Religion… What do you think?

If God creating the universe is a fictional explanation, then what is the non-fiction, factual explanation?

If people wanna believe in it, that's cool, it would just be nice if everyone acknowledged the foundational uncertainty of their own beliefs.

@hittheassasin: what if you are certain?

He's probably an active member of r/atheism, the dude just called generalized Christians as pedos smh.

the discussions here are intense ngl. good read

In his defense, denominations where men abstain from marriage do tend to be guilty of that. In my experience, most atheists did not start out atheist but rather they see a lot of hypocrisy in religion and it fuels their anger and distrust, and rightfully so. Ive noticed speaking to atheists, typically they are the first to revert to insults and frustration. They also tend to point out the mistakes and failings of religious institutions as evidence of no God (which doesnt really work but I digress) That indicates that its not all about facts to them, and that there’s emotional undertones and perhaps even hurt behind their argument. I wager this guy probably has a story as to why he believes the way he does (not saying what he says is correct, he definitely isn’t)

the multitude depictions of Jesus

“Nothing in Joshua 7 is supporting what you are saying. You are literally adding your own ideas to the Scriptures to try and fit your own Narrative.”

It has been repeated to you over and over again that Joshua 7:10-14 provided instructions to Joshua to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and undergo the sanctification process overnight. From there, it was just a very clear and logical extension to draw that Joshua told the Jewish camp something different from what God told him, as an explanation for Achan still having the accursed object the next morning, as he showed a willingness to do what was required, as the result of him truthfully describing to Joshua where the accursed object was sitting. I pointed out how Joshua had a tendency to state Commands from God differently from what they were expressed to him, where I pointed to an example from Joshua 6, as an explanation for the accursed object not having been destroyed. These observations was then in refutation of your claim that God hadn't provided an opportunity to Achan to destroy the accursed object and then receive His mercy.

Your attempts to claim otherwise is what then resulted in iteration after iteration describing how Joshua 7:10-14 had shown God providing Achan with an opportunity to destroy the accursed object and to ask for His forgiveness. This is just a clear fact laid out from a reading of the Bible text shown within Joshua 7:10-14 no matter how many times an iteration is required to show that God's character is consistent with what the Bible teaches of it.

“Achan did not defy or forgo God's attempt as Mercy as God gave him No Chance at it.”

God told Joshua in Joshua 7:10-14 to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and undergo the sanctification process overnight. Undergoing the sanctification process is where Achan was to confess his sin and ask for God's forgiveness. That's a clear display of mercy. Either Achan defied God or Joshua said something different to the Jewish camp than what God told him to say to the Jewish camp, as the best two explanations for Achan still having the accursed object the next morning. But, Achan clearly had a chance to receive mercy from God's vantage point.

“Joshua 7 is Clear that God wanted whoever is caught with the Accursed Thing dead and God knew Achan thought he was getting away with the Sin.”

That's not what we see within Joshua 7:10-14, as shows God reaffirming His desire that the accursed object be destroyed and the person guilty of the folly of retaining the accursed object after being told to destroy it to undergo sanctification overnight, after destroying the accursed object; the broadcast to the Jewish camp was God's alert to the guilty party that they hadn't gotten away with retaining the accursed object, but providing that person an opportunity to destroy it and then undergo sanctification overnight; the Bible verses just couldn't be any clearer for you.

“God showed No Mercy. Once Achan confessed his Sin then God could have told Joshua and the Israelites to stay their Hand just like he did Abraham with Isaac and the potential sacrifice in Genesis but this did not happen.”

God showed mercy in Joshua 7:10-14, when He told Joshua to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process before the next morning. God's instructions had built within it what was to be done, had the guilty party still had the accursed object within their possession the next morning despite being told to destroy the accursed object overnight and to undergo the sanctification process. A person choosing to defy those instructions isn't a display of God not having shown mercy; instead of defiance, it appears that Joshua failed to pass to the Jewish camp the same instructions that God passed along to him.

This isn't the same thing as Abraham and Issac, because of the way the instructions were different from those provided to Joshua, based on the differences in the two situations. Issac was linked to God's promises, while Achan was not; Issac was innocent, while Achan was not; God's direct Command was for the destruction of the accursed object, not its preservation; Abraham was in the process of directly following all of the instructions from God, where Achan's behavior and Joshua's tendencies make changes to God's actual instructions show that he might not have fully complied with God's instructions; thus, departing from those instructions left it Joshua's responsibility to show mercy, as Achan appears to have been oblivious of the fact that the accursed object was supposed have been destroyed before the next morning; he appeared to believe that burying it was sufficient to satisfy what he thought were God's instructions; or, Achan defied God, where he bypassed his opportunity to receive God's mercy; thus, there would have been no reason, at all, for God to prevent Joshua for carrying out His judgment, in response to being defied, after He had given the individual and opportunity to destroy the object and then undergo sanctification; there would be no similarity between an innocent toddler in the form of Issac and Achan the defier or as someone who openly defied God, while bypassing His attempt to show him mercy; Achan was otherwise guilty as charged here and whatever other sins.

“Nope, if you read Joshua 7 through you will not come away with God showing Mercy. Mercy to whom ? Achan did not receive it ? Nor did Israel when they tried to go up to fight their enemies prior and God was not with them over this Sin.”

Yes, and again, some people accept the free gift of Eternal Salvation but some people just refuse to, even though all that's required is to confess all of your sins, both known and unknown, profess that you believe that Jesus died and rose again for your sins, and then ask Him into your heart; for some reason, many people just will not do that, but are willing to compete for employment which is immensely more involved and complicated, seeing it as the logical thing to do.

The text shown in Joshua 7:10-14 shows us the chance for Achan to receive God's mercy was overnight, where he was directed to first destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process. Because of Achan's actions, it caused a blip which lead to the Israelites loosing a battle which then caused Joshua to become furious; thus, likely, in his fury, he failed to provide complete instructions and then took out his revenge on Achan, which is the better explanation for what likely happened, as to Achan being seemingly oblivious of the fact that he was supposed to have destroyed the accursed object the previous night, where he thought burying it was sufficient to getting rid of it, which it was, except Joshua had to show him mercy; Joshua knew from back in Joshua 6 that God's message to get rid of it still meant to destroy it; however, this still leaves us presuming about Joshua actual instructions to the Jewish camp as compared to God's instructions to him for the Jewish camp.

This is clearly the more logical position to take whether than to accused God of displaying personality traits that are simply inconsistent with what the Bible teaches and shows of God throughout the very vast majority of the Book, as opposed to these few incidents that are clearly taken out of context, at best (e.g. where everything culminates in His dying for our sins so that we may be forgiven, in the event that be believe that He died for our sins, rose again on the third day, confess our sins, ask Jesus into our hearts, and then be sealed until the Day of Redemption by the Holy Spirit's Seal of Eternal Salvation, as the mirror image of the upcoming Mark of the Beast for those who bypassed this opportunity and thus aren't Raptured; I've taken my opportunity long ago; because Jesus' righteousness is imputed upon us who took these steps, trying to prick to God's possible reactions to works is irrelevant, as the works of people who haven't believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and accepted Him as their Lord and Savior are otherwise the equivalent of filthy rags to God, during this time of Dispensation of Grace; but, God's Judgment to the lost will still be absolute justice, at the Great White Throne of Judgment; Jesus's Judgment to us true Christians at the Judgment Seat of Christ will also be just, but it will be concerning our rewards instead of our salvation, which has already been secured via the Eternal Seal of Salvation from the Holy Spirit).

“It is a contradiction though of the Nature of God as God is not quite as Forgiving as you would like to think he is.”

God's nature of forgiveness and compassion is shown in Joshua 7:10-14. where He provides the guilty party the opportunity to destroy the accursed object and then undergo sanctification overnight rather than the instructions to just met out punishment; her, it was Joshua who manipulated the situation so that he could soothe his fury of losing one battle, as the best possible explanation for what happened; but, there is still the chance that Achan had defied God despite His clearly displayed willingness to extend His mercy.

