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@professorrespect:Don´t pretend like being show on pannel is the end all be all of evidence.

You would discard this pannels in an instant as soon as you saw it and so would i:

This is Thor and Bill destroying the center of a galaxy. A true shared feat if you ask me but if you count 50% for each it would be 2 million solar masses for each. But you would not consider it, because logic is what determines the validity of a feat.

Another example:

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Jane Thor with Mjolnir overpowering the full power of the shiar gods that were previosly shown to throw a star that went nova meaning is at least eight times bigger than the sun.

So if logic can disqualify a feat as an outlier it can qualify it as valid and in a certain level if there is enough evidence to support it.

So i showed Thor shattering a confirmed planet by himself with his hits while not touching the planet. We know he shattered because he needed to fix the whole planet mid battle or people would die

Then i show other people that are his exact equals: destroying a planet, killing and defeating someone that tanked a planet busting attack, cracking planets the size of mars by mere punches a total of more than 14 statements and three feats in the same ballpark.

prof: nuh uhn.

@swaggiejay:i appreciate your enthusiasm but do not ad homn. And as i said before i respect prof, he is a very cool guy for the little that we interacted i would like if you could not give this energy to the debate

@professorrespect: So how many times will Thor and his literal equals will have to state and perform the same exact feat so it is consistent prof?

@professorrespect:

It's a shared feat wherein the "planets" are of unknown size and mass. Same thing with Gladiator shattering a "planet" only then we know it was hollow.

No, this is disengenuous and you know that. Thor is hitting with a blunt weapon while Gorr is using pircing weapons. Can you show me any feat of Gorr doing shockwaves with pircing weapons?

In fact can you give anything to substantiate that at all? Because the narration specifically mentions THOR´S hits doing the destruction and gorr cutting and entering Thor´s flesh

No mention of Gorr´s attacks doing any of the shattering. 11 mentions to Thor being able to shatter planets two by the same writer while one was in the same run.

This is a shared feat:

the firs scan is not a shared feat, they are not even "sharing" the same kind of attack", Gorr has no feat to suggest he can destroy a planet while not bullrushing, there are no narrative indication to it, Gorr is just holding and pircing Thor

They can't bust a planet that much is true etc

vague you mean

Prof, you know i respect you, but the one that is being vague is you. You evade every question that people give you when trying to quantifying a feat. You just said > most anime or above said character you even wrote a "guide" to debating that basically said to write as little as possible so others can´t prove you wrong. And if i were to ask you now what is the limit that Superman, Thor or savage Hulk (up until marvel now) can destroy you would probably not answer.

And i showed here 11 statements of Thor stricking alone, two feats by base Thor that are basically the same feat but in lower scale and in one of them Thor doing with his bare hands.

Then i showed Bill destroying a planet, killing someone that made a bullrush that destroyed a planet (so bullrush>energy necessary to the planet being destroyed). Stardust as you well know was fine after busting the planet with a bullrush but bill overcame this durability twice (with the first trying killing it) and bill can even rip his hand out after it was reformed and before the planet busting showing that this made bigger damage than destroying of a planet. This was, again, confirmed a planet by the nova corps files

So here i showed that Bill can output more power than the one outputed when they destroyed a whole planet. Thrice.

Then i show that Bill statement of destroying planets are specific to planets that are massive enough to have a spherical configuration and must clear it´s own orbital path of other objects. This makes it at least mercury or above. But there are more information: the planets shown are big enough that they can atract another round shaped celestial object enough so that it can be it´s moon.

That is a lot of info that you are disqualifing just because you don´t like the evidence. I´m pretty sure mercury can´t atract a round moon. Precisely because it would have to be considerable bigger than the other object and there is a minimum for a celestial body to be round.

And in fact one of these feats is one of the most objective feats you can find. We know exactly how many round moons Jupiter have, Jane and Odin were doing this with their punches and each hit have to generate more energy than their impact in the moon.

The feat is in our solar system, with celestial bodies that we do know, not directed at or meant to destroy any and was done without Mjolnir.

