Vanilla Ice is the white Nick Cannon
Why is Vanilla Ice considered a joke but Eminem is considered ok?
Lol... Robert Van Winkle was never good at anything musically (imo) while Em has shown he is a great lyricist/song writer (when he applies himself), as well as a decent producer.
I actually cant say anything bad about V-Ice though. As one rapper roughly put it, Ice Ice Baby (and the album it was on) sold around 11 million copies, but now everyone wants to say how horrible it is. Some of these same people bought the album...
iam not even a rap fan and i know eminem has skill vanilla ice has jack, hes the gimp of rap music lol
" Vanilla Ice influenced Eminem. "for what it's worth, now he's selling bratwursts in frankfurt.
Just saying that people like Vanilla Ice and Beastie Boys proved to everyone that Black people aren't only ones that rap. Pretty sure Eminem felt influenced by them to do the same thing.
" Dunno if he had the privelage of enjoying Vanilla Ice around the 8 Mile LOL "The movie is loosely based on his life, not entirely.
If u like ICe(vanilla) then thats cool but the reason people frown upon him is because his entire music. as ice was all fraud there was no originality it was all created by execute marketers and etc
if u dont like Em then u dont like Em's Art.
If u dont like Ice then u dont like what some fat cats in a office told him to make.
even Ice hates his Vanilla Era... and feels like he mest up because he was young. and he made a mistake following orders. instead of tryin to make music.
" Well... if your gonna go that way, then what inspired Vanilla Ice? Or the beastie boys? "Rap.
" Just saying that people like Vanilla Ice and Beastie Boys proved to everyone that Black people aren't only ones that rap. Pretty sure Eminem felt influenced by them to do the same thing. "Third Bass as well.
Has anyone else seen Nostalgia Critic's review of the Vanilla Ice movie? XDDD That came to mind while reading this thread XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzXI_ApY4dY" @Gambler: Who are they? "
I get sick of people claiming that Vanilla Ice ripped off queen and deserve what he "Got with To The Extreme" Hip Hop always was and still is a genre that samples other peoples music. A tribe called quest did it, N.W.A did, MC Hammer did, everybody does it. Its common practise! Eminems first hit "my name is" was also a sample from a different song. The difference is Vanilla Ice was 16 when he wrote the song and the company that signed him didn't get the rights, then everyone makes a big deal about it.
Vanilla Ice has loads of accomplishments! He was nominated for 4 American music awards, he won 2, nominated for a Grammy, Won a "peoples choice award", Won a Juno etc..
I would not argue that he is more skilled lyrically. but he holds his own. Vanilla Ice is an actual musician, He plays bass, guitar, drums and does scratches. Eminem is strictly a talented lyricist, he does play any instruments, does not write music and is has no flair for producing. Vanilla Ice is talented in all areas of Hip Hop, He is a break dancer, beat boxer, producer and does scratches. Vanilla Ice is 100% Hip Hop, all five elements are present in his work. It not fair to compare Eminem on strictly lyrical skills. On the whole Vanilla Ice is a better artist.
Ice has the best live shows in the business and the sickest flow. He know as "being able to rap over anything"
Vanilla Ice has the highest selling Hip Hop Album of all time with forty thousand records sold. He has the fastest selling record of all time. He is not a one hit wonder. "play that funky music" charted as well as "Satisfaction", "Cool As Ice", "Get Wit it", "Ninja Rap", "Rollin in my 5.0" and "Stop that Train"His newest cd "Wisdom, Tenacity, Focus" (which is only available online) just went platinum on Itunes, with next to no promotion.
Vanilla Ice has always been at the forefront of every hip hop trend. His sampling of Queen brought attention to other artists to get permission before sampling, He use of rock samples were years before there time. He sampled the Rolling stones, James brown and AC/DC.
Before Snoop Doggy Dogs break through album, "doggy style" came out Vanilla Ice was touring for two years playing his g-funk infused songs which eventually came out on his cd called "Mind Blowin"
All his disks have been fresh and original music, never copying recent trends but always blazing forward.
