit. Thor wasn't defeated by any heroes. After the final battle with Desak, he realized the mistakes he had made and went back in time to stop his past self from committing those mistakes, thus averting the Reigning future.
So.....Check, kinda?
Trope fulfilled.
Godlike messianic figures are almost never the heroes in comics. The Phoenix Five will slowly transition into villainy (there are signs of it already) and then the Avengers will take them down with Grit and Righteousness and maybe some big-ass guns. This is how AvX will end.
I think these showings have been culled from a collection of around 90% of all Zealot's appearances, so they should be fairly comprehensive. ComicVine informs me that there is a three issue series from the 90's called Zealot, which I never even knew about. So I've made a capability thread about a character without ever having read that character's eponymous series. Such is life.
I made this thread after a user on the Battle Forums told me that Zealot would curbstomp Batman no matter how much prep he had, because apparently she's beaten Majestic. Seriously? Majestic? People think Zealot can beat Majestic?
That aside, here are her some of her best feats compiled in one blog post. Feel free to tell me if I've missed something or add it yourself if you have it.
WildC.A.T.S v1 #2: Friendly match with Warblade and Maul, where she outreacts Reno and kicks Maul in the gut hard enough for him to feel it. At that size, he's about a 40-50 tonner. She then punches one of the Black Razors hard enough for him to feel it on the same page where another Black Razor showed they were strong enough to hurt Maul in that form.
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WildC.A.T.S v1 #8: Beats up some random guys in a bar fight.
WildC.A.T.S v1 #12: Uses magic to revert Slag back to his human form.
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WildC.A.T.S v1 #13: People who insist Zealot will slaughter everyone via uber deadly bolts of magic should pay attention here. Voodoo conducts psychic surgery on Zealot's soul to disable her magic. She does not have it anymore.
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WildC.A.T.S v1 #36: Knocks Majestic back into a wall hard enough for him to put a sizable dent in the wall.
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I am not entirely sure how she accomplished this. Might be PIS, might be Deathstroke-kicking-down-Legacy-in-Deathstroke #5. Anyways.
Backlash #31: A short fight with Backlash, one of the very best H2H fighters in Wildstorm. He remarks that he hasn't had a workout like this in a while, which can partly be attributed to him having avoided costumed heroics for a portion of his series, but given his caliber of skill it says something that he wants to see who's the better fighter between him and Zannah.
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Wildcore #3: Another fight with Backlash. Marc gets the better of Zealot in H2H combat, she returns the favor in a sword fight. Which is how it should be.
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WildC.A.T.S/Aliens: Zealot killing some xenomorphs from the Alien movies. This crossover is canon for Wildstorm, it takes place in between Stormwatch #10 and #11.
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WildC.A.T.S v2 #5: Slaughters something like two dozen members of the Coda sisterhood, who are usually all highly trained assassins (the Coda culture revolves around the glorification of combat), quite a few trained by Zannah herself.
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WildC.A.T.S v2 #23: Defeats Grifter while not....really....trying....all that much.
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Wildstorm Summer Special 2001: Tosses an apple into the air, and then takes down some thugs in the time it takes for the apple to make its descent and then catches it. That's what, 3 or 4 seconds? How long does an apple take to fall?
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WildC.A.T.S v3 #13: Fights another pair of Coda assassins. Before she reaches them, she takes a bullet to the arm and leg. Doesn't slow her down or indeed bother her at all, and she still manages to kill them with style.
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Captain Atom: Armageddon #4: Zealot vs Captain Atom. Her kusar blade blocks one of his energy blasts. Note her comments about its capabilities. She manages to knock Atom off his feet somehow, and then gets KO'd by an exploding gas main.
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Majestic #7: Another example of how sharp kusar blades are; they can pierce Majestic's skin.
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Majestic #11: Zealot and Majestic vs Helspont. The same blow that knocks Majestic away is blocked by Zealot's blade; she dodges a punch from him and seemingly cuts his armor (or maybe just made a clanging noise) after Majestros softened him up a bit.