“That's still Jehovah talking to Joshua.”

Sure, so if Joshua failed to carry out God's Command and instructions that the matter is on Joshua; but, the broadcast from Joshua 7:10-14 was to instruct the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then undergo sanctification overnight.

“The Reader needs to start with Joshua 7:1 not Joshua 7:10. Why would you start in the middle of the Story if you want full context ?”

Because the discussion had started with everyone under an illusion created from inadvertently reading past Joshua 7:10-14 to then start discussion misinformation created by that illusion, meaning that we knew the event described in Joshua 7, already. Joshua 7:10-14 was the solution to the problem that which had came to me from the Holy Spirit, after He'd directed me to someone who didn't make this same reading mistake and had resolved this problem (e.g. this was clearly explained to you in several iterations).

Joshua 7:1 going forward explains how Joshua became furious after having lost a battle and also helps to explain or support my position for why Achan still had the accursed object by the next morning. Thus, it was Joshua who created the situation and then took out his fury on Achan; meantime, previously being under that illusion, I was in a similar state as Job, when he was attributing what were actually the acts of Satan against him to God; here, I was mistakenly attributing the fury of Joshua to God; this actually came a bit after we were describing this aspect of Job.

“Achan had no options because once he came out and confessed the Israelites stoned his ass. He was done.”

Sure, as that was most likely created by Joshua's failure to tell the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; had Achan destroyed the accursed object overnight there would have been no need for him to come to Joshua the next morning; Achan may have determined that it was in his best interest to depart from the Jewish camp overnight, after after having destroyed the accursed object and having undergone the sanctification process overnight.

“Well you claim your source is the Holy Spirit it could be something else considering what you have been tangling up with the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit is supposed to guide and comfort one in Truth not a bunch of confusion.”

Clearly, as I've been describing what the Bible text plainly shows, iteration after iteration to you, where I'm showing how misinformation that you chose to seek out and then announce as truth in the first place is just misinformation. Your actions are showing you to be creating confusion. You're the one who who's falsely trying to draw this non-existent link between God and evil just like these jokers were doing when Jesus introduced this concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You're so confused, tangled, and twisted that you've lost all perspective. You've been totally unsuccessful in your efforts to confuse me precisely because of the Holy Spirit within me. Again, you're making the choice to seek out and then pluck out known misinformation and then broadcast it but can't get past me by also being shown convincing me of the correctness of that misinformation somehow; such hasn't been possible precisely because of the Holy Spirit within me.

“No, Achan was not aware of what was happening in Joshua 7:10-14 as it was a dialogue between Joshua and God. Once Achan was made aware he was stuck.”

Why would God be telling only Joshua that the Jewish camp was supposed to destroy the accursed object and undergo the sanctification process overnight? That just makes no sense at all, if that was meant for Joshua to keep that all to himself. You're just simply twisted and confused when you can just simply concede more points that were just going to be untenable for you, if weren't able to escape through with known misinformation; again, you've just been caught but now need to act more like a sensible adult in a discussion which requires you to concede points and advance the discussion forth, as you learn and expand your know.

“No they don't. Most Mainstream Churches avoid Passages like this because it can make God out to look like a Bad Guy.”

But, clearly, the point was when this matter gets discussed; thus, this is beside the point; as this event from Joshua 7 shows, people can be mistaken in their conclusions; this was brought about by reading past Joshua 7:10-14, where the Holy Spirit had guided me to a rare individual who didn't make this common mistake in reading. While the misinformation whats God portrayed as a bad God, He simply isn't, once the bases for the misinformation is explained through corrected lens; here, you just have to be accepting, when you're fighting with something that's just untenable for you, as you've been caught and stopped in your tracks; that's really the only issue here.

“So again, Jehovah did not speak the Commandment clearly enough then ?”

That's just beside the point of a perk of being a true Christian is dying to the Law and having Jesus's righteousness imputed upon us, once we've made that choice to believe that Jesus died for our sins, rose again, confessing our sins, known and unknown, and then asking Jesus into our hearts and then receiving the Eternal Seal of Salvation from the Holy Spirit, until the Day of Redemption. The Law is only applicable, for those who refuse to make these choices and take these steps; for them, their righteousness is but filthy rags to God; Jesus clearly came, also, because people lack the ability to keep the Law perfectly, not because the Law was unclear; there were the free will and sinning in ignorance offerings prior to Christ's work on the Cross.

“How can Joshua have a motive for Revenge when it was God who told him to Destroy the one with the Accursed Thing ?”

As explained for you iteration after iteration, Achan's actions show that Joshua likely didn't tell him to destroy the accursed object overnight, as God told Joshua in Joshua 7:10-14; God didn't tell Joshua to destroy the one with the accursed object in Joshua 6 and Joshua 7:10-14; Joshua revenges was providing the instructions such that Achan still had the accursed object by the next morning, even though it was to have been destroyed overnight, as explained for you iteration after iteration.

“If Joshua was in the Wrong then why didn't Jehovah punish Joshua for his Sin against Achan ?”

God is not shown throughout the Bible punishing everyone for every transgression; thus, when He he does punish someone, it's very important to take really careful note on those limited occasions where someone is punished for a transgression to explain why they were being punished; surely, you're not suggesting to me that you truly have a belief that not being described as being punished by God actually meant that it was because everyone was totally innocent of any sins and transgressions do you? Especially, after Jesus' Gospel and preaching? That's why we only hear of only two people being transcended into Heaven, Enoch and Elijah, even through everyone else described like Abraham and David; while good, night Abraham nor David were transcended into Heaven or even put on a pedestal like God had done for Job. Additionally, as I said, it's possible that Achan did actually defy God, where it involved him bypassing God's mercy by destroying the accursed object and undergoing the sanctification process overnight, thus, why would God punish Joshua?

“No it's not. Achan thought he had gotten away with the Sin and God had commanded whoever had it to be Destroyed.”

Again, that just simply isn't what Joshua 7:10-14 shows us; while you acquired this misinformation to make that case, you seemingly don't want to just accept the fact that you've been caught and then debunked. God wanted the guilty party punished for defying Him despite His desire to show mercy, if anything else. But, it looks like Joshua was furious and didn't want those overnight instructions to stop him from getting his revenge for one lost battle.

“Nope, they was to Sanctify themselves and then go Tribe by Tribe before God.”

Joshua 7:10-14 shows plain as day God telling Joshua to instruct the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then complete the sanctification process overnight.

“If Joshua made a mistake then why didn't God correct him ?”

Joshua wasn't making a mistake when he altered God's instructions for him to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and undergo the sanctification process overnight so that he could draw out the guilty party and then soothe his fury for the lost battle.

“God does not love everyone equally though. God hated Esau and he even mentions that Israel is a Special People to him meaning that they have More Favor than other People or Nations.”

The Bible says that God loves everyone equally so He must love everyone equally. Again, these are a couple of scattered incidents taken out of context to use for misinformation, where the Bible clearly shows that God loves everyone equally (e.g. ultimately, Jesus came to save the whole of humanity, according to John 3:16). Just prior to Jericho, Joshua asked God if He was friend or foe to which God responded, neither. You'll just have to treat these incidents like a chemistry, physics, engineering, or math problem, presume that the Bible is correct, and then figure out why these aren't representative of exceptions. While the Jews were set apart, it was for a specific purpose that had nothing to do with favoring them over everyone else; the Bible just says that they were set apart (e.g. in the New Testament, the Dispensation of Grace is to everyone, even though it's to make the Jews jealous over what they lost; this is also clarified, when the Bible describes the history and nature of the Antichrist; this goes back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel; God let free will take its course and then decided to set the Jews apart as a way of reinserting Himself to humanity out of love for all of humanity just the same; the Jews just had a special role to play in this desire of God's); Jacob regarded God but Esau didn't; this was a case where a newer word might fit better than the term, hate, similar to where evil was used in Isaiah, but, because it wasn't contrasted with good, it couldn't mean evil.

“So why did not God stop Satan from putting People there ? Why God make himself out to be like a Tyrant with these Inhabitants if he does not have to ?”

