I just finished Jedi: Fallen Order today. I want to discuss a character that intrigued me the most, being a huge fan of Dathomir, Nightsisters, and Darth Maul: Merrin. Exactly how powerful is this character? We see her use crazy abilities only seen by the likes of characters such as Mother Talzin and Old Daka. This is substantial because those are the two most powerful Nightsisters, one even a direct rival to Sidious. She can manipulate massive objects via telekinesis, subdue Malicos with some sort of pressure, cloak herself and others, have the ground beneath Malicos absorb him, launch Magick projectiles, teleport, resurrect the dead, and even control the Nightbrothers. She hasn't shown use of Mother Talzin abilties such as: shield, beams, lightning, ability to conjure objects out of thin air, create physical mass, restore sanity and power, use Voodoo to nearly kill a Sith Lord, put beings to sleep by tapping their forehead, and create a sword that can clash against lightsabers. Now, obviously this is clear. Mother Talzin is much more experienced and a rival to Sidious, but the fact that Merrin has the abilities she does at such a young age, and even many Talzin doesn't, speaks volumes to her potential. How powerful do you guys think she is or can become?
Who wins? One of the greatest Jedi of the Order and first to face a Sith Lord after a thousand years or an Order 66 Jedi survivor who fell to the darkside?
"You are a god! If you kill me, you'll be just like everybody else!"
"What's so wrong with that?"
"No!"
Ego to Star-Lord ~ Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2.
I will not go over Celestial Star-Lord here, that deserves a thread of its own.
I will go over the following categories:
Equipment
Skills/Tactics
Physicality
Feats
Equipment:
Quad Blasters: "Quill carries dual direct energy weapons in the form of handguns. They each have two triggers for the index and middle finger for the top and bottom barrel respectively, with the bottom barrel shooting lightning and the top barrel shooting fiery bolts or blasts. While the fire-like blast on the top barrel is lethal, killing its live targets on impact and even sends the target flying backwards with great force, the bottom barrel produces streaks of nonlethal electricity to electrocute its targets and incapacitate them." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Energy Bolas: "A hi-tech version of an ancient throwing weapon made of weights on the ends of an interconnected energy cord, designed to capture targets by entangling their legs." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Hadron Enforcer: "Designed and built by Rocket Raccoon, the Enforcer shoots a concentrated bolt of nuclear explosive force that only detonates on its target. The mass and size of the target determine how large the explosion will be. Rocket claimed it could destroy a moon." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Helmet: "Quill wears a helmet that shows threats on HUD and has internal comm systems. The helmet allows him to breathe in the vacuum of space. When he presses the button on the side of his head, light blue energy wraps around his face and the back of his head and becomes the helmet." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Jet Boot Attachments: "Quill has jets that he attaches to his boots to make jet boots, while he activates them with buttons on his leg. The jet attachments can rotate in any direction and can be used to propel him through the air at great speed, though they do not allow for sustained flight and only allow him to jump and briefly float for several feet. They can also be used in flying in deep space due to the lack of gravity and weight removing the limitations they experience in environments of normal gravity." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Aero-Rigs: "Quill uses one of Rocket Raccoon's jet-pack like devices to seamlessly fly through the air, giving him great mobility in combat. Unlike his jet boot, Aero-Rig allows Quill sustained flight to any altitude." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Plasma Sphere: "One of Peter Quill's gadgetry and weapons is a glass-like ball that much like a glowstick, lit up when shook. It was dangerous when shattered, as it could ensnare and disintegrate living creatures in a cloud of its released plasma, though it quickly diminishes." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Holo-Map Projector: "Part of his arsenal and tools is a holographic device given him by the Broker, Quill able to project and Holographic Map on the planet Morag of the size of a football field and projects what was there before, even people moving around. Quill scanned the ruined temple area of Morag and could identify the creatures and people living their before. It could also highlight a certain area red to show Star-Lord where it detects a certain object. This is how Quill knew to go up the temple stairs to find the Orb." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Gravity Mine: "A device that could exert greater amounts of the force of gravity on a designated object and gravitate it towards itself was in Quill's possession. It can generate gravity as powerful as a planet and pull something to itself as if the object were in a planet's orbit. If it is not programmed to pull a certain object while active, it will pull everything in a 1-foot radius towards itself at great speed." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Unnamed Electric Mine: A mine that--when activated--creates an explosion of electricity. It was used against Thanos during the Battle on Titan.
Unnamed Grenade: A powerful device that is non lethal, used to incapacitate or disorient. It was used against Iron Man, Spider Man, and Doctor Strange on Titan during a scuffle between the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy.
