What feelings hahahahaha and yes Hulk's hand was more durable than his body as you need to book an appointment with an optometrist
Your biased feelings of wanking Gladiator. First off no it wasnt as Gladiator had WAY more time firing his HV at Hulks chest than it did at his hand. How do you not even factor such a simple thing?
Your wood analogy is pathetic and doesn't apply to Gladiator considering his optic blast is hotter than stars but some how it's restricted to burning through Hulk's chest but not his hand since logic doesn't apply to the Hulk fan club lol, Hulk tanking a fall from the atmosphere doesn't debunk Hulk being weak but a dinosaur somehow does more damage is just moronic beyond words and another thing how does Hulk's hand reflect heat since Gladiator's optic blast isn't concussive force as it makes no sense at all unless you deny basic science.
Without pis/cis Gladiator would leave Hulk as a green smear since Hulk lacks combat speed and reactionary speed to fight anybody on Gladiator's level, Gladiator could barely defeat Heimdall but in the comic all he got in was one shot and was brutality beaten and sent across a city with little effort despite Heimdall managing the same thing with Mangog, again Heimdall was dealt the same one sided defeat on both occasions. Gladiator multi-universal blitz wasn't underwhelming at all as Gladiator stated on panel he wasn't there to fight him and was holding back as to take things out of context to low ball is childish.
It's pathetic because you dont like it and it debunks your asinine case of whining about the most trivial thing like "Hulks hand is tougher than his chest, WHAAAAAAA!". Hulk has already resisted heats hotter than the core of the Star itself. And again as i already mentioned and as the wood analogy pointed out to you, Gladiator had more time burning through Hulks chest AND EVEN THEN he couldn't burn all the way through it in time to mortally wound him, while when he fired at Hulks hand it was literally for a split second and at point blank range. Gladiator was firing his HV at Hulk while he was several meters away and SLOWLY approaching Gladiator as illustrated by 3 panels, while the hand blocking happened in an instant. So somehow your feeble mind can't comprehend the difference between Gladiator SLOWLY burning through Hulks chest over time and him not having enough time to burn through his hand which was at point blank. Hulks durablity was all over the place at the time, one minute he could fight another version of the Hulk just fine but another he loses to a T-rex, he was at a flux. Jesus Christ... Gladiators HV is concussive force as it has blasted back people before
seriously how do you wank this character so much yet not even know this. Secondly the very comic confirms its concussive force by having Gladiator tell you that his HV is backfired on him.
No PIS/CIS in the universe would help Gladiator as Hulk literally and read this word carefully LITERALLY has him beat in every single field. Stronger, more durable, better healing, more powerful attacks, their speed at best is roughly the same. So no Hulk while weakened already beat him and back than Gladiator was actually somewhat of a threat, no he struggles against mid tiers. Gladiator was bloody and bruised in his fight with Heimdall and it took more than 1 hit, for him to beat Heimdall as the entire fight happened off screen. Heimdall and Magog fight was not the same lol, what? His blitz was underwhelming, as he literally tried to take out Heimdall with 1 blitz but failed, the fact that he wasnt there to fight him doesn't negate the fact that he HAD to fight him to get to Thor and why would he even attempt to bltiz him if he didn't want to fight him? You literally make less sense by the minute in your desperate attempt to save face and think of any kind of excuse for Gladiators pathetic showings.
I think Gladiator wins but it's by no means a stomp.
You know that blitz couldn't even take out Heimdall? So how is it gonna take someone a thousand times more durable?
read whats in the spoiler block, also Gladiator wanted Heimdall conscious to call out to Jane
I read whats in the spoiler block and no Gladiator is not beating Hulk, he couldn't even beat a weakened pre-core breach amp Hulk, he certainly isn't beating a healthy post-core breach amp one. Where does Gladiator state that he wants Heimdall to call out Jane? I just re-read the comic to be sure and you completely made that up. In fact Gladiator was eager just to burn Heimdall to ash from the very start.
CAV me. Gladiator curbs? Based on what? Try bring something that can’t be torn apart through context or consistency.
CaV this.
You couldn't evaluate consistency with regard to reaction feats if your life depended on it. You Hulk guys need to get over yourselves with this crazy logic (oh, Gladiator got tagged, so that must mean it can really happen...Hulk has never been made helpless based on someone's superior reaction speed....blah, blah, blah...).
Gladiator has super reaction speed. Hulk, does not. I dare you to produce one quantifiable reaction feat for the Hulk. Here, I'll save you the time: there aren't any. Gladiator does.
Deal with it.
I'm still waiting on @lvenger's claim that Hulk has more blitzes than Gladiator since he made the claim and can't back it up in any capacity, I want to see anyone CaV that or post up these Hulk "blitzes" as all these Hulk fans can't seem to do either.
