@dernman: very much disagree, I am bi and figuring out youre bi takes a lot of time. It’s not based on whether society is accepting or not it’s just tricky. Cause there’s no test that you pass and boom youre bi
@dernman: very much disagree, I am bi and figuring out youre bi takes a lot of time. It’s not based on whether society is accepting or not it’s just tricky. Cause there’s no test that you pass and boom youre bi
One. Takes time doesn't mean anything when you have an open door into the character where you can see more about the character they it can see for himself. It's not like the real world. You know things about the character it's not aware of itself.
Two The society thing was a separate point and was addressing a particular point about being hard to come out do to what others think and react
Three. No point was made that suggested it was like a test.
Four You don't need to be bi to know these things or understand. You think strait people have everything figured out about themselves?
@dernman: very much disagree, I am bi and figuring out youre bi takes a lot of time. It’s not based on whether society is accepting or not it’s just tricky. Cause there’s no test that you pass and boom youre bi
One. Takes time doesn't mean anything when you have an open door into the character where you can see more about the character they it can see for himself. It's not like the real world. You know things about the character it's not aware of itself.
Two The society thing was a separate point and was addressing a particular point about being hard to come out do to what others think and react
Three. No point was made that suggested it was like a test.
Four You don't need to be bi to know these things or understand. You think strait people have everything figured out about themselves?
I mean straight and gay and asexual people would be able to figure out their sexuality easier than bi people mainly cause it’s more evident
@dernman: very much disagree, I am bi and figuring out youre bi takes a lot of time. It’s not based on whether society is accepting or not it’s just tricky. Cause there’s no test that you pass and boom youre bi
One. Takes time doesn't mean anything when you have an open door into the character where you can see more about the character they it can see for himself. It's not like the real world. You know things about the character it's not aware of itself.
Two The society thing was a separate point and was addressing a particular point about being hard to come out do to what others think and react
Three. No point was made that suggested it was like a test.
Four You don't need to be bi to know these things or understand. You think strait people have everything figured out about themselves?
I mean straight and gay and asexual people would be able to figure out their sexuality easier than bi people mainly cause it’s more evident
It's not a fact that a bi person would have a harder time. You either like something or not. It's just a matter of being honest with yourself and coming to grips with it. That depends on the individual.
Even if it were true it's not so far beyond the limit where someone can relate.
Even if you took out sexuality there is always going to be something that someone has trouble figuring out about themselves to make them understand the struggle of knowing themselves.
@dernman: I’m talking about nothing else but sexuality. And as a bi person and talking to irl bi friends believe me figuring out your sexuality is way more complicated when you’re bi,pan,omni etc cause you don’t not like anything. And I’m 16 while Tim is 18/19 which is around the exact age someone would realize they are bi
@dernman: Tim’s coming out is a bit sudden and he could’ve had a self discovery arc but like I like that they didnt make it a big deal. Tim saying “yeah i think I’d like that” means he’s given it thought before. Being bi also doesn’t change anything except help give him more options. I don’t see the discourse
@mustafa-28: that’s understandable too. It just would have had better optics if there had been a least some form of Tim ‘figuring out his sexuality’ before now. Wasn’t he in a long standing on again off again ship with Steph? They could have dropped some crumbs way back then. Made it appear as if it’s always been on the radar so to speak. You don’t just wake up one day in your twenties and realize you could go either way. On some level you’ve always known. Had inner thoughts and confusing struggles as you learn to accept who/what you are. But I could be wrong.
there's nothing wrong with them taking "straight" characters and making them not anymore since, change like this happens irl too. People often misinterpret their own feelings (especially in bi peoples cases) and that leads to them thinking they're straight when they aren't. some people do one day wake up and realize they aren't straight, sometimes it isn't so sudden.
and for the people losing their shit rn, it reeks of insecurities and like you're trying to convince yourself you're straight.
@dernman: Tim’s coming out is a bit sudden and he could’ve had a self discovery arc but like I like that they didnt make it a big deal. Tim saying “yeah i think I’d like that” means he’s given it thought before. Being bi also doesn’t change anything except help give him more options. I don’t see the discourse
there's no such thing as "a bit sudden" when it comes to figuring out sexuality or self identity in general, I also see this as his self discovery arc. It also seems like this is taken out of context/there's more too it than just this one panel due to the "other night"
Imagine the uproar if a writer one day just decided to turn an originally gay character straight. I'm sure you'd get far fewer people saying "Wow think of all the new stories that could tell."
It's pathetic that people find meaningless virtue signaling like this something to be excited about.
Imagine the uproar if a writer one day just decided to turn an originally gay character straight. I'm sure you'd get far fewer people saying "Wow think of all the new stories that could tell."
It's pathetic that people find meaningless virtue signaling like this something to be excited about.