How vague uhm? Basically what you want is to have it confirmed to be earth, because this are some of the most objective planet busting you will find unless it is specifically earth

This are all very indicative that Thor can shatter a planet with Mjolnir.

• • His hammer strikes are way stronger than Jane´s punches (like Thor mjolnir> Herc punches) and would do more demange to the jovian moons specially if he aimed at it.
  • Bill would destroy the missele in S.W.O.R.D by directly overcoming it´s durability which would be INTACT after destroying the earth in the simualtions. Antimatter could barely dent it with continued exposition.
  • If he can shake earth from nidavelir it implies his strikes are strong enough to affect one planet to another. This was done by many hits from a serious not holding back Thor.
  • Bill has been stated and show to destroy a planet by a writer that specifically wrote the scientific definition of a planet. Different from Gladiator that was shown to destroy a planet that should not be a planet or it was easier to destroy for some reason this planet is comparable to any planet or big moon in the solar system.
  • If he can by punching afect the nine realms with his hammer he can do a lot more.
  • It is plain to seethat Thorhas phisicalsin themoon levelat least245678 (focusing the power that could destroy the moon by being near it)9 (for an extended period of time with a lighting that at least lowballing dwarfed the moon) But here i´m focusing specifically in the striking and with Mjolnir which amps his powers. The bigger moons are comparable to Mars a planet.

• So to sumerize: There are many many many statements or feats of him operating at moon to small planet level and his hammer amps his stricking so it would not be illogical to assume he can do something he specifically said and other people suported the claim2 it could do and then did and then he did. Keep in mind he also did two other similar but less impressive feats.
• Is it really that crazy to assume he is planet level that was stated more than eleven times, has feats in the similar ballpark and show not once but twice and other character that was shown on screen moments before to tank this level of power? No. it isn´t.
• (This is not even all the statements or feats or scalling obviosly)

All of this imply that we can reasonable assume Thor can destroy a planet. Like we are being told for decades he can. And you are saying that he can´t because it was vague (which i just showed it isn´t)

when was Ulik EVER written as planetary? The only thing produced as such is a singular statement in his DEBUT issue wherein it was merely stated by Thor that he could "level a planet"

The same issue, mind, where a statement of him being able to "shatter a mountain" was shown in the exact same way and just as impressive, so there's really not anything there for discussion in that manner. As someone who's covered Ulik more than anyone else on his site I think I'm more than confident in saying that he was never on that level in any serious way.

Precisely then and there in his debut where Thor says twice that he can affect a world going by leveling and shatering. And then two issues later he thinks that with a Mjolinir replica in his hands his power is supreme.

In order to not be too much and not do a gish gallop you can ignore the rest if you want you can just answer what i wrote here:

It is plain to seethat Thorhas phisicalsin themoonlevelat least245678 (focusing the power that could destroy the moon by being near it)9 (for an extended period of time with a lighting that at least lowballing dwarfed the moon) but here i´m focusing specifically in the striking and with Mjolnir which amps his powers. The bigger moons are compared to Mars and mercury, planets

• So to sumerize: There are many many many statements or feats of him operating at moon to small planet level and his hammer amps his stricking so it would not be illogical to assume he can do something he specifically said or someone else said it could do and then did and then he did two other similar but less impressive feats and that basically his clone has done too.

@professorrespect: as always i accept feedback. The citations are incoming, i have a busy week.

The most important is how i view it: I showed the first feat, shattering planets around them. Do they agree with the statements and narration? they do, Thor and his equals can shatter planets. But then the question is: can he really shatter planets as far away as that? Then i showed that there are feats quite similar with thor being able to shook/ affect celestial bodies from afar.