I got you fam, there are some instances of Hulks super speed which include blitzing as well.
he Incredible Hulk Annual # 002
Hulk catches speeding rocket sled .... with his bare hands, great reflexes/speed/agility...
Fantastic Four # 012
Narrator : Moving with unbelievable speed for so huge, the Hulk scoops up a small mountain of sand and earth, covering the startled torch with it and dousing his flame at the same time !
Narrator : Like a living tornado, the Hulk spins himself around, causing Mr. Fantastic to unwind his body before the irresistable power of the incredible creature !
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 214
Jack of Hearts : It's impossible ! Nothing alive can move that fast !!
What powers Jack of Hearts possess ?
The maximum speed he can pick up while flying isn't known, but it is high possibility that he can use the Zero Energy to open hyperspace warps while in space, allowing him to travel at speeds FTL.
Iron Man # 131
Narrator : Right, but unfortunately, that ''somethin'' isn't quite as fast as the Hulk !
Defenders # 060
Hulk catches fighter aircrafts...
Fantastic Four #026
Catching tank shell...
Giant-Size Defenders #2
Catching rockets...
Incredible Hulk #245
Catching the rockets again...
Incredible Hulk #208
Batting artillery shells...
Incredible Hulk # 132
Dodging bullets...
Incredible Hulk # 004
Narrator : Suddenly, moving with blinding speed which seems impossible for one huge, incredible Hulk leaps into air...
Incredible Hulk # 298
Narrator : But, then who could dream that the Hulk would be swift enough to snatch a speeding hoverflier from the air ?
The Incredible Hulk Annual # 002
Dodging from evapo-ray blaster...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 120
Hulk deflects the missiles with just the vibration of his hands...
Hulk catches the military plane...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 125
Even under the mud, Hulk goes fast...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 112
Hulk saves someone inside of a beam...
Incredible Hulk # 109
Hulk is like human missile...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 264
Night Flyer : What ?! You snatch me from my glider with a swiftness that defies belief !
Incredible Hulk # 109
Hulk catches the red missile...
Incredible Hulk # 118
Hulk catches Namor from his whirlpool trap... No one has ever broken it before !
Namor : Hulk ! Coming at me like a living torpedo !
Incredible Hulk # 143
Difference between Hulk and street levels... ''Green Hurricane...''
Incredible Hulk # 265
Hulk catches Texas Twister the inside of his tornado trap...
Incredible Hulk # 277
Hulk catches X-Ray with ease, who can flight at high speed...
Incredible Hulk # 144
Dr. Doom : You are far more agile than i anticipated from one of your size !
Hulk dodges Doom's beam, even Doom failed to predict the Hulk...
Incredible Hulk vol. 2 # 316
Wonder Man : How can anything so big move so fast ?!
Incredible Hulk # 138
Hulk repels sand man's bullet speed flints...
Incredible Hulk volume 01 # 301
Hulk catches fighter aircraft...
Incredible Hulk # 233
Narrator : Four mighty limbs suddenly churn the water into a mael-strom, sending the man-monster rocketing after jackson like a living torpedo !
Incredible Hulk # 175
Narrator : And the daring young mutant swiftly learns that he who is the first ball thrown in, may become the first ball batted out of the park !
Incredible Hulk #128
Hulk slaps Pietro again...
The Order #3
Incredible Hulk # 138
Hulk creates a whirlpool with his bare hand...
Incredible Hulk 263
Hulk catches the jetliner...
Incredible Hulk # 284
Hulk catches Iron Man in the air with ease...
Incredible Hulk # 262
Hulk protect himself from bullet speed needles with ease then catches giant bird on air...
Incredible Hulk # 276
Narrator : ...and posseses lightning-fast reflexes him to catch the objects hurling at him in mid-flight...
Incredible Hulk #107
Mandarin : Incredible ! His reflexes are without equal !
Tales to Astonish #82
Narrator : Moving with a lumbering speed that belies his massive frame,
Fantastic Four #25
Narrator : Moving with suprising speed for one so huge,
Avengers #1
Narrator : Then with the speed of a charging dreadnought,
Comet Man #3
Comet Man : How can he be that big and move so fast ?!
Incredible Hulk #206
Pilot : That monster overtook my jet like it was standing still !
Incredible Hulk Annual # 002
Narrator : ...possessing the mightiest muscles of any living mortal... He performs a seemingly impossible feat ! By sheer brute power alone, by actual muscle control, her forces his flying body to lift itself up, over the solid stone trestle !
Incredible Hulk # 274
Hulk catches super sonic boomerang while he taking the sonic attack in his ear...
Marvel Feature # 03
Narrator : ...He more than makes up for in lightning-fast reflexes... !
Incredible Hulk Annual # 003
Hulk saves someone from high speed missile explosion.
Incredible Hulk Annual # 004
Ufo coming fast at eleven o'clock...