Well that’s the thing, they didn’t turn him gay. They aren’t invalidating his past relationship. He’s just bi which is completely understandable and honestly fits his character better
@reaperthegrim: Well everyone hated how ice was handled including queer people so I’d think thr reaction would be the same. Plus we were never told that Tim was straight, we knew he liked women but never told he ONLY liked women
Its better than the way Marvel just ignored the 50 years of Ice-Man being in committed heterosexual relationships. If a characters sexual orientation is the most important thing about that character then that character is really boring.
Yeah, that was just a slap in the face to everyone involved. I'm not against gay heroes...but at least give a good reason for such a massive change to take place...or how about make a new hero so you don't run into this issue in the 1st place?
Iceman being gay is about as plausible as me one day telling my girlfriend, who I adore and love that I'm gay 'cuz someone told me I am'.
Another lazy and garbage appeal to the woke crowd. Take an established character we all love and change his sexuality. Now all the established fans of the character have to begrudgingly go along with it despite being a completely different departure from the character.
Decades upon decades of not being gay, but now 2021 called and Batman isn't gay enough.
Another lazy and garbage appeal to the woke crowd. Take an established character we all love and change his sexuality. Now all the established fans of the character have to begrudgingly go along with it despite being a completely different departure from the character.
Decades upon decades of not being gay, but now 2021 called and Batman isn't gay enough.
They didn’t change his sexuality. They aren’t erasing Tim in any sense just adding to his character in a sense. Comic book fans didn’t seem to have such a hard time grasping Harley cuz ofc
I was listening to NPR on the way into work this morning and they mentioned this. I had to go to work so I didn't listen to the whole thing, but this article covers it and covers it in the way expected.
Cheerleading it. This is I believe part of the reason they did it. Marvel and DC may not be chasing sales like they used to, but they crave positive mentions on any sort of media and this is the sort of thing that a lot of the media loves to celebrate. They also love goading people (as in my opinion Bendis did with Bobby) and claiming the role of victim of a right wing hate mob on twitter.
To those here who are cheering it, I hope you get what you want. And I would love to read it too. I'm straight, but old and I can remember when this sort of thing wasn't even whispered in polite society. Anyone here ever read the "Well of Loneliness" by Radcliffe Hall? That's an entire book about finding your sexual identity within a very restrictive society, the book was actually banned when it came out in 1928. But it is a very good exploration of what it means to be that different emotionally. When you think of if Tim exploring this part of himself is what every person has to do eventually, we all have to find our sexual identity and a lot of the time it's not easy for a lot of reasons. If the writer at DC wants to go this way, to explore how and why Tim's doing this and put in the stressful context of supervillains, aliens and other comic book menaces then it is going to be a very challenging bit of writing. If the writer succeeds this will be a great story, but is any comic book writer up to this level these days? Mostly what we are getting is splash pages, stunts and crossovers, not in depth emotionally complex and nuanced stories.
Imagine the uproar if a writer one day just decided to turn an originally gay character straight. I'm sure you'd get far fewer people saying "Wow think of all the new stories that could tell."
It's pathetic that people find meaningless virtue signaling like this something to be excited about.
See that's the thing though, if a character's not straight typically that's a big part of their character, kind of like how Black Panther is directly tied with his race, but less well done than with Black Panther because a lot of writers don't want to write good, they want to appeal to what's popular because that's what makes them money.
@cocacolaman: That's not exactly new. One of the reasons that Virgil wrote the Aeneid to please the Romans after all, knowing that flattering them would get him money. Imagining themselves as descendants of Troy appealed to the Roman mind. But while that may be one of the reasons he wrote it, he also put effort into the characters and plot.
But why it's written should be a side issue, the main issues are 1) is it any good and 2) will the change be part of the character going forward or will this be trotted out everytime they want to write a preachy story on intolerance.
Another lazy and garbage appeal to the woke crowd. Take an established character we all love and change his sexuality. Now all the established fans of the character have to begrudgingly go along with it despite being a completely different departure from the character.
Decades upon decades of not being gay, but now 2021 called and Batman isn't gay enough.
Can you please show me a comic, a page or a panel of Tim Drake saying he was straight?!, If not , there's no change.
Will you die if you "go along" with it, I thought y'all read comics for the plot, why is the person Tim is kissing or fucking so important to you, why are you so concerned about another's man romantic/sexual life, that's very gay of you if you ask me
Imagine the uproar if a writer one day just decided to turn an originally gay character straight. I'm sure you'd get far fewer people saying "Wow think of all the new stories that could tell."
One proof that Tim was straight?, Give me one, quick.🤨
Yes, heterosexuality is boring, tasteless and overplayed so it can't tell any new stories. Awnn, is someone jealous thier sexuality is basic and outdated😢?
It's pathetic that people find meaningless virtue signaling like this something to be excited about.
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