Again, free will is perfect and works in all directions, not from one or two directions. While these people where put there, they still chose to be evil; God spoke via their consciousness, but, the people were still free to choose. The people were being punished for their evil ways, they were not righteousness. Again, this is also a good and direct example showing how God operates according to His promises not His abilities; this is a matter of listening, paying attention, and participating in the discussion like a reasonable adult in such circumstances.

“Which Cities ? Sodom and Gomorrah did not Repent and if they did what was the Point of God destroying them then if He knew that they would ?”

Jesus said that Sodom and Gomorrah would have repented, where the example of Jonah was provided to compare him with Abraham (e.g. had God not sent Jonah to Hell to cause a chance in his heart, God would have had to destroy Nineveh, as well, hence, a sort of do over); it was something that Abraham knew but a path that he avoided; it was a case where Abraham was exercising his free will about what to do, under the given circumstances.

“Why is Man's refusal of a Gift Greater than God's Will for None to Perish ? How can that be when God wills Stars, Planets, Galaxies into Existence but because an Ape Man does not want to do something that overrides God's will ?”

These conclusions that you are drawing about people who chose to remain lost couldn't be correct; again, the answer is provided in 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, plus free will, where John 3:14-18 provides a good structure or outline; the person has to freely choose for themselves.

“Your analogy is flawed because if the Program ( Man ) is functioning as it's intended then that Means that God desires for Man to not only Sin but for some to not receive The Gift which would go against the whole God desires None to Perish. It would mean that God the Designer does in fact desires some to Perish in spite of what the Bible says.”

No, as God's program of free will is perfect, because He isn't directing us towards a specific course in such a way r sending us towards a certain course, as I showed from Matthew about people being created to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven that was lost to the fallen angels, although some people still end up to a place that's been prepared for Satan and his demons, but you aren't listening and then participating in the discussion in a sensible manner.

However, in the case of a computer program, it's flawed, because, so far, man has been unable to program something like the Transformers or be Quintesson like in abilities, even taking a shot at artificial intelligence (e.g. this is so, because the program still has to function precisely as designed and doesn't deviate into something totally unexpected as people tend to do, according to their free will). God created us people who can function according to our desires, or, up until we become Christians, resulting in some people perishing even though God's will is that people be saved; plus, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 is a contributing factor, but, it's still rooted in the person's choice to take that route; while, as a true Christian, I have my free will, God, according to His promises, will help me in my choices to ensure my eternal salvation as one perk of my free will choice to became a Christian.

“You are assuming that Satan does not get his Power from God though.”

He isn't as, according to Jesus, there is no association between God and evil, in the lead up to introducing the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit; the Book of Revelation also shows us that God is tempering Satan's power so we can tell it from Hell.

“God is over the Good and the Bad. He has Power over the Heavens and Hell meaning that Satan's Power comes from him. Also, technically Arnold Schwarzengger gets his Strength from God, Exercise, Nutrition...”

God is in no way contributing evil, according to Jesus; God is modulating the power of evil so that earth doesn't resemble Hell, as we can draw from Revelation. It's about Satan and the Kingdom of Hell cannot be divided, according to Jesus. Arnold gets his strength from his hard work, drive, and resulting health.

“Calamity means to create a Disaster. The Guy who shot all those Black People in Buffalo created a Disaster and caused Calamity. The Kid who shot 19 Kids and 2 Teachers in Texas caused a Calamity and created Disaster. You see where I am going with this ?”

In the context of the Bible for calamity, it means that God is motivated to create a stir up, since the contrasting word for it is peace and not good. Those acts that you mention were the result of evil intentions, where those people were capable of being influenced by the devil and his demons who are then the sources for evil. Jesus made clear that any involvement from His side would be considered dividing a kingdom as to say that it isn't divided.

“If you create Disaster for someone you are doing a Bad Thing. Especially when you contrast that with to Make Peace with someone.”

Bad still doesn't equate to evil, in the case of God; only Satan and his demons are the originators of evil.

“Satan's Kingdom isn't divided against itself. It's Power comes from the same place that Yeshua gets his from.”

Again, according to Jesus, there is no connection here, as it's considered a divided kingdom. Suggesting that God is giving Satan power would be suggesting that God is participating, despite Jesus saying that they aren't in any way involved; Satan and his demons are just making there choices similar to all of the lost souls who died while refusing the free gift of eternal salvation, despite it only requiring a brief moment of their time; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 then explains why such is the case in many cases, where the rest is free will functioning perfectly.

“The Elect aint just talking about the 12 Disciples though. Romans 8:28-30 aint just talking about 12 People. John 3:16 is about Yeshua's Elect. The whosoever is a set number and God knows it.”

When Jesus was referring to elect, He was talking about the 12 disciples, as simply as it is shown; besides John 3:16, in Acts and Romans, someone asks what must I do to be saved, and the answer was simply to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day; according to John 3:16, anyone who does that will be saved; the only hindrance is described in 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, where John 6:40 also explains that all someone needs to do is make a choice by merely looking in the direction of Jesus for guidance and help; additionally, the Great Commission told us Christians to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that everyone has an opportunity to hear the Gospel; there being a set number is extra-biblical material that you're inserted to John 3;16; it just isn't there.

Romans 8 is about their being no condemnation for those who are true Christians and how Jesus has free us true Christians from the Law. Romans 8 is confirmation and verification that the Holy Spirit is evidence of our being true Christians, where Romans 8:15 says the Holy Spirit is the adoption. As previously mention, Romans 8:23 coupled with Ephesians 1:9 is also about us true Christians being preordained to appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ; Romans 8:32 specifies or reinforces John 3:16; Romans 8:34 then places Romans 8 back into the contexts of those who have accepted the free gift of eternal salvation; Romans 8:35-39 makes clear that us true Christians cannot lose our salvation, where we're sealed until the Day of Redemption by the Holy Spirit, noting all things that cannot take us away from our Eternal Seal of Salvation.

“Then God's will not that anyone should perish because it does not happen.”

Yes, the Bible says that God's will is that none should perish. It's clearly in the Bible, except that the unsaved are also left without excuse.

“But they have an Excuse because if God is not going to Save them then it was Not God's Will to do so.”

The Bible says that the unsaved will be left without excuse. John 3:18 says that you're condemned already, if you decline the invitation to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Matthew says that Heaven is an inheritance for people and that Hell is prepared for the devil and his demons. God saves all those who accept Jesus as their Lord and savior, but, partly because of 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, people decline the invitation to receive the free gift of eternal salvation. God will save anyone who accepts the free gift of eternal salvation, where a person anywhere merely has to concede that Jesus died for their sins on the cross and rose again on the third day so that they can be salved, while saying it out loud; they can also decide to confess their sins, known and unknown, out loud at that instance after they've said out loud that they believe that Jesus died for their sins on the Cross and then rose again on the third day; from there, they'll be sealed until the Day of Redemption by the Holy Spirit; one sign of their salvation may have to be God chastening them for the first time, at some point soon thereafter; but, people, believe or not, may not just take one moment out of their to say these words out loud and then pass away before it ever takes place, in having made a conscious effort to decline the opportunity; and that's in no way God's fault.

“Then the Bible is contradicting itself again...”

No it isn't, because I was responding to something that you said that was both extra-Biblical and a mishmash of your own personal confusion brought about your own twists and turns to avoid conceding points; given how John 3:18 reads, a person who is still lost and unsaved would be rescuing themselves by accepting the free gift of eternal salvation.

“How can a person's desire to avoid a gift of salvation hinder God being with them if it's his desire to do so though ?”

John 3:16 clarifies that God's desire is for anyone who is apart of humanity to accept the free gift of eternal salvation. The Person is being hindered by Satan taking advantage of their desire to avoid the free gift of eternal salvation, according to 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; it's classic textbook free will in action real time; God isn't helping, because their desire not to receive the free gift is the overall driving force for everything, nothing else, really.

“Well isn't everyone a Sinner or Born in Sin ? So how did Moses manage to talk with God if he was in Sin ? How about Enoch who supposedly went up to Heaven with God ?”