Narrator : Then moving with uncanny speed for one so huge...
Incredible Hulk Annual # 006
Hulk dodges from tank shells with ease...
For a moment, he thinks he sees a large, green blur of movement in the distance out.
Incredible Hulk Annual # 009
No ! I never dreamed he could jump that fast !
Incredible Hulk Annual # 010
Banner goes to light speed with his captain universe form...
Narrator : Mightiest leg muscles of any being ever born, hurl Hulk up up !
Hulk caught the space missile...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 103
Hulk catches space parasite in the air with ease...
Incredible Hulk Annual # 011
Hulk repels Iron Man's repulsor rays with ease...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 105
Narrator : ...once the fuse is lit, the Hulk's reflexes explode with the violance of a raging holocaust...!
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 010
Hulk used his speed...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 117
Hulk dodges from beam and uses his speed again...
Hulk catches a high speed missile again...
Tales to Astonish #92
Hulk tagged Silver Surfer while he was going at high speed...
Then moving with blazing speed that belies his ponderous bulk, indescribably powerful leviathan hurls himself skyward once more---
The Incredible Hulk 064 (2003)
Hulk catches turbo lift, advanced cyber system chopper with ease...
Incredible Hulk volume 03 # 101
Hulk catches a missile with ease...
Hulk Smash Avengers # 04
Grey Hulk catches Hawk Eye's arrow with ease...
Avengers volume 3 # 75
Hulk catches Cap's vibranium shield in the air with ease...
Incredible Hulk volume 02 # 33
Hulk goes fast underwater again...
Incredible Hulk Volume 02 # 42
Hulk catches a bullet with his mouth !
Captain America & Falcon # 012
Hulk's strength can vibrate thousand of times faster than centrifuge could...
The Incredible Hulk Annual # 024
Another feat for Hulk's super speed...
''If I ever catch our little speed demon...'' (Probably he can't even imagine Hulk's size)
RPG Catching with ease...
Wolverine Origins # 028
Sneaky point blank ambush by Wolverine, even with surprise factor he is not fast enough for Hulk's lightning-fast reflexes...
Then one-shots him without giving him any chance of dodging...
Incredible Hulk v3 # 012
Hulk catches Wolverine's hand while struggling with the Thing and robot bug...
Punisher Vol 5 #37
Another one-shot...
Six Hours #4
Hulk catches Wolverine's hand again...
New Avengers - Army of One
Marvel Comics Presents #55
Even Grey Hulk is fast for Wolverine...
World War Hulk X-Men #2
Hulk catches Wolfsbane's hand before she can react...
Incredible Hulk #471
Another blur movement and speedblitz...
Hulk - Broken Worlds Book #02
Hulk speedblitzes sentinels before they can perform laser beam...
Giant-Size Hulk #1
Hulk dodges from GR's hell fire...
Avengers Season One
Dodges Mjolnir and blitzes Thor
And catches Cap's shield and blocks IM repulsors
Incredible Hulk #450
Saving from rapid bullets...
Incredible Hulk #409
Catching a jet...
New Avengers - Army of One
Hulk catches Stark tech armored soldiers while they were using maximum speed...
Stark tech soldier : Gotta catch us first, greenie !
Hulk - Season One
Hulk saves someone from oil explosion...
Avengers #24
Leaps to orbit...
Incredible Hulks # 632 (2011)
Speedblitz to Armageddon...
Armagedon couldn't even react...
Hulk goes blur in many occasion...
Indestructible Hulk # 01
And again...
Indestructible Hulk # 02
Hulk used his speed to save Iron Man from explosive ...
Hulk's speed far better than Iron Man's flight speed...
Incredible Hulk volume 03 # 009
Hulk goes blur underwater...
Indestructible Hulk # 004
And again...
Indestructible Hulk # 06
Blur again...
Indestructible Hulk # 07
Hulk & Thor with Mjolnir goes to high speed...
Indestructible Hulk # 08
Even with waterfall he still fast...
Indestructible Hulk # 09
Shield agents (probably street level) can't react to aircraft from point blank, while Hulk saves them...
Indestructible Hulk #009
Hulk was the safest, FASTEST method of sinking their entire ship...
Indestructible Hulk # 010
Hulk catches Daredevil while he thrown like a ragdoll...
Then dodges from train which was in point-blank...
Indestructible Hulk # 012
Speedster deputies, fires revolver like gatling gun...
Deputies moving at SUPER-SPEED...
Hulk smashes them with his lightning-fast reflexes...
Indestructible Hulk #14
A behemoth muscular enough to RUN at eye-blurring speed---
In battles... Infinity 06 #
Midnight Proxima : He is FAST,
Incredible Hulk volume # 246
Hulk versus Captain Mar-Vell...
Hulk vs. Gladiator
Hulk catches Gladiator and manage to beat him in a tough fight...