He was the one who broke the game open for white rappers, before him, rap labels would never take a chance on white MCs.
Vanilla Ice is also an actor, he has played many small parts over the years and just finished playing captain hook on broadway (where he got rave reviews) and is co-staring on the new Adam Sandler film "Thats my boy"
Little know fact: Vanilla Ice was offered a contract by Def Jam for 50,000, but she signed with SBK for one million.
His down fall was simply the marketing that his label did. He should not have put the MC hammer pants on or allowed his image to be on dolls and lunch boxes.
When he first got started he toured with N.W.A, B.D.P, Public Enemy, Ice T, and others. He dressed totally different and played in black clubs. http://www.finehomeslv.com/las_vegas_nightclubs/gallery-nightclub/ice-t-vanilla-ice-gallery.jpg
Vanilla Ice is legit!
Take a look at a couple of his best songs:
Eminem was named "best selling artist of the decade",He had 13 #1 singles,He has an academy award for 8 Mile,3 MTV Movie Awards,14 American music awards,12 Billboard awards,3 BRIT awards,13 grammys,and 2 Junos.Vanilla Ice has loads of accomplishments! He was nominated for 4 American music awards, he won 2, nominated for a Grammy, Won a "peoples choice award", Won a Juno etc..
@Solitair said:
You're basically saying Vanilla Ice is better for things that actually don't have anything to do with the quality of his work.Playing instruments,beat boxing,producing and DJ'ing are all well in good but being able to do those things doesn't change the fact that more people would rather listen to Eminem than Vanilla Ice.I would not argue that he is more skilled lyrically. but he holds his own. Vanilla Ice is an actual musician, He plays bass, guitar, drums and does scratches. Eminem is strictly a talented lyricist, he does play any instruments, does not write music and is has no flair for producing. Vanilla Ice is talented in all areas of Hip Hop, He is a break dancer, beat boxer, producer and does scratches. Vanilla Ice is 100% Hip Hop, all five elements are present in his work. It not fair to compare Eminem on strictly lyrical skills. On the whole Vanilla Ice is a better artist.
@Solitair said:
This is false.First of all you're under selling Vanilla Ice.His highest selling rap album sold well over 40 thousand but on the list of highest selling Hip-Hop albums of all time, he doesn't even rank in the top 10 let alone being #1.One that same list Eminem appears twice for two different albums.Vanilla Ice IS a one hit wonder.Ice Ice Baby is the only single he's ever had that topped the Hip\Pop charts.I'm going to assume the thing about his new album going platinum is probably false as well.Vanilla Ice has the highest selling Hip Hop Album of all time with forty thousand records sold. He has the fastest selling record of all time. He is not a one hit wonder. "play that funky music" charted as well as "Satisfaction", "Cool As Ice", "Get Wit it", "Ninja Rap", "Rollin in my 5.0" and "Stop that Train"His newest cd "Wisdom, Tenacity, Focus" (which is only available online) just went platinum on Itunes, with next to no promotion.
@Solitair said:
Right...it was the marketing.Not the wack lyrics and music people don't feel.His down fall was simply the marketing that his label did. He should not have put the MC hammer pants on or allowed his image to be on dolls and lunch boxes.
I love how people who clearly don't listen to hip-hop feel the need to have feelings about hip-hop artists.lol never liked Eminem...the guy has skills with "rapping" but that's it, he always mocks people in his songs(and I can't stand that) and once he mocked Christopher Reeve I just lost all respect for the guy...
Vanilla Ice TMNT II>>>Eminem lol
@CortSether: Sorry I'm two years late. Erm... Vanilla Ice may have done the catchy tunes but on stage he was basically trying to be Madonna with a pimp-limp. When the NWA and Public Enemy, RUN DMC and the likes were at the fore of hard hitting rap music, the only other people like Vanilla Ice were New Kids On The Block and a shitload of desperate wannabes not realising how gay the look was. Hence why Mark Walhberg was more successful after being fired from NKB for bad behaviour...