The scalling then is just a plus: People when they are first intruduced and before becoming jobbers under the same writers that introduced them. So you can´t argue that they were different decades, under different writers who had different visions of the characters, no, the same writer that wrote Ulik as planetary had Thor surviving hits from him and clashing iirc

I know that no matter what i say and show you will not bend, because you already made up your mind but can you at least point to where i could improve?

edit: I´m not even saying that Ulik or Angela ARE planetary consistently specially the later i´m just saying that there are plenty of characters that are stated to be planetary in the exact same issue they fight Thor and he trashes them or is show as above them: Loki, Angela, Ulik, Stelaris. And that is a point that should be considered when writers want to show a enemy is around Thor level they show them as planetary regardless of if they will be consistent in this level later.

edit 2: Now if you take issue to me comparing Thor to bill, herc or jane then i straight up disagree

Call out:

As everyone knows Thor has some of the most powerfull striking of comics of herald level characters, but i will go beyond: i will say that Thor has got more planetary feats and scalling out of every characters and i hope to prove this.

Before we analised the storm manipulation feats, next we talk about striking.

I want to focus on this specific feat: Thor shater worlds when not even touching them

Now when this feat showed up people began saying that it was not planets but moons, but fortunatly for us Aaron himself said that the what was smashed was indeed a planet

Now many people might say that it was inconsistent. And i disagree i think it is the culmination of decades all the way from the 70s of the Thor and his equals, like Jane, Bill and Herc stating or being stated as planetary threats by narration

Statements implying planetary potency

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(without mjolnir) Jane Thor and Odin with their own punches was able to make large cracks in the surface of jupiter rounds moons the biggest ones in the solar system, with one being almost the same size as mars. She has the exact same strength as Thor and most of the energy in the punch is lost in the moment of impact

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And in fact Thor has a few feats that replicate the shaterring planets around him this in similar ways. Like stricking hard enough to be felt in all the nine realms barehanded

When just a issue before the nine realms show themselves as planets. So Thor shook planets with his fist

Then, later Thor hits a clone of his so hard it is felt in earth, nidavelir and Asgard

Aaron later clarified that nidavelir has mountains as big as moons, making a very sizeable realm

Beta ray Bill was even the first option when dealing with a planet killing missle/ bullet that would harden the more time it spent traveling in space. The bullet already was capable of destroying the earth and keept growing stronger. Bill could not reach it however because of the magical defenses of it

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We even see some of the planets that bill destroys and bill kills the being that would later destroy a planet with their bullrush.The same writer even shows the scientific definition of planet when bill says he has destroyed planet so there is no way of rationalizing as "planetoids" or something

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Thor is above characters that are said to be planet level threats

Thor has even overpowered a weapon that can shatter planets early on in his career

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And in his every first appearence Ulik was said to be able to level a planet his punders and Thor could take some hits from them altough severely hurt. (Hell even Loki says that he can destroy a planet in one silver surfer appearence)

I think we should adress this for the sake of being complete but in angela asgard asssasin 2 was said to have destroyed the moons of khali 247. She later in the same issue and series fought Thor and is explicitaly said to be weaker.

In the same issue stelaris says it can shatter planets Thor overpowers her phisically and matches lighting to her energy projection. So no matter the way she is able to shatter a planet Thor can handle it

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Thor can shake the celestial ships with his punches alone. The celestial warship has been show to vary in size but in the same issue it is bigger than the moon. It is also said to be the same size as the moon and bigger than a "small solar system". Let´s go with bigger than the moon as it is the most consistent. By the way the enemy that Thor fights and is "at least equal" is said be able to "hold the earth"

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So it is not simply outliers, exageration, no. Thor has been said and show that his hits are able to reach interplanetary distances and shake, demolish,level and shatter celestial bodies.

The people that Thor fights are always explicitally planet level. They might become Jobbers later but it is astonishing how when they interact with Thor specifically in the same story and same writer they are show to be planetary. And this can be felt for decades You can´t be more consistent then that

With mjolnir and not holding back he is show to be able to shatter planets without even touching them.

If we would talk about outliers i would point to thor destroying the center of a galaxy and multiple stars, shaking stars and overpowering the power that can throw entire stars turned supernovas:

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Planet meta: consistent

@lazarus4tempest: Yeah it is a dividing concept but do remember that the another feat of the dead motherstorm is stopping a star that turned nova and was throw by skyfather level beings.

Even if you don´t like it and i respect it i also prefer the hammer being used to focus his power, it is nice for neat feats