Silver Surfer vs. Hulk
Hulk lands a hit to Silver Surfer with ease while Surfer has his board...
Spider-sense vs. Hulk's lightning-fast reflexes
Spidey : Oh, boy !
Peter Parker Spider-Man #14
Too fast for Spidey...
Again...
And again...
And here Spidey explains to usage of spider-sense against Hulk ;
Hulk vs. Sentry - World War Hulk # 05
Hulk also can easily tag, Sentry in their battles...
New Avengers
One-shots Carol into space before she can react.
Thanos vs Hulk #3
quick and tricky too.
Thanos vs Hulk #4
Blitzes Anhilius before he finishes a sentence.
Savage Hulk #1
Catches and dodges several SUPER SONIC rockets fired at him armed with homing devices and proximity triggers to stop Hulk from catching and throwing them back at the enemy as he has done many times before.
Punches Xemnu so fast his fists create after images.
Oh and they've also harmed beings way more powerful than Heimdall without needing to travel fast enough to cross multiple galaxies in a blink of an eye.
Never seen such outright bias against a single character. As far as Hulk, this is a character that has become the new Wally West on comic vine. Eventually, we'll see threads like "WB Hulk vs. Odin". "WB Hulk vs Galactus". Not even joking. Superior reaction speed aside, Gladiator has busted a planet.
Hulk died in the planet busting explosion he and RSH caused. Why this is a discussion around here, I don't really know.
You should look in the mirror than and stop wanking Gladiator to be above Superman levels when he clearly doesn't deserve it. Yes Hulk has become the new Wally West, sure a sentiment shared by you and no one else on the forums since nobody here actually advocates for Hulk fighting and beating Skyfather level beings. But i forgot you guys might actually think Gladiator is up there. WBH has existed for 7 years now and i have yet to see those threads or at least see them taken seriously by anyone including Hulk fans and that's such a dumb thing to post because you will see ridiculous threads on here like Spiderman vs Galactus, the threads by themselves don't mean anything since they are likely troll/bait threads, the discussions in them are what matters and those threads get laughed out, same with Hulk vs Odin or Galactus. Gladiator doesn't even have superior reaction speed outside of 1 single hyperbolic narrator statement that hasn't been replicated in 40 years. Gladiator 3-shot a random planetoid of unknown size and durability, it's about as credible and consistent as Grey Hulk one-shotting an asteroid twice the size of Earth.
Correction, IF Hulk and died and that's a big IF because the answer is not definitive, he died because of clashing with an equally powerful being, he did not die from the planet itself exploding as Hulk has survived being a planet that literally exploded before.
Can Gladiator speed blitz with bloodlust on ? I don't know about that planet busting feat for Gladiator a lot of people are not taking it seriously. But that could be selling Gladiator short here. So hulk has consistently caught above mach speed missiles thats still good speed Gladiator is still faster. Hulk could win this.
I think Gladiator wins but it's by no means a stomp.
You know that blitz couldn't even take out Heimdall? So how is it gonna take someone a thousand times more durable?
read whats in the spoiler block, also Gladiator wanted Heimdall conscious to call out to Jane
I read whats in the spoiler block and no Gladiator is not beating Hulk, he couldn't even beat a weakened pre-core breach amp Hulk, he certainly isn't beating a healthy post-core breach amp one. Where does Gladiator state that he wants Heimdall to call out Jane? I just re-read the comic to be sure and you completely made that up. In fact Gladiator was eager just to burn Heimdall to ash from the very start.
besides this which contradicts what you just said "Stand down, Sentry. My fight is not with you" or are you forgetting that part on purpose to mislead ?.
@the_red_devil: Well freeze breath and super breath aren't exactly the same thing. Anyone with enough strength in their lungs should be able to use "super breath". Ultimate Hulk has actually done that against the Ultimate Human Torch. Freeze breath is its own thing. Anyway, what Thor instance are you referencing?
love it when a colossus sucker punches an unexpecting hulk and does nothing but make him angry, hits him by my count 6 times in vital areas to no effect, but suddenly is able to "oneshot" a more angry (and thus durable) hulk, despite hulk blatantly saying that he thought that he got him but he didn't and peter even agreeing to this by stating that he let his guard down, and this is what let the hulk hit, but yeah, bruce just happened to wake up and for no reason say a line about colossus not finishing him, the exact moment colossus relaxed.
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The playing possum argument as well as claiming hulk plays possum often is pretty much an admission of the fact that hulk has been knocked out a lot. Why would hulk need to play possum against someone he can supposedly defeat on his own? Moreover, when colossus knocked hulk out he explicitly referenced using his strength combined with his skills to do so. Hulk doesn't get a big durability increase from getting angrier, the durability increase isn't anything compared to the strength and healing factor increase. Colossus' KO is valid. Hulk has a good healing factor. Recovering and healing from a knockout does not mean you never got knocked out in the first place. Your argument is like saying wolverine is bulletproof because he healed from gunshots. Healing from a KO does not mean you never got KOed in the first place.