Skills/Tactics:
Expert Combatant: "Quill is highly trained in close-quarters combat, both in armed and hand-to-hand combat. He was even able to stand his ground against Gamora, the finest assassin trained by Thanos, in a fist fight. He uses his two blasters as melee weapons to strike and knock his foes unconscious with a hard strike to the head with great skill. He was able to easily take down multiple Nova Corps, Kyln, and Sakaaran soldiers by striking them with the blasters. Quill also managed to easily subdue and hold the superhuman, but inexperienced Spider-Man at gunpoint during their brief skirmish, as well as dodge blasts sent at him by Thanos using the Power Stone and even plant an explosion on Thanos himself, although he did have aid from Doctor Strange's use of Eldritch Magic to conjure platforms, which helped him maneuver through Thanos' attacks and plant the device." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Master Tactician: "Quill is an exceptional tactician, as shown when after finding Iron Man's plan to suck, Quill took the lead and made his own plan to stop Thanos and was nearly successful until he broke the group’s hold on him after going into a rage on learning Gamora’s death. He also played a key role in fighting and coordinating strategy during the Battle of Xandar." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Expert Marksman: "Quill is well-versed in the use of weapons from all over the galaxy, but he prefers using his own Quad Blasters, which he is shown to be accomplished with. He also handled a Kyln Guard's rifle, a weapon he was not believed to have ever seen before, and easily shot and destroyed a drone with it. He even accurately shot Spider-Man during their skirmish and trapped him long enough to hold him at gunpoint." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Expert Pilot: "Quill is an accomplished starship pilot. He has used this skill to escape Korath and his men on Morag." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Also worthy of note, is that Quill flew his ship through an asteroid field, where Drax said in order to do-so he would have to be the greatest pilot in the universe. Drax is a very serious guy. Rocket and Quill both claimed to be the best and got in each other's way, but still managed to make it through. In the end, Gamora--the daughter of Thanos--said: "Either one of you could have gotten us through that field, had you flied with what's between your ears instead of what's between your legs."
Physicality:
Celestial-Human Hybrid Physiology: "Due to his heritage, he is part Celestial and part human, giving him superhuman abilities. Even while not having awakened his celestial power, Quill had enough power to briefly survive while holding the Power Stone on his own and after awakening his full power, was able to challenge his father, a true Celestial, who had easily subdued the other Guardians. Although he seems to have lost his cosmic powers after Ego died, Quill retained his superhuman physical powers." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Superhuman Durability: "Due to his paternal heritage from Ego, Quill holds considerable amounts of supernatural durability and endurance to the point that he even was able to physically withstand the exposure to the energy from an Infinity Stone. He held the Power Stone for a short length of time without dying and was able to harness its power when sharing the burden with the other Guardians. Quill himself also noted that he was able to survive numerous injuries while working for the Ravagers, though none were implausible enough to raise any suspicion. When he fought Ego, he was able to withstand Ego's attacks and only had minor injuries at the end of the fight. Later, Quill managed to survive a shockwave from Thanos using the Infinity Gauntlet and quickly recovered." ~ Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki
Feats:
Star-Lord uses his skill and Quad Blasters to dominate prison guards in both melee and ranged combat:
Star-Lord uses his Quad Blasters to shred Ego's human avatar:
Star Lord using his equipment and skill against alien soldiers:
Star-Lord flooring Korath with his Quad Blasters:
Star-Lord very briefly overpowering Iron Man:
Star-Lord using his Gravity Mine to overpower Thanos' right arm:
Star-Lord knocking Gamora out with a non lethal shot from his Quad Blaster:
Star-Lord sends Spider Man flying with a kick:
Star-Lord takes multiple hits from Gamora without any injury:
Star-Lord uses a grenade to knock out Spider Man, while stunning and rag dolling Dr. Strange and Iron Man:
Round 1: Avengers as depicted in the first two Avengers films vs the Guardians as depicted in Volumes 1 and 2 of their films (excluding Celestial Star-Lord). Avengers team: Iron-Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye. Guardians team: Star-Lord, Gamora, Drax, Rocket Raccoon, and Groot.
Round 2: Avengers get new members such as Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Spider Man. Guardians get Yondu, Nebula, and Mantis. All characters involved are at their peaks now (including Celestial Star-Lord).
Who wins what round(s), and why? Earth's mightiest defenders or the guardians of the galaxy?
Yes, I know this thread already exists. However, I wanted to add my own spin to it.
Bonus: which movie do you guys prefer? The Avengers 2012 or Guardians of the Galaxy 2014?
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