Enoch's desire was to walk with God, so God took him; it's the reverse of 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Moses could have had a special calling and destiny, similar to the 12 Disciples; God works through some to further influence the many, besides working through the consciousness, is what the Bible tends to show about God.

“Nah, you have your own ideas about the Christian Community. That's not all of them.”

I'm talking specifically about the mainstream Christian community not the entire community of people who brands themselves, Christian, but, in a specific context that weeds out widely circulated misinformation about the Bible, God, and Christianity to make certain groups of people feel that their desires to feel about Christianity feel supported somehow for them in place of just accepting the free gift of eternal salvation; Satan and his demons then take advantage of this desire and tendency of people, according to 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

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I Love God and his name Is Jehovah meaning he causes to become and he has blessed me so much with everything i have in my life, i do my best to offer him the best work and praise of my life although i do fall short i won’t give up until his kingdom come, i can feel his Holy Spirit flowing in my body and it feels amazing and refreshing and powerful. And Of course he is most the Supreme being of all creation. Fiction is not real life and does not affect the real world so these powerful “Omnipotent Gods” although they may be interesting, doesn’t mean much to me if we are talking real life, however some of you might question that the bible is also fiction but to me He is as more real than anything that i have ever known, he’s made it known to me by putting his love in my heart and i love it so very much haha :) I hope you guys can give Jehovah a chance and see how wonderful his love is, However if you want to have the full benefit of his love you need to get to know him and put in a lot of changes and hard work and keep a consistent routine, and even i struggle to keep it, but when you do he will bless your efforts and give your heart’s greatest desire and you will realize and it will be worth it :)

Amen and praise God; giving thanks to the work and Blood of Jesus to redeem us from our sins who have taken that free gift of eternal salvation.

@summary_and_conclusion: I’m a JW too

You also emphasize an amazing point about God’s name. Something that people who refuse to use his name or equate that name with titles such as lord or God, seem to miss. Jehovah means “He causes to become.” In that one name it tells us what His power truly is. He can cause himself, or any of his creation to become whatever is necessary to accomplish His Will. He can become a destroyer, a savior, a creator, a preserver. Anything that’s necessary for Him. But he can also cause us to become something greater. He can cause lowly Shepherds to become Kings, Warriors, Judges and saviors. He can cause farmers to become prophets. He can cause pagans to become Christians. He can cause droughts to become torrents of rain. He can cause death to become life. His name Jehovah, “He causes to become” encapsulates his omnipotence itself. That name is undying, and unchanging. Exodus 3:15 says “ Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name FOREVER, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation” Jehovah is the most high Name. And what a perfect name it is.

@firestarlord73194: @dshipp17: awesome brothers, keep up the good work working for Jehovah, for the kingdom is very soon to come on earth. I will be right behind you guys in keeping up, and he will bless you greatly until there is nothing left and will be underneath his care and protection upon time indefinite and he will smile and say “ well done my faithful servant “:) Take care

Hebrews 8:8-13:

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

two fascinating videos on the on the writing and prophets of the old testament and how it possibly came together

“And in that day shall ye say, Give thanks unto Jehovah, call upon his name, declare his doings among the peoples, make mention that his name is exalted.” -Isaiah 12:4

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But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Based on the actions of Achan, Joshua could not have told the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight. Based on Achan's actions, he would have destroyed the accursed object, as instructed; this is so, because he truthfully told Joshua that he had buried the accursed object and where it was buried; thus, either Joshua told the Jewish camp to get rid of the accursed object, as Achan buried the accursed item, believing that he had gotten rid of it, Joshua just gathered the Jewish camp out the next morning, or something else altogether which didn't involve his clearly and precisely expressing to the Jewish camp that they were to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; it was Joshua who should have known that God meant destroy the accursed object, when He said get rid of it; Joshua had a tendency to alter God's phrasing of things. It wouldn't be just or within God's character to not show mercy. This was a judgment call for Joshua to understand that Achan had gotten rid of the accursed object; Achan was not still with the accursed item, after he'd buried it.

Based on what happened, God was placed in a position to evaluate and judge the circumstances. God's evaluation of the circumstances was that Joshua would not extend forgiveness to Achan for causing the lost battle; as the accursed object was finally addressed, that was no longer the issue, as it's continued existence within the Jewish camp is what disturbed God; it wasn't for Joshua to find the guilty party and then extend merciless vengeance on that individual; that's just simply not within God's character (e.g. that's an evil and thus, satanic trait); that's just simply something that you set out to demonstrate but couldn't, simple as that.

“Nope again, God provided Achan no way out because Achan thought he was getting away with the Sin and when it was shown that the Sin was uncovered. Achan confessed and he was killed for it as God had commanded in Joshua 7:15.”

God provided Achan a way out in Joshua 7:10-14, which was to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; Joshua, with his tendency to alter what God really told him then used the situation to draw out Achan and then to exact revenge on Achan for causing his troops to lose a battle; this is Joshua who you're describing, not God. Because Joshua possibly told the Jewish camp to get rid of the accursed object instead of destroy it, it was Joshua's responsibility to recognize that Achan had done what he was told; Achan wasn't there to confess, as he had already confessed to God overnight, he just came out to describe having gotten rid of the accursed item as he was told, most likely. God addressed Achan via the eternal afterlife by sending him to Paradise, most likely, unless he was guilty of other transgressions (e.g. again, this is the part where an objective look at the situation has to cease, as God is the one Who knew who Achan really was as a person); Joshua was then addressed, as one, he wasn't translated into Heaven like Enoch, placed on a pedestal like Job, and his body wasn't even given the same special treatment as Moses's body, after he died; however, God extended grace to Joshua for this and whatever other wrongs he had committed.

“Nope thrice, Achan was not going to confess his sin during the santification process because he still thought he was getting away with the Sin unless it was brought out when the Tribes came together and Joshua spoke to come forward who had the accursed thing. There was No Mercy because once Achan confessed his Sin, God just allowed Israel to kill him.”

If Achan didn't confess his sins during the sanctification process overnight as required in Joshua 7:10-14, then that was his own fault, not God's, as that is where God's mercy was extended. But, based on the behavioral traits that Achan displayed in truthfully telling Joshua where he'd buried the accursed object, apparently in effort to get rid of it, as told to him by Joshua, when Joshua should have told him to destroy it, I believe Achan did confess his sins, during the sanctification process, had Joshua told the Jewish camp even that much of the instructions that God provided him.

Again, Joshua displayed the behavioral traits of fury upon learning that his troops had lost a battle and had displayed tendencies of providing instructions slightly different than they'd been given to him by God; Joshua most likely used the incident to draw out the guilty party, who just happened to be Achan, and then took out his furious vengeance on Achan, as the best, most likely explanation. While what you're describing is something that you're setting out to try proving to others, such just simply isn't a personality trait of God, where you appear to be trying to make another case that God knew that Achan would be without remorse for his transgression; however, his behavior simply doesn't bare that out; his behavior shows him to be as remorseful as David upon learning that God was displeased with him for his actions.

“Nope fourth time, there is nothing in Joshua 7:10-14 that says God was giving the guilty a chance there.”

It certainly does, as the guilty party is required to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight, in the plan text that's Joshua 7:10-14. Because Joshua told Achan to get rid of of the accursed object versus destroy it, it was up to Achan to extend understanding to Achan, if that was actually his true motive; however, Joshua was infuriated by the news of his troops having lost their first battle and was motivated to exact revenge, based on his inability to extend understanding to Achan, in response to being truthfully told where he'd gotten rid of the accursed object; that's the best explanation for what happened; Achan couldn't be faulted for not destroying the accursed object, if Joshua told him to get rid of it, instead; however, Achan got rid of it by burying it, as instructed by Joshua.

“That was not God showing Mercy because Achan did not know that he was in trouble for his Sin yet.”