Also I'm going to flat out state what hulk said on panel. He said "Did puny human think few punches would finish hulk".
"Finish" does not mean knocking someone out. "Finishing" someone, means knocking them out permanently or near permanently, incapacitating them, or killing them. We're talking about hulk here, who can heal from knockouts much faster than most powerhouses due to an enhanced healing factor. Yet we should just ignore that he has a healing factor? Hulks healing factor allows him to recover from KOs much faster than if he doesn't have the healing factor. That's a no brainer. At the same time, hulk is more susceptible to being knocked out than most powerhouses due to lower durability. He's been koed by hercules, hyperion, colossus, ironman, surfer, thor, wolverine, and others. Can you tell me which of those same characters have KOed gladiator?
How does hulk defeat someone whos more durable, has a decent healing factor, has strength close to him, but in addition has versatility, ranged attacks that will do significant damage, and a massive speed advantage? Any hulk below world war hulk would get stomped by gladiator. Gladiator is more than capable of defeating wwh as well considering what hercules, sentry and ironman did to wwh.
Like for instance show the full fight between Thor and daredevil or something as you show the low showings with no context
Why would you want the whole fight when the only part that matters is Thor praising Daredevil's reflexes while failing to tag him? If you want to read the issue i can give you the citation and you can read it yourself, but posting over 14 scans of a fight is just flat out unnecessary. It's Daredevil vol.1 #30.
He fights his opponent on their terms and due to plot he doesn't use all of his powers because if he did he would stomp the hulk
Of course, the only reason why Thor doesn't use his powers is because Hulk would lose. Doesn't sound like a lame excuse at all.
Dude your profanity isn't needed as I treat you with respect and I don't use profanity against you.
S-H-I-T. This word is actually fine by ComicVine rules and i honestly think you're making way too much of a hassle for such a common word in the internet.
This argument is absolutely ridiculous. Thor having trouble tagging daredevil with hammer swings doesn't change the fact that hulk would have even more trouble tagging daredevil with a punch or grabbing him. There's a reason out of all the brick type guys out there, hulk is the most notorious one for using thunderclaps and ground pounds. Hulk is the physically largest as well as the physically slowest out of pretty much every powerhouse out there. He's also the least agile and flexible out of all the powerhouses as well. There's a reason he has to use thunderclaps and ground pounds to tag street levellers, or he has to wait for them to stop attacking him. Moreover, pretty much all the scans passed around as hulks supposed fast combat speed or reflexes involve nothing more than hulk making use of his leaping and jumping speeds. Leaping fast, jumping fast, and running fast are not the same as dodging attacks quickly, as punching or kicking quickly, or moving around in combat quickly. Lastly, characters hold back all the time in comics. I would love to see your evidence that hulk can resist matter manipulation from a weapon or device comparable to mjolnir or silver surfer. I would love to see hulk likewise resist draining from a weapon or device comparable to mjolnir or silver surfer. Moreover, I would love to see evidence of hulk coming close to resisting a godblast, anti matter blast, and so on. Thor brawls with hulk because he likes a good fight, and he likes outmuscling his opponents. He doesn't even use mjolnir or lightning on hulk, even though we know both mjolnir and lightning are far more powerful than punches from someone like thor, hercules or hulk. Mjolnir throws are more powerful than supermans fastest speed blitzes. Lastly thor's beat hulk many times in comics. There isn't a single instance where hulk has knocked out thor, on the contrary thor has outright killed the thing and the hulk in a brawl with no mjolnir, lightning or other powers involved. He has nearly killed hulk with one hammer swing to the face, while thinking he was holding back. He has casually koed hulk with a lightning bolt, the aftershocks of a lightning storm from thor have knocked out hulk. He has also flat out knocked out an amped green scar with one hammer swing. Hulks losses to thor have no relevance in a fight with gladiator. If hulk had tanked or survived ftl hammer throws from thor, or tanked his lightning, then you would have an argument for hulk being capable of handling blitzes from gladiator.
