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@primebonnick: What don't you like exactly? The thread or the story?

Personally, the story is very nice in my opinion, though the fact that a bi-weekly comic has two alternating arcs each issue is bothersome. It takes 1 month just to get to the second part of each story.

Anyways, about the latest chapter

Batman: Rebirth & Detective Comics: Rebirth

Batman: Rebirth

No one has ever stopped the Caped Crusader. Not The Joker. Not Two-Face. Not even the entire Justice League. But how does Batman confront a new hero who wants to save the city from the Dark Knight? We begin to find out more of just what makes the Dark Knight the man he is.

Detective Comics Rebirth

Throughout his years, Batman has learned to prepare for every situation. Seeing that something is coming that he can't face alone, The Dark Knight approaches his cousin Kate Kane, the Batwoman, and has her lead a group to begin facing these challenges. Together, they recruit Batman's protege Red Robin (Tim Drake), The Spoiler (Stephanie Brown), Orphan (Cassandra Cain), and hero-in-training/ex-villain Clayface (Basil Hawkins) to form a team to protect Gotham... and whatever else Batman is preparing for.

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Both the Batman & Detective Comics Rebirth comic lines are part of the DC Rebirth Initiative. DC Rebirth is a massive DC Universe initiative published in 2016. The event follows the ending of The New 52, a publishing era that rebooted DC continuity in 2011 after the Flashpoint crossover. Its name is taken from the earlier series' Green Lantern: Rebirth and The Flash: Rebirth, both written by Geoff Johns and focusing on returning their characters to an earlier status quo while updating the premises for new audiences. The initiative is intended to synchronize and harmonize the Post-Flashpoint continuity and the Post-Crisis continuity.

An interesting detail about the Detective Comics and Action Comics volumes is that the issue numbers return to their standpoint just before The New 52, as opposed to all other comics lines beginning their runs back at Issue #1.

The purpose of this thread is to prevent clutter and allow all material regarding the current Batman and Detective Comics Rebirth comic run to be discussed in a single thread. As of this thread's creation, the Batman Rebirth line has reached it's 21st issue under the writing of Tom King. Detective Comics Rebirth has reached it's 955th issue under the writing of James Tynion IV.

Wonder Woman: Rebirth

"I think I am the God of War. Yet I think that cannot be true. War... the first casualty of war... is TRUTH."

— Wonder Woman

Wonder Woman: Rebirth

Wonder Woman finds her memories (which she calls her "story") keeps changing. She returns to her apartment and tests one of her memories by trying to crush the Helmet of War, which she should not be able to do... but she does so easily. She then uses her lasso to probe deeper and finds out she has been deceived. Changing her costume, Wonder Woman goes to Olympus and concludes that she's been living a lie and vows to find the truth.

Diana will struggle to find the truth, the lies, and coping with the answers.

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The Wonder Woman Rebirth comic line is part of the DC Rebirth Initiative. DC Rebirth is a massive DC Universe initiative published in 2016. The event follows the ending of The New 52, a publishing era that rebooted DC continuity in 2011 after the Flashpoint crossover. Its name is taken from the earlier series' Green Lantern: Rebirth and The Flash: Rebirth, both written by Geoff Johns and focusing on returning their characters to an earlier status quo while updating the premises for new audiences. The initiative is intended to synchronize and harmonize the Post-Flashpoint continuity and the Post-Crisis continuity.

The purpose of this thread is to prevent clutter and allow all material regarding the current Wonder Woman comic run to be discussed in a single thread. As of this thread's creation, the Wonder Woman Rebirth line has reached it's 21st issue under the writing of Greg Rucka. He will be departing from writing by the 25th issue, by which time Wonder Woman's complete and true origin and history should be revealed.

@tensor: During the New 52, Oracle was there for H'el on Earth story and the part where Supergirl, Superman, and Superboy go to Krypton. But he was also there during the Convergence event, where Superboy was not present, but Superman and Supergirl were.

This could mean that only Oracle's brief time during the New 52 around Convergence may have happened. That would mean Superboy still doesn't exist. Personally, I'd be okay with this because I didn't like New 52 Superboy... His whole existence was convoluted. I really do hope they bring him back though

@costy21: It's not exactly like that. The New 52 had pieces of it merged with his whole timeline. That's why you see him in his New 52 suit and fighting Ulysses.