Achan would have known something was array, after receiving the instructions from Joshua 7:10-14 to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight, pretty much the same way that David could sense that he was in trouble with God, when Nathan sent him a message, which wasn't as clear and direct. Undergoing the sanctification process was Achan's opportunity to receive God's mercy, but it had to be shown in the afterlife instead of in the temporal, because Joshua also had to exercise free will and proper judgment, during this incident.

“Cannon Fodder. Just as God could have stopped Abraham from killing Isaac he could have stopped Israel from killing Achan after he confessed his Sin.”

No it isn't, it's the correct explanation for what happened and differences; as Issac was directly associated with God's promises sand was too young to have fulfilled his destiny, God simply wasn't and couldn't allow Issac to perish. God was then evaluating Joshua on his judgment and free will. Achan had already confessed his sins to God overnight, when he followed the steps from Joshua 7:10-14, which was to destroy the accursed item and then undergo the sanctification process, where Joshua clearly altered the instructions. Achan wasn't confessing to Joshua nor was he required to provide a confession, at the point, as we see from Joshua 7:10-14; Achan was following Joshua's instructions to the Jewish camp and provided an explanation to him, in response to the question asked of him.

“Nope and Cannon Fodder again.”

Yes, all God is asking for someone to do, in order to receive the Free Gift of Eternal Salvation is to vocalize out laud that they believe that Jesus died on the Cross and then rose again on the third day for the remission of their sins, ask Jesus into their hearts and be their Lord and Savior, and then confess all of their sins, both known and unknown to Jesus; the Holy Spirit is then going to Seal then until the Day of Redemption; the person is then a Born Again Christian, who has been Baptized, spiritually, as opposed to a watery baptism, which is no longer required, during this Age of Dispensation of Grace that we now live within.

“No it does not. That's your own warped intepretation of it. There was no mercy for Achan because as soon as he confessed his Sin he was killed.”

No, that's the actual warped distortion of the event described in Joshua 7; Achan wasn't there to confess his sins, when he was called up by Joshua; but, rather, the plan text shown in Joshua 7:10-14 was for Achan to confess his sins to God overnight, after he destroyed the accursed object.

“It's not inconsistent at all. All throughout the Bible you see God killing People or having People killed for all kinds of reasons.”

The case that you unsuccessfully tried to establish, that God didn't extend to Achan mercy, is indeed inconsistent with God's character; as a clear display, Joshua 7:10-14 disproved your point. The Bible doesn't show God killing or having people killed for all kinds of reasons; that's just another point that you're setting out to prove without success; the vast majority of the Bible shows God extending mercy and overriding desire to extend mercy through His long suffering nature and desire to take another route, prior to exacting Judgment on people who are otherwise wicked and have no remorse for their wicked deeds, after Judgment has become long overdue (e.g. one example, in Revelation, the martyred saints are asking God to rein down Judgment on the earth, when God extends the earth more time, hoping that more people would become willing to seek out His forgiveness, as He's displaying literal supernatural signs to people, pleading with them to avoid the Mark of the Beast, and to be saved by Him; that's the more direct display, where the rest of the Bible may require some additional effort to bare out these real character traits of God; He's already given us these past 2000 years to accept His Free Gift of Eternal Salvation, as His will is that none should perish).

“No it's not. Joshua 7:10-14 is God explaining to Joshua the situation at hand. It's not about Mercy because God already knows that he is going to have Joshua and all of Israel stone Achan and his Family the next day. Hence why Joshua 7:15 is so important.”

That just isn't correct, as the plan text of Joshua 7:10-14 shows us God telling Joshua to announce to the Jewish camp instructions to destroy the accursed item and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; because Joshua 7 shows that Joshua was furious over one lost battle and had a tendency to change God's instructions, Achan's behavior shows us that Joshua didn't tell the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object, the thing that was the source of God's ire. Joshua 7:15 is only important, if the person still has the accursed object the next morning, even though they'd been instructed to destroy it overnight and then undergo the sanctification process. Here, Achan believed that he was doing right in getting rid of the accursed item by burying it, where Joshua appears to have said something to the effect of getting rid of the accursed item to the Jewish camp, when he knew that God meant for its destruction from back in Joshua 6; thus, God was then evaluating Joshua in his behavior against Achan whom God had forgiven overnight, except it had to be expressed in the eternal afterlife, because Joshua would not extend forgiveness to Achan.

“Joshua did not fail to carry out God's command.”

Because Achan was oblivious to the fact that he was required to destroy the accursed object overnight, Joshua could not have followed God's instructions from Joshua 7:10-14, which was to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; instead, based on Achan's behavior, Joshua told the Jewish camp something to the effect of getting rid of the accursed item so that he could draw out the guilty part and then exact revenge for one lost battle; at that state, God had forgiven Achan but was evaluating and judging Joshua, instead; Joshua knew that he told the Jewish camp to get rid of the accursed item, instead of to destroy the accursed item; Achan then got rid of the accursed object by burying it.

“Where is Israel in trouble after the stoning of Achan ?”

God treats people for their own, willful sins. Joshua had incited the Jewish camp to stone Achan, as a way of soothing his fury for one lost battle, as Joshua 7 shows his furious reaction to learning that his troops had lost their first battle. Joshua had been evaluated and judged by God to the extent necessary, under the circumstances, where God had looked to the hearts of all those involved. If Achan were of such a character that your image evokes, God would have judged both Joshua and the Jewish camp, accordingly. It's not within God's character to be merciless and void of compassion for someone expressing genuine remorse, as you've unsuccessfully set out to show.

“Where is God saying Joshua why did you kill Achan in Joshua 8 or Joshua 9 ? It's not there.”

God doesn't tell everyone how they've sinned, when they know it; God did raise to Moses that incident where he'd killed that Egyptian guard and God didn't tell Abraham how he was wrong for bypassing his opportunity to make an effort to save the cities, where he knew what he could have done; thus, the do over came with Jonah and then Jesus expressing that the cities would have repented, if Abraham would have done that which he could have done (e.g. with God on his side, he could have done persuasive miracles in support of his warning to them to repent of their sins). Thus, that doesn't prove anything; the key is Joshua 6, where Joshua had learned that God wanted this object destroyed, not verses after Joshua 7, so it appears.

“To gain a better understanding of the context one should read the full story not just a few verses like you are saying to do.”

Well, sure, if someone isn't familiar with the event, but, the discussion was about the tendency of church pastors and myself to read past Joshua 7:10-14 and draw a mistaken conclusion about this even that is then supportive of widely circulating misinformation, which you then unsuccessfully used to try proving a point, where you deliberately found this widely circulated misinformation to further spread it, but then couldn't prove a point of a God without mercy, when the Holy Spirit directed me over to Joshua 7:10-14; that's the key and extraordinary point, here, really, as opposed to continually destroy your attempts to bring life back to something that's been dead for some time now.

“No, it was the person who stole the devoted things who causes this. It literally has God talking about how Israel can not stand against it's enemies because they took the devoted things and God not being with them anymore in Joshua 7:12.”

Joshua 7:1 going forward does show Joshua getting furious over the news of hearing that his troops had lost their first battle; Joshua's state of mind is then very important to understanding events in Joshua 7, along with Joshua's tendencies to alter God's instructions, prior to announcing them to the Jewish camp. Also, we can compare Joshua to Moses, when the troops came back in failure, announcing that they were like grasshoppers; Moses displayed the characteristics that I would more expect and how I would have responded to hearing the news.

“You act like God was bound to whatever Joshua decided.”

God was evaluating and judging Joshua for his fury and subsequent inability to extend forgiveness to Achan.

“The Bible does read Plainly in Joshua 7 but you have corrupted The Bible to fit your own Ideas.”