Hulk has been koed by colossus, wolverine, ironman, silver surfer, thor, and hyperion. He was nearly killed by gladiators heat vision. Green scar failed to beat a weakened silver surfer. World war hulk got nearly koed by one punch from hercules, and also stalemated an unstable sentry. So hulk is nowhere near the level you are arguing him of being at. His durability is not comparable to gladiator, nor hyperion, nor other powerhouses. His schtick has always been a strong healing factor, not strong durability. Considering the fact that a stronger hulk as green scar was stalemating unstable sentry and got nearly koed by just one punch from hercules, there is no way he is taking on a gladiator that is using his speed. Gladiators blitzes are going to be more powerful than a punch from hercules. Moreover, that was a holding back hercules as well. If you're arguing that hulk can react to speedsters using their speed or take on speedsters using their speed you need to show examples of him dodging or reacting to blitzing speedsters where we have an idea of how fast they are going. Hulk has absolutely no feats of tagging such characters, as a matter of fact he consistently uses thunderclaps and ground pounds even against street level characters which indicates that his combat speed, reflexes, and agility are slower than thors. Breevort has outright commented that thors reflexes are slightly inferior to wolverines, and has also mentioned that spidermans reflexes are superior to silver surfers. It's pretty obvious that hulk being triple the weight of thor along with double the mass isn't going to be as fast let alone faster. Hulk is known as being fast for his size, but never has he been known nor been shown as having reflexes or combat speed on par with someone like spiderman, captain america or wolverine. Leaping speed is not combat speed, it is travel and movement speed. Leaping speed can be used in combat the same way travel speed can be used in combat, but when we are talking about combat speed that means how fast characters can punch, kick, move their limbs, their reflexes and their agility and mobility. You earlier stated that hulk is somehow massively faster than street levellers in combat speed, do you mind explaining to me why in all of hulks fights with wolverine, we have never seen hulk outspeed or outmaneuver wolverine or even come close to doing so? If hulk has such fast combat speed, he should not be having trouble tagging people like wolverine and should not be fighting evenly with them.
Oh good Gladiator has his nanosecond and galaxy blitz speed back. It's not as if the character's use of speed in combat is pitifully inconsistent or downright non existent during many of the character's fights over the years.
This is irrelevant as you haven't seen all of gladiator's appearances to began with. Moreover, characters here are fighting to the full extent of their capabilities. The only thing hulk can do when he is going all out is punch harder. Not faster. When gladiator goes all out, he can move, punch, and blitz faster. Which means he can hit hulk faster and harder. And can dodge all of hulks attacks.
lol this is typical Gladiator fan lingo, you've literally just made this up. There was never any indication that Kallark was being affected by the radiation until Hulk threw him into the power planet, literally zero. Glads is just a weakling. Get over it.
Scans were already provided showing gladiator was affected by radiation during the fight. Moreover, his heat vision nearly killed hulk, and hulk in that story arc was written at full power.
Because Hulk's durability was inconsistent throughout that time period and was progressively getting worse, he wasn't at the point that a dinosaur could beat him when he fought Glads but IIRC it was after a Missile almost KOed him in his own book.
He had absolutely no durability inconsistencies or nerfs in the gladiator fight. Getting hurt by glads heat vision does not mean his durability was weakened.
Hulk was just playing possum... In fact, earlier in the issue Piotr literally admitted that Hulk didn't even notice being punched by him and got slapped down by one hit to the point that Kitty needed to save him and Piotr himself said as much...
Yeah this argument is ridiculous. One of the number one rules as far as debating is if your argument can be applied to any character in comic history it usually isn't valid. This applies to things like X character being weakened or X character playing possum and so on. First of all, colossus explicitly mentioned using his skill combined with his strength in order to take down the hulk. We then saw hulk KOed on the floor. If you're saying "hulk plays possum, it's normal for hulk to play possum", do you realize that means no character in comic history would ever be knocked out because supposedly, according to you, every character who is clearly knocked out on the floor, can simply be playing possum? I mean the possibilities are endless here. We go off what was shown on panel not on personal speculation about a character somehow being weakened let alone 'playing possum' which is honestly just an excuse. Do you really think every time hulk has been knocked out it's been because he was weakened or playing possum? If you want to use that logic it needs to be applied to all characters in comics equally. It can't selectively be applied to certain characters. And that means Hulk has never in his entire comic history, KOed a single character. Because every single person that hulk supposedly knocked out, was only playing possum because they were afraid of getting beat up further by hulk. So if you want to use the hulk was playing possum argument, that's fine, but that means hulks attacks are literally going to do no damage to gladiator, because hulk hasn't KOed a single person in his entire publication, because everyone he seemed to KO, was simply playing possum or pretending to be KOed so they wouldn't be further hurt. Ergo, hulk doesn't have any feats to indicate he can harm gladiator. The bottom line is Colossus knocked out hulk. Hulk recovered from the knockout thanks to his healing factor. Which is why he told colossus his punches wouldn't be enough to put him down. That's the reason hulks healing factor is there. It's how he was able to recover quickly from being koed by a punch from hercules as well. The thing is, colossus could have kept pummeling hulk once he was knocked out, which would then do a lot more damage and make him knocked out for longer.
This is without taking into account that this was published in 2009 but took place "years ago" in continuity, ergo, pre core breach Hulk still slapped around Piotr like it was nobodies business.