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Majestic #14: Carves up a few members of the Shapers' Guild, who are all basically Warblade-lite:
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WildC.A.T.S: Nemesis #3: Zealot vs Nemesis (another Coda warrior who can predict attacks and movements by sensing emotions around her, she's kind of a Mr. X/Cassandra Cain mix) in unarmed combat. It is roughly even more or less until Charis taunts Zealot about Savant's parentage; an angry Zannah starts to throttle Nemesis until Daemonites attack the stadium.
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DC/Wildstorm: Dreamwar #3: This was a 2008 crossover between DC and Wildstorm, which is canon for the WSU. Zealot fights Batman, and the only reason Bruce even lasts that long is jobbing on Zealot's part (this crossover was filled with horrible writing, like Batman using knockout gas on Spartan and Grifter gunning down Dr. Fate). Still, she guts and beheads him.
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Wildstorm Revelations #5: Another fight between Zealot and Nemesis. It's pretty short and even.
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WildC.A.T.S v5 #16: While we're on the subject of capabilities, this is how a serious fight between Zealot and Majestic would go:
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He'd slap her weapon aside and punch her head clean off. That's about it. I don't know where people got this idea that she can take down Majestic. She's good, but she's not that good.
WildC.A.T.S.v5 #25: Zealot vs Midnighter!
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I don't really approve of using this showing to show off Zealot's prowess, mainly because in my opinion it's her best feat (or close to it) ever, so it may be too high-end a showing to serve as a definitive example of how good Zealot is on average. Anyway, she fights Midnighter H2H for 4 hours non-stop, and then they switch to fighting with weapons, where Midnighter is at a disadvantage because all he's got to counter a kusar blade is a staff. Zealot gets into his head a bit by taunting him about not being able to save his daughter, and then they're both trying to throttle each other until Maul intervenes. I just call this one a draw. Honestly though, Midnighter should have done better.
As far as F4 villains go, Doom gets too much love while Annihilus gets too little. It's true that he's currently just an oversized cockroach living in Spider-Man's apartment, but in his glory days.....
Fantastic Four Annual #6: The debut of Annihilus, ruler of the Negative Zone! Huzzah!
Note the emphasis on "more". Triumph is not new to Annihilus.
His very first comic book feat ever: Knocking down Reed Richards.
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This appearance was actually a bit underwhelming, Moving on.
Fantastic Four #109: WITHOUT the Cosmic Control Rod, he stops Reed in his tracks, one-shots Johnny and his force-field tanks Ben throwing rocks at him.
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Still without the CCR, he casually tanks Johnny's attacks. He then teleports away and returns in a heartbeat, bringing the CCR with him this time, and uses it to summon a Negative Zone creature to attack Ben and Johnny.
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Fantastic Four #140: Owns Ben, Johnny, Reed and Medusa in moments.
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Fantastic Four #141: Temporarily depowers Reed, and then owns Ben and Johnny.
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Fantastic Four #289: Releases a blast of energy that KO's Sue, Johnny and She-Hulk.
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Avengers #89: Quicksilver attempts to blitz Annihilus but merely bounces off his armor upon contact, Scarlet Witch's hex powers don't work on him (apparently he's "too inhuman" for it) and Vision admits that in terms of sheer power they are outmatched. They then defeat Annihilus by BFR'ing him back to the Negative Zone.
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Avengers #233-234: Prep feat, he creates a null field barrier that Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel and Thor could not penetrate. Vision phased through it but collapsed right afterwards.
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Fantastic Four: Foes #2: Without the Cosmic Control Rod, he slaps around Ben and Johnny before losing to Sue and a prepped Reed.
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Annihilation: Nova #4: Slaps away Nova Prime. Drains Quasar's quantum energy, kills him, and takes the Quantum Bands for himself. The Worldmind tells Rider that while in possession of the Cosmic Control Rod and the Quantum Bands, Annihilus' power outclasses the Nova Force on every level.
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Annihilation #6: With the CCR + QB combo, Annihilus survives an attack from Galactus that wiped out three solar systems.
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Annihilation #6: Weakened from the strain of surviving Galactus' attack, Annihilus fights Nova Prime again and overpowers him until Phyla takes the Quantum Bands away, allowing Nova to kill him and then pass out immediately afterwards.