No, it is clearly you who's trying to give a corrupted view of Joshua 7, as you've been shown over many iterations to skip ahead to Joshua 7:15, despite how Joshua 7:10-14 tells us that Joshua was required to announce to the Jewish camp to get rid of the accursed object and then undergo the sanctification process overnight; Achan had gotten rid of the accursed object by burying; but, in his fury, Joshua moved the goalpost and faulted Achan for not destroying the accursed object, instead; Joshua learned back in Joshua 6 that God wanted the accursed object destroyed. Thus, Joshua had orchestrated the circumstances so that he could take vengeance on the person who had cost him one battle; however, you're trying to corrupt Scripture to show that it's God who did these things, when the fault is that of Joshua, at the temptation of Satan and his demons; this is very similar to the case of Job; while some people may what you to see win on this, the Bible text just simply and plainly bare me out as the victor on this one; however, the Holy Spirit came to my rescue and directed me to Joshua 7:10-14, while we were in the midst of iterations; thanks be to the work and Blood of Jesus supporting me as a true Christian, a part of God's flock, and showing proof of New Testament promises for those of us who trust in Jesus for our eternal salvation; that's the biggest and most important issue here by far, not who wins or loses this debate and argument; that's the display that I both want to show and receive validation of the truthfulness and authenticity of my Christianity, as provided to me by God, not whether or not people believe me and trying to convince others on my behalf; I want to show God making the display, as I prayed for a sin of my authenticity, largely as a separate issue, when this ended up be validation of how God considers me as part of His flock, thanks to the work and Blood of Jesus.

“This is all beside the point though. Was Jehovah not clear enough about the Commandments the first time to where Yeshua had to come back and add to them ? Why ? Can not the Father who is Perfect and Good not say what he means the First Time ?”

The point was that people were unable to keep the Law perfectly, so the work and Blood of Jesus were required leading to this Age of Dispensation of Grace. Whoever believes on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.

“Because Joshua did not know Achan was the one who stole the stuff. That's the point. That's why God told him to come one by one as Tribes as to seek out whom had the accursed thing.”

He didn't need to know Achan, as his instructions were to announce to the Jewish camp to destroy the accursed object and undergo the sanctification process overnight; but, in his fury, he altered God's instructions some so that he could draw the the guilty party out to him and then take out his vengeance, given how Joshua 7:15 going forward sounded to him. The tribes only needed to come out one by one so that that the individual who retained the object over to the next morning instead of getting rid of it and then undergoing the sanctification process overnight could face judgment for not getting rid of the accursed object and undergoing the sanctification process overnight.

“Well you are sure trending a dangerous line here because you are assuming Joshua did something wrong when the Bible does not imply that here.”

The Bible sure does, as Achan got rid of the accursed item by burying, as instructed by Joshua, where he, in tern, had believed the information coming from Joshua was actually from God, similar to the case of David in relation to Nathan. Joshua moved the goalpost on Achan because he didn't destroy the accursed item, instead.

“Joshua 7:10-14 says nothing about Achan. We don't even know who he is until he confesses his Sin before the Israelites.”

Achan wasn't there to confess to Joshua, as he'd already confessed to God overnight, pursuant to Joshua 7:10-14.

“They can't destroy the accursed object until they know who has it which they do not at this point.”

That's silly; Achan was the only one who could get rid of the accursed object overnight, as he's the one who had it.

“The sanctification process was to happen BEFORE the destroying of the object which would be done once they figured out where it was.”

That couldn't be the case, because both the destruction of the accursed object and the sanctification process had to occur overnight, as Joshua 7:10-14 plainly shows us. The sanctification process would be of no avail, while the accursed object is still present; based on the context, the sanctification process was because the accursed object hadn't been destroyed, as it had led to the troops lose of their first battle.

“The Bible also says God hated Esau though so clearly there are People that God does not love equally. Isaiah 45:7 did not have to contrast Good though because to Make Peace is to do something Good and to create Evil is to do which is Bad. Also that Verse says God causes Light and Darkness so clearly it was about Contrasting Opposites.”

The Bible does not say that God hates anyone, as to hate someone is to imply equal footing with someone to to envy someone; nothing exist that shares such a distinction with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, Isaiah 45:5; thus, hate is a misplace world just like evil is in Isaiah, as no word existed to better describe it, at the time, as it does today.

No, that just simply isn't the case; just like peace is being contrast with chaos or a calamity, light is being directly contrast with darkness; thus, since good isn't being used as a contrast for this term, evil, it certainly could not be meaning evil; Jesus then made quite clear that God has no association with evil, whatsoever, in the lead up to introducing the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit to show how much of an offense even the implication is for God to somehow associate Him with evil. And we can certain believe Jesus as God and a member of the Godhead. While you're trying to establish that, such just simply isn't the case.

“Then either Yeshua and Yahweh is in conflict here or God killed off people without giving them a Chance to Repent that he knew they would which is something else.”

Since we have Jonah, it's because Abraham could have done something that only he and God knew, but didn't; Abraham, as with Jonah, probably had bad tidings with these cities. Free will goes in many different directions. These people were wicked and deserved to be destroyed, anyway, but God left it up to Abraham to provide them one more chance for their remorselessly wicked ways over time (e.g. Lot repeatedly preached to them, which was God providing them many opportunities to repent; similar to how society is getting now wicked with little remorse and regard for God, they had some sort of counterfeit system of justice, as the Canaanites had a king in Jericho).

“They have to be Correct not unless everyone is saved by the Perfect Gift. Otherwise, we can say that Man's Will overpowers God's will which is Bizarre.”

We have to go with what verses like John 3:16-18 teaches about the free gift of salvation that's freely chosen or rejected by people, where 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 explains why people reject such an easy way out, not extra-Biblical conjecture that then contradicts what the Bible teaches. God wouldn't be preventing people from being saved at the same time as the Bible teaches that God's will is that none should perish, where He constantly displays His long suffering nature, despite the remorselessly wicked everywhere.

“How can it be Perfect if God desires none to Perish and yet some will Perish.”

Because choosing a course freely is free will on display; otherwise, if everyone never perished then it could be easily argued that there's a flaw in the programming of a very primitive nature and it would be just as primitive as any computer program that we find anywhere. The endgame is for everyone to get judged, in the end, either at the Judgment Seat of Christ, for those of us who accepted the free gift of eternal salvation, when presented with the opportunities, or at the Great White Throne of Judgment for those who repeatedly rejected their opportunities to receive the free gift of eternal salvation; perfect free will is the only way that a judgment would make any sense at all, where the lost are left without excuse.

“Here's the thing. If it's God's desire that none should perish then everything should fall under his desires. Our Free Will our Desires should be under God's Will.”

That just isn't the reality that we live within, where 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 provides the explanation. But, God's will is that none should perish; however, there will be a Judgment at the Judgment Seat of Christ, as well as another Judgment at the Great White Throne of Judgment, where the lost will be left without excuse. Plus, while this is a conclusion that you're drawing about what should happen, it isn't a conclusion that I would draw or many other true Christians would draw, where we're all operating according to our free will, meaning you make your own bridge along the way, despite multiple instances of good advice to you about the more correct course of action.

“There is association between God and Evil. It's literally stated in Isaiah 45:7.”

Isaiah 45:7 isn't a demonstration of an association between evil and God, as the contrasting word for that “evil” in Isaiah 45:7 is peace and not good; Jesus then rules out any link between God and evil, when He introduced the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

“Sure God does. God not only allows Evil he allows it's Power to persist. Where else can Satan get his Power from ?”

We can't listen to you, we have to take the work of Jesus on this one, despite the bizarre theories that you need to prove for yourself about God, Christianity, and the Bible, as a former church pastor (e.g. but, I must say, you sure are pretty peculiar, if you truly were once a church pastor, given how much you want to somehow associate God with evil and injustice, despite multiple opportunities to receive correction by the inspiring nature of God's Holy Spirit within me, as a true Christian). 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 explains why people have evil intentions all the time so evil persists. Satan has his own powers and so get it from there to the extend that there regulated outside the gates of Hell by God. The description of the Great Tribulation allows us to logically conclude that, because the Restraining Force will be lifted by the Repturing up of all of us true Christians; Satan will then be allowed to show a larger portion of his power.

“No, that's your own interpretation. Calamity does not mean just a Stir Up because it literally means Causing Disaster and God does that quite often just as those Killers did.”

