Topic.
Seriously, I enjoy Vanilla Ice's music quite a bit. But, Eminem/Slim Shady/Fatboy Slim/whatever he calls himself is terrible imo.
I know so many people that make fun of Vanilla Ice calling him a 'wanna-be white rapper' yet listen to Eminem as if it's supposed to be different somehow.
What gives?
Why is Vanilla Ice considered a joke but Eminem is considered ok?
" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "All Eminem does is whine about his mother.
" @Sexy Merc said:I'm sorry if you think that because I could only think of a few songs he mentions his mom. If you think that's all he raps about, you clearly don't listen to him." Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "All Eminem does is whine about his mother. "
" @CortSether said:I think a rap battle between Vanilla Ice and Eminem would be In VI's favor. (^_^)" @Sexy Merc said:I'm sorry if you think that because I could only think of a few songs he mentions his mom. If you think that's all he raps about, you clearly don't listen to him. "" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "All Eminem does is whine about his mother. "
" Troll thread denied. "I've been here close to a year you should know I don't make troll threads.
eminem has won grammy's and oscar's and is a genuine rapper. while it's true that dr dre can make any punk look like the real thing, eminem has the skill and the genius to stay. Vanilla Ice had like one hit, eminem has had tons. and he doesn't just whine about his mom. listen to Mosh or Toy Soldiers or Stan or Lose Yourself. then tell me what songs VI has written that even puts him in the same level of talent.
Based on what? Its cool that you like Ice, not trying to dismiss your opinion but Eminem can actually string together lyrics in a stylish and creative manner. He's already known as an accomplished freestyle battle rapper. Ice has never proven anything other then cashing in on the whole repetitive hook style. His most famous song's beat was already a hit years before he rapped over it. He's a One Hit Wonder with no shred of established creditability whatsoever. Wasn't he on that VH1 reality show? I mean come on :P" I think a rap battle between Vanilla Ice and Eminem would be In VI's favor. (^_^) "
" Topic.Okay dude
Seriously, I enjoy Vanilla Ice's music quite a bit. But, Eminem/Slim Shady/Fatboy Slim/whatever he calls himself is terrible imo.
I know so many people that make fun of Vanilla Ice calling him a 'wanna-be white rapper' yet listen to Eminem as if it's supposed to be different somehow.
What gives?
"
Vanilla Ice's "film" Cool As Ice
One scene from Eminem's 8 Mile (which was applauded by virtually everyone who reviewed it, including the nigh-impossible-to-impress Roger Ebert) (scratch that, still a great sound though)
It has nothing to do with race dude
Listen to that wordplay, flow, and all around...deliciousness:
I need not add a video of Ice's Songs, because frankly, I don't know any songs by Ice and I don't want to have to search through all of them, and The Cool As Ice review tells you everything you need to know :p
You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this.
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.
Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...
Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`.
" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this.Whats "genius" about this? If Ice was a true lyrical genius he would still be making hits or at the very least have a strong underground following. You do know that he switched up and became a "rocker" right?
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knowck on the door Who is it?
Kim, ocmin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.
Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...
Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`. "
thanx :D" @gobstakid777: Nice. 8mile was tight. "
@CortSether said:
You know what dude, I'm not going to try to convince you that Eminem is better than Vanilla Ice. I can not change your opinion. My own personal opinion is that Em is better, but that's me. If you feel different, there's nothing I can do to change that. It's quite obvious you're a VI fan. Don't worry dude. I think Scary Movie 3 is the funniest SM. Most people say it's the worse, but I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this.
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.
Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...
Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`. "
i'm sorry, but those sound like an seventh grader wrote those. and the flow is just aweful. it's like bad early nineties rap/pop...wait a minute.......
Sounds like he hired a prostitute and wrote it down in his diary :p" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this.
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.
Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...
Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`. "
Not even one of his best, but the lyrics are far greater, much more intelligent with a greater beat.
" @CortSether: i'm sorry, but those sound like an seventh grader wrote those. and the flow is just aweful. it's like bad early nineties rap/pop...wait a minute....... "Hey! 90s everything was awesome! Can't touch this!
Ha...Sorry...But this thread fails...Eminem is seriously legit.First off- his lyrics and freestyle are off the hook.He is one of the best in the biz in that categorie where as Vanilla Ice is more widely known for a song where he repeated the same thing over again...Just go listen to the two's music and then tell me who is better...And look at how Vi dresses...I mean come on!!!LOL...Eminem is just a much better rapper.Plus now VI is a Juggalo who always has that retarded necklace on...
" @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now? "Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now.
" Didn't Vanilla Ice go rock for a while too? "Yup.