The simplest way to think about it is that The New 52 events occurred right after the Post-Crisis events as if there was no reboot at all and it was just a continuous timeline. Of course there would be slight changes, but for the most part, his New 52 life still happened.

@z3ro180: I'm with ya buddy, it does seem a little disheartening that we can't see Slice of Life stories with Jon spending time with his grandparents

Also, the lack of Connor Kent troubles me so... It's fine if they want to remove New 52 Connor (that was just a convoluted mess), but at least bring back 2000's Connor ;_;

I love how he's worn every costume including New 52 as just part of his routine.

@knight101: None at all, we good bro :)

*virtual fist bump*

@knight101: The reason we're discussing that is more so to argue whether or not removing the SM/WW relationship was even a good idea. You're saying it like we didn't accept that the relationship was removed.

We get that it doesn't matter since DC is going to go whatever direction they wish to. But if we just agreed to everything without voicing our opinions, then there it would be pointless to discuss anything DC does.

Like when DC launched the New 52, doing away with nearly everyone's histories. Even though it didn't matter since they did away with years of history, it's still understandable for people to talk about the company's actions.

Sorry for going all like this on you, but "let's move on" just seems like a, for lack of better word, stupid remark to use on a website that is meant to discuss comics, which the can also be argued don't matter at all either

I agree with the bold so much. Like I said before, happy with the results, not the execution.

But about Diana's state of mind. Despite being deceived, wasn't the only thing that was deceiving her were about the things that occurred in Themyscira? Her being the God of War was just an act, her mother being turned to stone, battle with firstborn and everything? I didn't catch where the romantic interest in Clark was one of them. Regardless of that, despite being deceived during the New 52 run, she was still acting out of her own accord. And it wasn't until realizing the truth or that something was wrong that she began to slip into insanity.

For example, during Trinity #1 (which came out 1 month before Wonder Woman Issue #9) Wonder Woman claimed that she was lost and that she can only trust her feelings now. What's important to note is that she clearly says she did not want to rekindle her old feelings, that Superman isn't the same man she once loved, and reiterates by saying those feelings no longer ring true.

Despite knowing her past life was seemingly inaccurate, it does not devalue the genuine feelings she had for Clark. Honestly, this scan alone would totally be the perfect way to end the Wonder Woman/Superman relationship. If only it was fleshed out like this in the Reborn timeline.

Diana would acknowledge her relationship with Clark as true, but question her life and everything about her. Likewise, Clark would acknowledge that he too can understand why she feels unsure because after Superman Reborn, he's also questioning his life thanks to unknown forces (Dr. M and Mr. Oz).As a result, both of them would reevaluate their lives altogether and come to the realization of who they truly are after finding the truth. That way, the relationship can still have happened, offered new stories for character development, but there would be no worries of Wonder Woman and Superman having anything but a normal relationship as friends.

@zariusii: seriously... why does everyone keep saying WW used him in rebirth. All she said was that she's bad at being romantic but good at loving and being with Clark was simple. All that means is the relationship came without issue to her and natural.

In no way is she denying that their love wasn't genuine. She may have had feelings for Steve, but she was still faithful to Clark and her actions showed that she would not jeaopardize it

Also, her molly-coddling him during Truth wasn't surprising. He's lived his whole life with powers and could face impossibly dangerous physical situations, but suddenly couldn't. Clark getting made at her and saying she would take Batman on dangerous missions was clearly a stretch since he knew well that Batman is prepared for danger and Clark simply isn't anymore. Was it right for Diana to treat him how she did in Truth? Some argue yes and no. For me, it's at least understandable as to why she did what she did, and it also shows a genuine care and concern from Diana.

At the same time, it shows how Diana couldn't properly handle the relationship when Superman was at his worst, since at the time they both wanted different things. She clearly wanted to protect him, but he wanted her to stop looking at him like he was different from before. It's hard to deny the love wasn't there. It just makes more sense that the relationship became too strained. And when Superman said to Diana "I don't love you anymore" or something along those lines, it was seemingly out of desperation and not something he'd say with a normal state of mind.

All in all, the WW/SM relationship could have been a really powerful tool to helping both characters grow, while still showing us that these Gods amongst man are still facing the same difficulties everyone does.