It's not just my interpretation, it's also the actual translation for that word from the Hebrew text, where it's meant to be calamity, where the contrasting word is peace; again, if that word were intended to mean moral evil, then good would be there, as the contrasting word, as much as light is the contrasting word for darkness; Jesus then rules out any link whatsoever between God and evil, penning that all on Satan and his demons. While those killers cause bad because of evil intentions, God does not sometimes cause bad, being motivated by evil, as evil is just not apart of God, at all, just as much as germs are eliminated by sterilization; Jesus has to sterilize us, making us true Christians, and then being able to be with God in Heaven, when our time comes; evil equals sin too, apparently.

“So you don't think God had bad intentions when he caused the Flood in Noah's Day ?”

God didn't have evil intentions, when He caused the Flood; a very big difference that then jives with what Jesus said, in the lead up to introducing the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. This was a distinction made to you on several occasion, but your aren't listening. Noah preached to them for 120 straight years, but their thoughts were evil continually; they lacked any remorse whatsoever, apparently, as much as they did before the 120 years of preaching by Noah.

“Bad is a Synonym for Evil. Along with Wicked or Wrong.”

You shouldn't just rush to a dictionary, when the discussion is about the Bible. While disciplining a child makes the child feel bad, the intentions of the parents isn't evil, particularly in the sense of God, as the parent; God chastened me and brought about good within me and steered me away from a life of evil and wickedness; it was a very good thing for me, because it made me realize that I truly became a Christian in God's eyes, thus making me feel good and secure about my eternal destination being in Heaven; I feel that God made me a better person, even though I otherwise may have had 15 years of career experience under my belt by now; although I may have had such, I wouldn't exchange that for the comfort of feeling secure in my eternal salvation with God in Heaven; while that experience was there, I might be morally corrupt with experience in the porn industry by now, still being destined for Hell, if something hadn't happened leading me into Hell, where then, there would be no turning back; I'm truly grateful for that little bad that I had to endure to have a closer relationship with God, while feeling more and more confident that God considers me a member of His Flock, thanks to the work and Blood of Jesus (e.g. but, I certainly can compartmentalize the very evil intentions of my last supervisor of record, second-line supervisor, and other agency employees who intentionally placed me in this predicament, except it was also necessary for my chastening and thus, growth, as a person and true Christian). Wicked and wrong is determined my the individual in question's motives, where God's motives can't be evil and thus, aren't evil, especially now after Jesus has told us in no uncertain terms such that He had to introduce the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit to make His point for us.

“God is participating though. You even see it in Job. Who does the Devil present himself to when he is about to do his Dirty Work ? Who allows the Devil to do his Dirty work. I know you see it.”

As with most pastors who preach about Joshua 7 and myself, until the Holy Spirit lead me to Joshua 7:10-14, where they're inadvertently accusing God and I was trying to find away not to accuse God, despite how things seemed, Job was accusing God for the actions of Satan, as he didn't know, until the younger individual arrived to Job to clarify things for him, just before God spoken to him, in response to a demand for an explanation by Job. God wasn't actually participating in Job's hardship, everything was entirely the actions and ideas of Satan as to how things unfolded; God placed a restriction on him not to harm Job and then not to actually kill Job; everything that happened resulted from Satan's free will choices for which God is preparing a Judgment and stored up wrath.

“Romans was not just talking about the 12 Disciples and you know it. Stop with the Cannon Fodder.”

Given God's nature in the Bible, lets just say that part of Romans 8 is also in fact talking about a special group that God picks; this special group would have to be in additional to the people that are saved, as the result of us Christians following the Great Commission, not to the exclusion of people, just as it sounds in John 3:14-16; we can also gauge this to be the case, given the extraordinary measures that God will take, during the Great Tribulation; although the people will openly and defiantly still be rejecting God despite all sorts of supernatural wonders, God is still pleading with the people still on the earth not to accept the Mark of the Beast, which will then be their certain doom (e.g. hence, church teachings have to jive with what we see here, despite the once saved always saved term of derision for what I'm trying to explain here); as the alternative to the Mark of the Beast, God is going through all of these extraordinary steps and measures to actually include more people in Heaven, not to exclude them, as a limited elect would suggest, where Calvinism simply isn't Biblical, otherwise; thus, the elect were only the 12 Disciples and the people referred to by Paul, and some still elect group of people, perhaps, but they will be in addition to the people that we are winning over for God, as the result of exposing people to the Gospel of Jesus Christ so that they can then follow John 3:16 and believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose again on the third day so that they could be saved; when that happens, the Holy Spirit can then provide the Seal of Eternal Salvation for them, as that Seal until the Day of Redemption, which is us Christians at thee Judgment Seat of Christ as also described in Romans 8.

“Romans 8 is also about The Elect.”

As previously describe, I agree via the correct perspective, they will people who are chosen by God to be saved in addition to the people that we are able to win over to Christ, as true Christians.

“They have an excuse though because if it's God's will that none should Perish then why does any Perish ?”

Their free will choices to reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ; once that's done and if they're deceived into continuing to do such by Satan via 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 until the day that they die, they have then been left without excuse for why they ended up perishing, despite God's desire for them to receive the free gift of their eternal salvation.

“How can Free Will be the excuse when it exists within God's own Will ?”

That's extra-biblical reasoning there that is being caused by your not listening, as it was previously explained for you that God and His creation are separate from one another; God then governs according to His promises.

“Who again has power over Man's free will ?”

If a person is unsaved, God doesn't exercise His power over their free will; He only does that for us true Christians, usually as part of our chastening, as one perk for having already exercised our free will to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

“They are not rescuing themselves as they would be part of The Elect chosen before Foundation of the World.”

But there are also those people who we win over to Christ in addition to those elect who were the 12 Disciples and the people referred to by Paul just before he started sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the masses, in order that they would have an opportunity to accept the free gift of eternal salvation.

“Wait a minute hold it now. If Satan is under God and it's Satan that hinders a Person from receiving the Gift then it is God's Fault that some people are not saved as God has Power over Satan. Free Will argument is just a bad excuse.”

No, because God is both separate and apart from His creation and has absolutely nothing to do with evil or no connection with it, according to Jesus. There is the free will offering, according to the Bible. Everyone, including Satan, are exercising their free will, until they become Christian by accepting the free gift of eternal salvation. That's just extra-biblical nonsense that you purposely acquired to continue arguing in place of conceding more lost points.

“I was talking about Mainstream Christians too.”

You couldn't have been, as the entire mainstream Christian community was not members of that megachurch that you needed in place of just conceding that the mainstream Church has different interpretation of the incidents that you introduce via widely circulated misinformation that you find for yourself to support your quest.

I'd rather revere myself than a fictional character.

- Your King, Majestros.

It's like a never-ending off-topic CaV.

A very fascinating watch and some interesting information to make what you will of it?

@lordraiden: I enjoy that channel. Many a good watch. Have you seen the video about the Angels?

- Your King, Majestros.

Hebrews 10:1-18; 26-28:

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

God spelt backwards is Dog

Jesus spelt backwards is Susej

Susejes go in Hot Dogs

Without religion, supernatural beliefs, etc., I doubt humans would have been curious enough to understand the world around them ala science. At the very least we wouldn't be as advanced as we are today. Plus moral principles like forgiveness stems from many religions.

I did, find this all intriguing

Embryology in the Quran debunked:

You know I have been thinking about something. The Jellyfish supposedly has an Immortal Life Cycle. How is it that this Creature that God supposedly made can be Immortal in a World of Sin when Sin supposedly brought Death into the World ? If the Jellyfish can Naturally Live for as long as it wants then God actually created some creatures that are Immortal in spite of Sin. I mean for years I just look at it as weird that God would say the only way to immortality was through Yeshua yet supposedly we have God who can create Immortal creatures in spite of Sin and then you still have Genesis 3 which says that The Tree Of Life can grant Immortality as well debunking that belief also.