@CortSether: Not gonna lie, I liked "Ice Ice Baby" back in the day. And still listen to "Cant Touch This."
" @CortSether said:Hm. Well perhaps Eminem really is technically a better rapper. I'll try listening to some other things of his but all the songs I hear of his on the radio have to do with mommy issues and it got really old after a while. Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s." @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now? "Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now. "
" @Gambler said:You're not the only one. I miss Blues Clues. And Little Bear. And FAce!" @CortSether said:Hm. Well perhaps Eminem really is technically a better rapper. I'll try listening to some other things of his but all the songs I hear of his on the radio have to do with mommy issues and it got really old after a while. Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s. "" @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now? "Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now. "
*goes through Nostalgia*
@Gambler said:
@Lady Tlieso said:
Me too dude. They are some good dance songs" Didn't Vanilla Ice go rock for a while too? "Yup.
@CortSether: Not gonna lie, I liked "Ice Ice Baby" back in the day. And still listen to "Cant Touch This." "
" Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s. "Hahaha who doesn't? Fresh Prince, Yo MTV Raps, Jim Lee art, Death Row, Tupac & Biggie, Bill Clinton, Dolly The Cloned Sheep, Ninja Turtles, Playstation, etc etc :P
dude... I'M a nineties child too. i remember when vanilla ice got famous because he stole a beat from Queen. i also remember when eminem dropped his first LP and the world stood in awe. Vanilla Ice burned out over a decade ago. Eminem has been going strong since 99 and his four follow up albums are all groundbreaking. he proved to the world that not all white boys are like vanilla ice.
Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock.
he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids,
ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills,
Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well.
" Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock. he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids, ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills, Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well. "I agree and disagree. Ice was never as popular or as successful as Eminem. As someone pointed out up above, Eminem broke out in 99. He's career/longevity has already surpassed the length of Ice's who was "in" for maybe, maybe two years tops.
I honestly can't tell you why.Em is more of a joke than Vanilla.I think it's more because Vanilla Ice was a white Hammer knock off.Alot of people know that if Eminem really wants to he can spit with the best of them.So that might be why they let him slide.The majority of his albums are no different thatn Weird Al's though.A bunch of name dropping and celebrity call outs.It's corny.I'm tired of hearing about his daughter,i'm sick of his tough guy act,and i'm sick of the psychotic act and the dressing up and costumes\buffonery.They are both wack,but Eminem has nothing to rap about and he knows it.His verse on "Without Me" clearly explains why nobody should take him seriously..besides his beefs with mediocre MC's and other celebrities.
i didnt say Ice was as popular as Eminem is now. in fact i said otherwise.
though it could be said the genre he was trying to break into wasnt as popular than as well.
the question posed by the OP was " Why is Vanillia Ice regarded as a joke and Eminem is not "
i was answering him and that question. my reasoning was for one that Vaniila Ice was popular then
while Eminem is now. it is simple math. i did not make a direct comparison about the level of said popularity, nor who was/is more popular than the other.
I guess it all boils down to peoples opinions in the end. And the truth is, people regard Eminem more highly than they regard Vanilla Ice.
@CATMANEXE said:" @Gambler: i didnt say Ice was as popular as Eminem is now. in fact i said otherwise. though it could be said the genre he was trying to break into wasnt as popular than as well. the question posed by the OP was " Why is Vanillia Ice regarded as a joke and Eminem is not " i was answering him and that question. my reasoning was for one that Vaniila Ice was popular then while Eminem is now. it is simple math. i did not make a direct comparison about the level of said popularity, nor who was/is more popular than the other. "
This implies that the only reason Ice is more of a joke then Em is because of the era. What I was saying is that even in his era Ice was never as popular/accomplished, whatever word you want to use, as Eminem. Even when Ice was relevant it was only for a short duration. Although its not spelled out in the OP, I think reading between the lines we all know what he is asking. Why is "and was" Vanilla Ice (a white rapper) regarded as a joke, while another white rapper is held in such high esteem. He even says how his friend diss Ice for being a "wannabe" yet listen to Eminem. You say Ice was popular then, and Eminem is popular now, but as I said, Ice's then lasted about two years, while Eminem's now has lasted over 10. There are rappers from the same time period who are still making hits so its not like the reason Ice is a joke is because of the era. Its because he had one hit song and then made an ass of himself." Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock. he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids, ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills, Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well. "
" guys as retarded as CortSether sounds right now (no offense by VI sucks as a rapper and anyone that says he is good sounds stupid) its his opinion and i respect it, i personally dont like Eminem his voice is annoying "Hey, I can like Vanilla Ice's music without being retarded! :D
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