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Fantastic Four #600: Crowning moment of badassery; Reed threatens to destroy Annihilus and the entire Negative Zone with the Ultimate Nullifier, Annihilus tells him to bring it on.
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Fantastic Four #600: Tanks Johnny's nova and kills him (again).
Just keeping a list of characters and series that I've been meaning to read up on for a while now but keep forgetting to do so even though I've collected some of them already.
This is probably Marvel's most frequent match-up. It takes place more often than any other fight you can think of, except maybe the obvious rivalries like Wolverine vs Sabretooth or something like that. That said, there is a ton of misinformation circulated by both sides of the debate. I recently collected almost every single canon fight between the two to get a concrete grasp of what actually goes down in these bouts, and the picture that was painted for me differed greatly from the nonsense that pervades most battle forum threads on the topic.
People are going to go back and forth between "THOR WILL GODBLAST HULK!!1!" and "NO HULK WILL TEAR OFF HIS HEAD BEFORE THAT HAPPENS!!1!", both of which are incorrect, judging not from their overall feats, but from the assortment of fights the two have had against each other alone. I'm making this for two main reasons:
Primarily because I've seen several misconceptions about their fights going around, and when I address the users who do so, they go "Ah ok" and then move on to the next thread where they simply repeat the same incorrect points like nothing happened. I'm tired of continually repeating myself, so I'm going to put everything down here as a reference.
I'm going to make another blog post about Hulk and how he's supposedly "underrated" on CV, and I'd like to put all the Hulk vs Thor scans on this thread so that I don't have to look for them when I get around to making the other blog.
Note that I'm not doing this because I dislike either or both characters. It's true that I can't stand Hulk and could care less about Thor, but that's not why this blog is being made.
Without further ado,
Avengers #3
This is their first fight on panel. They actually have two skirmishes in this issue.
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Hulk ties up Thor with some steel cable, but Thor was holding back according to Pym. They have a later encounter where Hulk has Namor's help, and they overpower Thor for a while until he uses Mjolnir to get Hulk away from him so that he only has Namor to worry about. The fight ends when Hulk unexpectedly reverts to Banner.
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Journey Into Mystery #112
This is a retelling of the fight in Avengers #3, exploring events that supposedly took place off-panel in the original fight.
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After that you have the Thor vs Hulk and Namor fight, you know how that goes.
Sub-Mariner #35
Hulk hits Thor hard enough to make him drop Mjolnir, and might actually have won if he'd pressed his advantage and kept Thor away for 60 seconds. A clarion goes off and distracts him, so Thor seizes the opportunity to reclaim his hammer.
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Defenders #10
They're portrayed as evenly matched in strength here.
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The Incredible Hulk #255
This is a bit similar to Sub-Mariner #35, after Thor gets distracted by a collapsing tunnel Hulk punches him away from Mjolnir, and 60 seconds runs out while Thor is saving the people under the tunnel.
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The Incredible Hulk #300
Thor fights Mindless Hulk, and it's still pretty even with both giving as good as they get until Strange stops the fight and opens a portal to send Hulk away.
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The Mighty Thor #385
This is where it starts to get interesting. Up until this point, the two had been portrayed as equals, at least physically. It starts to change a bit from here on out. Thor and Hulk clash and while no one gets KO'd or gives in or anything, Thor is portrayed as possessing a clear edge over Hulk, who complains that Thor is only powerful because of Mjolnir, and that without his hammer Thor ain't all that.
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In a somewhat uncharacteristic move, Hulk picks up a woman and threatens to kill her if Thor doesn't get rid of Mjolnir.
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From there on, the advantage shifts to Hulk. At the end of the fight, it's Thor who seems worse for wear.
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I'm not a believer in letting the events of a single issue serve as the definitive standard for how all fights between two characters should go, but if I were, the message I'd be getting from this particular fight is:
Thor w/Mjolnir > Hulk
Thor w/o Mjolnir < Hulk
Just to be clear, I don't necessarily agree with that. It's just what this issue seems to imply.
The Mighty Thor #489
Not a great representation of the real nature of their bouts since both were holding back. Thor had the advantage before the fight was broken up by Hela.
