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@underfire47: This is what i meant when i said it's impossible for you people to change your minds... Leader literally transformed into a giant xenomorph queen from the Aliens movie

Because of the way you downplay and continue to downplay and come up with excuses, your lack of knowledge on certain even basic things, etc.. The problem is you could have just been doing that because i tried to use a gotcha on you, so i don't know the true intent of your actions.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but ok.

Dude, you literaly changed my mind at least twice until now.I tought that Maestro was impressive and you told me jobs i reasearched it and yeah you´re right, then we had the whole Beta ray discussion which i conceded that the planet was small.

So why do you always aprouch me with bad faith? Yeah i got some stuff wrong in what that thread about the list? but from them to now i read up on many older issues read bagels and some cavs to get understand more and fact check what i remembered by head and only made some slight mistakes (the issue where i said like 15 and it was 12). If your point is that i missed that Hulk became stronger in the 00 then it isn´t valid as i knew and acounted for that in the my point , hell even when i made that thread of list the gamma mutates 5 mounths ago i put pre core amp bellow current savage

The most similar comparision was when hulk got mad after Jarella and fought that robot(...)
Hulk and Thor being very similar in strength in that fight


in which i meant that in that period of time Hulk and Thor comparision would be an almost 1 to 1 so to Hulk to dismember and destroy the robot with a hit means that Hulk had to be multiple times stronger than when he first came in the fight

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There is literally no proof of this.

I mean he could lock devil and bring green skarr by manipulating gamma energy.And in here he was also manipulating Gamma so...

We now know that this is incorrect, before we thought he took over Green Scar but in reality he didn't he just disguised himself as Green Scar.
So he never even manipulated Hulks emotions at any point, he did however take the opportunity of Xemnus tp assault to lock away Devil Hulk, that's everything he did and later we see that he tried to chain Savage Hulk next to Banner and Fixit.

True, when i started i hadn´t read the issue 39 so yeah you´re right but tbh i don´t know yet if Terns can really change forms willy nilly as he has only changed to his monster form and the other one he had to "eat" Brian so...

he did made Hulk able to ressist Xemmu

They did plenty, the problem with comicvine and its users like yourself is once you are stuck in one way of thinking, it's impossible to change your minds. Like Hulk grew stronger in that instance WITHOUT ANYONE BEING HURT, he just grew stronger 3 times because he was angry from the fight itself, yet here he was looking at Jackie McGee being hurt and that pissed him off seeing someone he considers a friend has always driven Hulk to become insanely strong. So how you can spin that this somehow supports your argument is beyond me.

Nah you´re almost convincing me tbh.

Or his friends like Rick Jones, Doc Samson, Jackie Mcgee. Hulk was also in a fight in this instance, he wasn't fighting back but he was getting beaten so no matter how much he didn't wanna fight, it certainly caused him anger to get hit over and over.

Of corse he has became stronger when someone he cares about but i don´t think you get the massive increase that would be needed to rip his own arm one handed. Hell i ain´t even saying that it´s impossible to savage to do so, i just think it would need more than that to make an at least 30x.

You just keep exposing how little you know of the Hulk, this was WAY BACK when Hulk was about equal to Thor in strength, which has changed in the 90's and early 2000's when Hulk was hailed as stronger of the 2 and then was further bridged when Hulk got the core breach amp that made him even stronger. Hulk does not need time to get that stronger, he has literally gone from Banner(his human form) to Hulk angry and strong enough to almost break a continent with his transformation alone

So yes Hulk can go to ridiculous levels of strength and anger on his own, without needing any outside stimulation.

You can hate and downplay Hulk all you want but you literally have no evidence Leader did anything to manipulate his emotions there, in fact this whole emotion stuff was debunked when we saw that Leader never even manipulated Green Scar in the first place, the argument should have finally died then and there.

You missed my point entirely when i mentioned Thor. I did so because at that time they were an almost 1x1 comparision, so for the Hulk to dismember a bot 2 the strength of Thor this boost should be massive.When grey hulk defeated Abomination he went from like barely hurting and moving him to defeating him and he even cites that he would be 10x stronger.

The example that you gave me, is from incredible hulk 632 if i´m correct isn´t it? Do you really think the level of anger that Hulk showed in heart of the monster is an indicative of "normal" savage Hulk levels? specially when he was going worldbreaker just before?

Like i genuinaly don´t get why you think i´m a Hulk hater and downplayer.Like i can´t really grasp that. I showed you before, when you tried doing that gotcha about Thor skull in immortal Hulk that i ain´t that Thor fan that simply ignore evidence and say muh favorite character

The post, which i think people deleted shows clearly i saying that Thor was stomped by devil Hulk. When the person that i was debating with tried to say that was Thor jobbing i went against that. Hulk beat Thor fair and straight. That was why i was debating for IH against Black adam and etrigan two characters i consider to be around Thor levels.

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@underfire47: Ok, so my take of this is that Hulk was at least a little affected by Sam´s gamma manipulation that he was doing in the battlefield

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The leader has been show to kinda manipulate Hulk´s emotions after the defeat of Xemmu where he calmed Hulk in what seems to be mind control.

The previous examples that you showed, in my way of viewing did nothing to disprove the notion that it could be because of Stern manipulation. A 3x times increase after a whole fight where Hulk lost wouldn´t be enough to rip his own arm as a matter of fact this only supports my argument.

Every time i saw Hulk doing such a quantifible multiplier on his strength someone he loves deeply was hurt on in peril of doing so: Betty, Jarella, caiera and many of those significant increases had a fight/quite some time before.

The most similar comparision was when hulk got mad after Jarella and fought that robot that was suposedly 2x Thor strength and broke the robot apart in the end in the fight. Hulk and Thor being very similar in strength in that fight but Hulk still needed the fact that Jarella was dead( i think) and some time to really get to this level of strength

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@underfire47:

Sorry for the delay i had to deal with college, work and health issues, nothing major tho.

i will post tomorrow

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Apparently Herc is the first maestro. interesting twist

sad to think he will be prob destroyed

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He got out finally and it seems he isn´t the only one...

10 bucks devil hulk will beat the crap out of sterns

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@noobmaster2001: man, i must say: i love your rt
they are always so complete

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damn i like this list, can you recomend something about/where rougue gets any love?

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this is a very good list, i love those films

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