Considering the only music fans that wanted their sweaty balls slapped against their foreheads live on stage were mostly pre-teens, that act was never gonna be taken seriously. Especially with a hairstyle championed by Grace Jones. Claiming Vanilla Ice came from the streets also didn't help his credibility, especially in the eyes of his rich kid school friends. And his accent was faked.
Whereas, Eminem was the only white boy noteworthy of being racially integrated into the then mainstream of rap/Hip Hop/whateva rather than being dismissed by them and earned respect touring with the likes of Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre because he was entertaining, his lyrics were considered relevant. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less about either of them, I just had to sit through their careers wondering why... why... WHY????
Vanilla Ice lied about his roots, which he later admitted to be concocted by the industry. Although his work was all right (for the time), it's really no comparison. Eminem is all right, but I also think he's legitimate.
I don't much like either of them (not much into rap) though I will say I REALLY dig two of eminem's songs. I'd say ONE of the problems is that V tried to portray himself as some sort of hard core rapper from the streets and he was actually a middle class kid from somewhere in Florida. Eminem actually was a hard core street kid from Detroit and the "edge" to his songs was real and "earned" so to speak. I'm not the best person to respond to this since this isn't really my area of expertise. I DO know just from personal taste that ONE Vanilla Ice song I heard I always thought was silly and kind of aimless, and most of Eminem's (even though I don't like most of it) has some sort of point. That's my one cent, because I don't know enough about this to have two cents here ;)
The Real Slim Shady >>>>> Ice Ice Baby
Guilty Conscience feat Dr. Dre >>>>>> Ninja Rap
Without Me >>>>>> N/A
Stan feat Dido >>>>>>> N/A
Purple Pills feat D12 >>>>>> N/A
and those are just singles... lyrically Eminem blows him out of the water as well.
Because the industry wants you to look at Em and think "Wow! A white rapper?! How unique!". You can't have too many or the shock value isn't really there, now is it?
Whoever says Em is more "genius" than Vanilla Ice doesn't know what the what the hell they are talking about. Eminem has the most whack lyrics and is constantly talking about the same sh*t over and over again. Him, Wayne, Drake , Jay, Kanye and basically anyone else who rhymes like a 6 year old toddler aren't even worth listening to IMO.
say what ? so are you gonna say that The Slim Shady LP wasn't that good ? or that The Marshall Mathers LP wasn't that good ? so what Eminem says a lot of the same things over and over again... almost every commercial hip hop artist is like that... and just because Eminem is not good now doesn't mean he was always wack... Classic Slim Shady ( circa 1997 - 2002 ) >>>>>>> Vanilla Ice... and trying to defend it like it's not so is absurd boy boy...Because the industry wants you to look at Em and think "Wow! A white rapper?! How unique!". You can't have too many or the shock value isn't really there, now is it?
Whoever says Em is more "genius" than Vanilla Ice doesn't know what the what the hell they are talking about. Eminem has the most whack lyrics and is constantly talking about the same sh*t over and over again. Him, Wayne, Drake , Jay, Kanye and basically anyone else who rhymes like a 6 year old toddler aren't even worth listening to IMO.
Listen to eminem infinite then listen to any of Vanilla Ice's songs. It's like comparing a Desert eagle to a broken super soaker.
So I take it you don't listen to Hip-Hop?Because the industry wants you to look at Em and think "Wow! A white rapper?! How unique!". You can't have too many or the shock value isn't really there, now is it?
Whoever says Em is more "genius" than Vanilla Ice doesn't know what the what the hell they are talking about. Eminem has the most whack lyrics and is constantly talking about the same sh*t over and over again. Him, Wayne, Drake , Jay, Kanye and basically anyone else who rhymes like a 6 year old toddler aren't even worth listening to IMO.
@Deranged Midget said:
Not a fan of Eminem's newer stuff, but's its good regardless.
Same, current Eminem can still rap, but the lyrics and things he talks about don't interest me, and its all serious now.
I think both are huge tools, but the OP title alone shows how musically retarded people can be. Shocking.
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