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The Incredible Hulk #440
This fight should serve as a direct rebuttal to the commonly held idea that Thor only struggles against Hulk because he's always holding back at all points of time. Hulk snaps and starts to become his older Maestro version, while Thor enters his Warrior's Madness state (and I really doubt he was holding back while in a "berserker fury"). It's still fairly even, and the fight ends when the government fires a nuke at the battlefield, prompting Hulk to punch Thor away to save his life (and no, I have no idea why he thought a nuke would kill Thor......).
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The Incredible Hulk Annual 2001
This is, in my opinion, the first and only legitimate and unquestionable win that either one has over the other, and it goes to Thor. Though at the end of the fight the two are separated and probably still capable of going a few rounds, Thor does KO Hulk with a lightning bolt earlier on.
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Fear Itself #5
Their most recent fight. Hulk was possessed by an Asgardian god called Nul, so he was probably amped (I don't know to what extent since I never read the Hulk vs Dracula fight). Thor fights Nul and Angrir (a possessed Ben Grimm). After taking a beating at first, he throws Mjolnir through Angrir and then attacks Nul. Fight ends when Thor BFR's Nul into space (there is some disagreement on whether Nul was KO'd or not......the Thor camp says that he was since his text bubble was blank, but it's more likely because there's no sound in space?).
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Edit: Brevoort confirmed that Hulk was amped in this fight and still could not beat Thor because the latter was too powerful.
Those are all the clear cut fights between the two. Then there are fights of questionable validity.
The Mighty Thor #73
This takes place during the unrealized future (unrealized because Thor made sure it wouldn't happen later on) of The Reigning arc. In the year 2020, Thor fights Hulk and Thing at the same time without Mjolnir or the Odin Force and with only one arm......and wins.
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I usually disregard this incident because:
The issue came out in 2004 while the fight took place in 2020, that's 16 years that have passed if we assume Marvel follows real world time (sometimes they do, for example I read a Marvel comic recently that said the year was 2012 in-world, but sometimes they don't). We don't know if Thor got stronger or had any upgrades to his powers during that time, nor do we know whether his opponents were at their regular level of strength or not.
Thor easily handling Hulk based on pure strength alone contradicts every single one of their prior showings. I'm not saying Thor wouldn't or shouldn't win, but history says he doesn't have an easy time of it even while applying his strength to its fullest.
On the very next page Captain America kicks and punches Thor, and even manages to down him. That does not make any sense. If Thor was still strong enough to beat up Hulk and Thing, then Cap's bones should have shattered upon contact. Go figure.
The whole hero-goes-bad-and-takes-over-his-planet-in-a-dystopian-future thing is a tired trope that resurfaces over and over again in comic books. Victor Mancha did it in an issue of The Runaways, Beast did it in Here Comes Tomorrow, Midnighter sort of did it in The Authority: Revolution, Superman and Batman did it in Absolute Power, Wonder Woman and Aquaman were squabbling over who gets more of the Earth in Flashpoint, hell even Hulk did it in Future Imperfect. It's just plot at work.
Hulk: Let The Battle Begin
See point one of the Reigning example, we simply don't know when this took place and what versions of each character were involved (and it's a pretty embarrassing loss for Thor, to boot).
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Thor: Hammer & Sinew
See point one of the Reigning example, we simply don't know when this took place and what versions of each character were involved.
So now that we've covered what's actually happened, let's look at what should actually happen:
On paper, Thor should win every single time. Hulk is limited to punching things, with the original thunderclap/object toss thrown in for good measure. Thor can do far more, but part of the reason why he struggles with Hulk is that he rarely uses those abilities anywhere. He has a veritable armada of powers that only find use in a few issues before disappearing forever. If he uses those powers, he would win beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hell, he wouldn't even need to use those powers, all he needs is his speed. But Thor is notorious for slacking off when it comes to operational speed, more so than any other character in his weight class. If he fights Hulk on strength alone, there is a very real chance that he could lose.