And funnily enough, the guy who wrote this is none other than Chris Claremont, same guy that created Gladiator, wrote most of his appearances and had him stalemate Colossus.
The writer had colossus stalemate gladiator but had him KO the hulk. The writer clearly considers colossus a powerhouse. Stalemating gladiator and koing the hulk isn't inconsistent as hulks durability is lower than gladiators.
Hulk plays possum quite often and the fact that you genuinely think Colossus KOed Hulk here astounds me. But then again you're a Gladiator fan that somehow thinks he's in Hulk's league and selectively replies to what you think you can counter , so no surprise.
Telling people they're fanboys doesn't really help your argument to be honest. Everyone is a fan of a certain character, it could just as easily be argued you're a hulk fan that thinks he is in gladiator's league. Also You need to provide on panel evidence of it being explicitly shown that hulk was playing possum. Are you telling me someone as strong as hulk is so weak that he needs to play possum to fight or beat someone like colossus? That doesn't make sense at all. Characters being knocked out on panel does not mean we assume they were just playing possum. If they are playing possum, it needs to be explicitly stated on panel and shown. Otherwise we can just argue that every character who ever gets knocked out in comics was just playing possum. If we extend that to real life, it would mean boxers or fighters have never been knocked out as it could be argued they were all just playing possum. The same goes with regards to hulk being weakened. He was not weakened in his fight with gladiator. When a character is weakened in a fight, it needs to be shown or stated on panel. Speculation about characters being weakened is pointless because using that method you can argue that any character who is ever knocked out was somehow weakened. We could look at the fight where hyperion KOed hulk and just slap on a label that a weakened hyperion knocked hulk out. Or we could look at all the instances where thor knocked hulk out and just say a weakened thor Koed hulk.
@ghostravage: Oh look daredevil dancing around the hulk.Btw post a low showing for thor that happend 51 years ago is really funny.It isnt a excuse because you think it is.Thor could do so many things to hulk with his hammer like transmute him,godblast,bfr,absorbtion and shrink him.Thors hammer is a hax weapon that thor has never fully utilized when he has fought the hulk.So you saying that im using excuses for why thor loses to hulk is so funny its sad.Btw posting lowshowings that happend 20-51 years ago makes me die of laughter everytime mate.So go on think highly of yourself and get people to hop on your boat mate.Btw if daredevil fighting hulk is PIS to you but daredevil fighting thor isnt than i laugh at your double standards knowing how bias you are towards thor but you give hulk low showings a free pass.Give me another shit arguement and reasoning to debunk mate.
@beastmonster: Against Gladiator he was nowhere near full power. At that time he was the nexus of two universes and the energies flowing through him were slowly killing. Around this time he was hurt by a dinosaur and stabbed by a lamp post, where Deadpool even acknowledges that Hulk shouldn't have been stabbed by that.
@theoriginalone: Amazing thx for telling me context I already knew and btw I aint a boy so dont call me one.Hey look daredevil took two hits from hulk and survived and also danced around him to so congrats you debunked nothing.
@theoriginalone: Amazing thx for telling me context I already knew and btw I aint a boy so dont call me one.Hey look daredevil took two hits from hulk and survived and also danced around him to so congrats you debunked nothing.
you're amazingly ignorant.
do you know what holding back is? and it doesn't matter, hulk still effortlessly tagged, hell backhand slapped him once he got tired of it,and it's literally said that one of those hits almost killed him. compare to thor, who never actually tagged daredevil
@theoriginalone: Amazing thx for telling me context I already knew and btw I aint a boy so dont call me one.Hey look daredevil took two hits from hulk and survived and also danced around him to so congrats you debunked nothing.
you're amazingly ignorant.
do you know what holding back is? and it doesn't matter, hulk still effortlessly tagged, hell backhand slapped him once he got tired of it,and it's literally said that one of those hits almost killed him. compare to thor, who never actually tagged daredevil
And thor was holding back to and that was 51 years ago. When its hulks lowshowings he gets a free pass but when its thor naw hes street level.I already said I knew the context so you jumping in and calling me ignornant for doing the same thing people do to thor is hypocrisy at its finest
Being ignorant and using logic are very different things
@theoriginalone: Amazing thx for telling me context I already knew and btw I aint a boy so dont call me one.Hey look daredevil took two hits from hulk and survived and also danced around him to so congrats you debunked nothing.
you're amazingly ignorant.
do you know what holding back is? and it doesn't matter, hulk still effortlessly tagged, hell backhand slapped him once he got tired of it,and it's literally said that one of those hits almost killed him. compare to thor, who never actually tagged daredevil
And thor was holding back to and that was 51 years ago. When its hulks lowshowings he gets a free pass but when its thor naw hes street level.I already said I knew the context so you jumping in and calling me ignornant for doing the same thing people do to thor is hypocrisy at its finest
Difference is, hulk actually tagged DD when he got annoyed, effortlessly in fact, thor did not.In fact thor specifically notes that he can't.