Based on their fights so far, I would put the Thor vs Hulk tally at 1-0, because the only decisive and unquestionable victory that either have over the other is from The Incredible Hulk Annual 2001, where Thor KO's Hulk with a lightning bolt. That is an undeniable win for Thor. There are posters who are convinced Thor has a 7-1 score against Hulk, which is just nonsense. They usually arrive at these figures by a) ignoring context and circumstances or b) by claiming that incidents such as when Thor buried Hulk under some rubble in Journey Into Mystery #112 and The Mighty Thor #489 and when Hulk reciprocated in the Incredible Hulk Annual 2001 should count as victories even though both dug themselves out and were willing to continue the fight. Just to be clear, those are not in any way wins. They're temporary advantages at best. You could also say Thor BFR'ing Nul in Fear Itself #5 counts as a win, but BFR's are an artificial concept that we use on the battle forums. They don't have any place in the comics themselves, so I haven't counted them.
Can't think of anything else to say. Eh.
UPDATE : Hulk Smash Avengers #1
This just released, a fight between Hulk and the Avengers, including Thor. I included the first page where it says the fight takes place between Avengers v1 #7 and #14, which would mean Marvel recognizes it as an untold canon story. The Avengers try to restrain Hulk but he gets the better of them and leaves; however the Avengers were holding back at the time.
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Update: Avengers Assemble #4
Thanos uses his telepathy to take control of Hulk's mind and make him fight the Avengers.
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Hulk grabs Thor's hand and whacks him in the face with Mjolnir. He's down for pretty much the rest of the fight (might have been KO'd or just struck down) and then pulls himself back on his feet near the end.
Spoilers if you haven't read Justice League #8 yet. Away with thee.
I was wondering to what extent Martian Manhunter's history with the Justice League had been altered from the moment I saw him on the cover of Stormwatch #1, and there were a couple of panels from that series that indicated that he was at some point a member, but in an unknown capacity.
First in Stormwatch #1, where Apollo identifies J'onn as "the Martian Manhunter from the Justice League", indicating what his official/public image is:
And then in Stormwatch #6, where J'onn tells Apollo that despite what the public may believe, he's never actually been part of the Justice League:
This is contradicted by the events of Justice League #8, where Batman says that the reason the League doesn't take in new people is because they tried it once by letting J'onn join, until he seemingly betrayed them in some fashion and left:
Currently my wallpaper. It's just that darn cool to look at.
Not sure where this plot point is going, but I think I like it. If you told me a week ago that Martian Manhunter was on......less than friendly terms with the JLA, I'd have said "Hell to the no". But I'm not so sure right now. I remember a story where J'onn laid the smacketh down on some bad guy, and went "I believe in peace. I am capable of war." That was a pretty good summary of his essential personality, I think.
But this version of J'onn seems to be more inclined to violence. I'm not saying he's like Orion or anything that extreme, but he seems to be more of a warrior rather than a peacemaker. I don't think this is killing the character, it's just a change that seems like it might actually go somewhere, unlike a lot of the changes wrought by Flashpoint. The motivations for his betrayal, whatever it was, are still unknown, and the last page of the book suggests that unbeknownst to the League, he actually keeps an eye out for them, indicating that there probably wasn't malicious intent or anything of the sort. I like the DCnU version of J'onn on his own about as much as I liked him before the reboot. It helps that he's got some kind of rapport with Jenny Quantum, one of my favorite Wildstorm characters.
As for the rest of the issue:
1) I found it really peculiar that Green Arrow would run around stalking the League and basically begging them to let him join, especially given his pre-Flashpoint disdain for authority figures (or caped fascists, as he would have put it). This desperation was sort of explained at the end of the book, but it just seems......weird. Let's see.
2) Team 7! They still exist! And by the looks of it, Steve Trevor asked Green Arrow to join up. Deathblow and Grifter are already running around, maybe they'll join up too. And maybe Lynch will show up, and then eventually........Tao? Maybe I'm getting a little ahead of myself here.
3) Wonder Woman finally decided to fly instead of having Green Lantern carry her everywhere. Yay.
4) UberDouche!Hal actually said something that was kinda funny.
There was a piece of dialogue in Superman #7 that caught my eye:
Noted two things: Helspont knows the Guardians enough to dislike them, suggesting that Daemonites have had run-ins with Lanterns in the past. And the part about "twin worlds, the dark and the light in perpetual conflict" is an obvious reference to Apokolips and New Genesis, suggesting that there might be some Darkseid/Helspont action somewhere down the line?
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