Being ignorant and using logic are very different things
good thing that there's no logic in your post then
because you're asking a question irrelevant to the actual debate?
you literally asked what would happen if thor used his powers, the actual debate is that thor never actually does use mjolnir's powers, fighting hulk or not, so there's nothing wrong with hulk beating him being used in arguments, at least try before making stupid comments
@battle123axe: Because you think I dont use logic means jack.
Thor didnt have a lot of speed feats 51 years and this happened in daredevils own seris
Like for example batman lasted more than 5 seconds with a kryptonite ring against clark in batmans own storyline.Tell me would that happen in supes own series and would thor having trouble with matt happen in thors own series?
@battle123axe: Because you think I dont use logic means jack.
Thor didnt have a lot of speed feats 51 years and this happened in daredevils own seris
Like for example batman lasted more than 5 seconds with a kryptonite ring against clark in batmans own storyline.Tell me would that happen in supes own series and would thor having trouble with matt happen in thors own series?
@battle123axe: Because you think I dont use logic means jack.
Thor didnt have a lot of speed feats 51 years and this happened in daredevils own seris
Like for example batman lasted more than 5 seconds with a kryptonite ring against clark in batmans own storyline.Tell me would that happen in supes own series and would thor having trouble with matt happen in thors own series?
lol stop embarrassing yourself
Says the guy who uses a spongebob gif and avoids my question but hey im embarrassing myself right.
@beastmonster: Against Gladiator he was nowhere near full power. At that time he was the nexus of two universes and the energies flowing through him were slowly killing. Around this time he was hurt by a dinosaur and stabbed by a lamp post, where Deadpool even acknowledges that Hulk shouldn't have been stabbed by that.
Prove Gladiator is more durable than Hulk?
Has gladiator been KOed or overwhelmed by hercules, ironman, wolverine, hyperion, or colossus? Because Hulk has.
The nexus of two universes, dinosaur and lamp post are irrelevant. I think you're mixing up the issues. None of that occurred in the issue with the gladiator vs hulk fight. Hulk was written at full power in the gladiator fight. There were no lamp posts, no dinosaurs, no nexus of two universes. What other writers do with hulk has no bearing or relevance to the gladiator hulk fight.
Difference is, hulk actually tagged DD when he got annoyed, effortlessly in fact, thor did not.In fact thor specifically notes that he can't.
Hulk was getting overwhelmed by daredevil and only tagged him when daredevil was right in front of him, after daredevil had hit him with his stick. Faster characters have been tagged by slower ones many many times in comics. Regardless, tagging daredevil is nowhere near the speed needed to react to or avoid blitzes from someone as fast as gladiator.
Hulk hamburgers his face. Gladiator has been surprised and hurt by Wolverine. Has been hurt by Colossus. Has been smacked around by Teen Jean Grey. Masterson Thor. Blackbolt. Hulk reacted to him trying to space dump him. He’s been knocked back by Gambit. Cannonball knocked him around. Heimdall reacted, defended and tagged Kallark. Gladiator’s 80% hype with a few high end feats like his 3 hit planet shatter, and his bajillion x infinity flight speed but he gets consistently hurt and thrown around by weaker characters. Hulk has a much higher consistency when dealing with high tier opponents.
lol you're not even bad in the way that others like beastmonster or whoisthebest are, you're just a shitty debater, it's pathetic "debunking" you're arguments as it's so easy, and the fact that there's nothing much to debunk in the first place
In your dreams. I'll be really honest with you, and don't take this personally....but aside from the fact that I don't have the time to do a proper CaV, as well as reasons already mentioned, you are so beneath my skill level its ridiculous. Don't get me wrong; you know all about the Hulk. I don't think anyone in these parts disputes that. But your inability to debate, in an unbiased way, against another character, particularly as it revolves around the issue of reaction speed? Heh, you're not on my level son.
However, given your braggadocio I give you this promise: if my circumstances ever become freer, I will look you up first.
And rip you to shreds in a CaV. Sound fair?
But so you're forewarned; when that day comes.....you can't hang with me son. You haven't not seen me at my best.
In your dreams. I'll be really honest with you, and don't take this personally....but aside from the fact that I don't have the time to do a proper CaV, as well as reasons already mentioned, you are so beneath my skill level its ridiculous. Don't get me wrong; you know all about the Hulk. I don't think anyone in these parts disputes that. But your inability to debate, in an unbiased way, against another character, particularly as it revolves around the issue of reaction speed? Heh, you're not on my level son.
However, given your braggadocio I give you this promise: if my circumstances ever become freer, I will look you up first.
And rip you to shreds in a CaV. Sound fair?
But so you're forewarned; when that day comes.....you can't hang with me son. You haven't not seen me at my best.
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