I know YHWH is the talk of the town here, but it's nice to delve into the other few thousand gods out there humanity has created over the past thousands and thousands of years so thought this straight forward but nice little intro into the Greek Gods is a nice touch, and wouldn't you know it, they also have a world flood that has Zeus wipe out humanity except for two to restart the world, well what do you know. Enjoy

@king_saturn: So many creatures are apparently immortal, but if scientists are able to extract that which makes them immortal, I'd be pretty happy about it and would hopefully be the first test subject. Whales and sharks and even tortoises seem to have really long lifespans, too.

- Your King, Majestros.

That would be cool to have a indefinite Lifespan especially if you can keep your Youth and Energy Levels. It would suck to be Immortal and suck at an age of like 75 or something.

@king_majestros said:

@king_saturn: So many creatures are apparently immortal, but if scientists are able to extract that which makes them immortal, I'd be pretty happy about it and would hopefully be the first test subject. Whales and sharks and even tortoises seem to have really long lifespans, too.

- Your King, Majestros.

Nice. You'd have no problems with immortality? I've often thought about it myself, how long it would take before you have second thoughts and get tired of humanity's shit and it's self destructive nature? Immortality, food for thought

I actually think it would be fascinating just to see where humanity goes altogether if we had immortality. I mean we kind of have an idea of what is going to happen but those wild cards also make life interesting. Even with all the bad crap just to see even how Science and Technology progresses and what we could see or discover decades from now would be something to see despite social issues and politics.

@king_saturn:

I’m thinking that if We were immortal We would look after the planet better. As it stands I think people don’t care enough about what they are leaving for their children

@spareheadone: Interesting Point. I think the whole Human mentality would change completely if we had natural immortality. Even the passage in Genesis 3 always got me about the Behold Man has become like us knowing Good and Evil. Well if we did not know Good and Evil can you expect us to handle the manipulate and wilds of The Serpent / Devil ? Do not even have to go into Satan having the ability to get 1/3 of the angels to follow him in Heaven.

@king_saturn:

God wanted the demons to follow Satan

God created Satan as a liar and murderer from the beginning

God wanted Adam to be deceived.

Here are some verses that show why

John 9:41

Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.

Luke 12

47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows.

Romans 11

32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

2 Thessalonians 2

10 and with all the deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

God playing both the Hero and the Villain. It's an interesting concept to say the least.

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There is not connection between God and evil, will or otherwise. Jesus made this pretty clear, when He introduced the concept of blaspheming the Holy Spirit; so, since you keep doing this type of thing, that seems to be what you're aiming to do for yourself.

Satan was the first example of free will in play; the Scripture says that evil was found in Satan, which directs you to the correct direction and context. Adam disobeyed under the influence of comments from Eve and on his own; they both walked in total and actual fellowship with God for about 30 years in the Age of Innocence but then made an informed choice, since we know that God can only be a just God full of long suffering; they had the choice to follow up with God what Lucifer had told Eve, but Eve slightly alters what God told her to the Serpent clearly to get information from a source other than God. During this 30 year Age of Innocence, the Angels and God were cohabiting with Adam and Eve on earth; this is then about when Lucifer and his demons rebelled and were then cast out of Heaven.

“John 9:41

Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.”

This verse doesn't establish a connection or a desire by God to be associated with evil or to cause others to do evil; given that Jesus had already emphatically disassociated God from evil, the more correct approach would be to see how trying to link God to evil couldn't be the correct approach. Clearly, Jesus is arguing a point with someone concerning their refusal to accept His message, already from the way it reads. In context, Jesus corrects His disciples, as they were presuming that a man was blind from birth because his parents had committed a sin (e.g. and we have a clear cause and effect here that divorces God as the cause but rather consigns it to people exercising their free will; sin was already defined by the Law; the Law was put there, at best, to show that people are probably going to break it, despite clear warning in the course of following their free will, but that their choices will have consequences; but, the way out was through God's mercy provided one was willing to seek out His mercy).

Jesus reveals that God predestined this occasion for something that was good and positive not for evil; predestining in very limited indeed; its not something that's widespread and done to large blocks of people to purpose evil on others. After Jesus had restored this person's sight, we see some from the crowd become curious, likely because Jesus' reputation has been spreading; they then go to the Pharisees to tell them about this person receiving his sight. It is further revealed that this event had occurred on the Sabbath (e.g. the spirit in these people is something other than gratitude, but it is also detective work; the Pharisees are then immediately aware of or familiar with Jesus and immediately want to disassociate Him from God and consign Him to evil; we learn that the objective of the Pharisees is to get as many people as possible who would acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, they are to be put out of the church, at the time; it's a proactive effort to discredit Jesus despite what people are witnessing Him do, as a sign that Jesus is in fact the Jewish Messiah; this speaks volumes; the Pharisees are trying to link Jesus to evil, as a means of disassociating Him from God precisely because there is no link between God and evil, contrary to what you're saying; verse 31 is truly telling in this regard John 6:31-33: Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.).

John 6:35-38: 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

From this context, because these Pharisees had called them Moses' disciples, Jesus then provides the verse that you quoted, starting with John 6:39, which is so that they may be Judged of God for their hypocrisy and to show that they are sinners, according to the Law, not righteous, as their reputation has it for everyone around them; Jesus was using this saying to illustrate a point that, despite their claim that they were Moses' disciples, they were actually sinners, as He reads through their self- righteousness to undercover their true motives.

“Luke 12

47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows.”

This verse is concerning how people who partly sin in ignorance and then end up in Hades will suffer a punishment less severe than those others; this is telling us that there will be different degrees of torment for those who end up in Hades for (repeatedly) rejecting the invitation to receive the free gift of Eternal Salvation (throughout their lives); this, this is more about God's justice in judging those who exercised their own free will to sin, where we all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, but there is that free gift of eternal salvation that rescued some of us who chose to receive that free Gift of Eternal Salvation by believing that Jesus died on the Cross, but rose again on the third day so that we could be redeemed from our sins by believing these things so that Jesus could become our personal Lord and Savior; believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved.

“Romans 11

32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.”

The context of Romans 11 is God predestining in the limited sense of establishing the Jewish people but for the purpose that the whole of humanity could have the opportunity to be saved. It's making the point that God hasn't cast away the Jews, He's just now opened the doors for the whole of humanity, during the Age of Dispensation of Grace. God had set aside people through election for Elijah to then confront the Prophets of Baal in order to establish Himself as the one true God and to return the Jewish people to Him; now, we see an overall purpose of this Age of Dispensation of Grace, as analogous to a small group of Jews left over for Elijah; that small group of Jews was for the purpose of bringing the Jews, as a whole, back to Him; it wasn't to exclude but to cast a large net for all of the Jews; now, it's to cast this larger net for all of humanity.

Romans 11:7-11: What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

God has given the Jews a hardened heart for rejecting Jesus, going back to John 6; it's because the Jews didn't wanted to believe on Jesus so God has hardened their hearts; however, this has nothing to do with an association between God and evil, as God has a noble purpose, similar to the way he set things up so that Elijah could succeed; Romans 11:12-14: Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Romans 11:16-18: For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Romans 11:23: And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:25-28: For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

And now, you verse in brought into a context divorcing God from evil; His purpose here is to restore the Jews, following their unbelief in Jesus by working with Gentiles:

Romans 11:29-32: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

“2 Thessalonians 2

10 and with all the deception of wickedness unto those perishing, in return for which they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.”

This verse is setting the stage for the arrival of the Antichrist and showing that the coming age is that of the Antichrist; it must take place.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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@lordraiden: No, immortality sounds amazing. Couldn't tell you what would happen when I get tired of it.

- Your King, Majestros.

If God is hardening the Hearts of People and causing them to have a Strong Delusion then God is playing the Villain for the sake of playing a Hero later. Why not play the Hero all the time though ? Why harden hearts ? Why send strong delusions ? Look at what damage can be done when someone has a hardened heart or have been deceived into doing bad things.

Love that attitude. You give me hope

From a prime directive standpoint, it would be good looking in from the outside.

Food for thought, can't believe that didn't occur to me, treating the planet differently if we were immortal. And that second part, see that too much these days, sadly, in the way people talk and act.

Probably So.

How's Life been since you gave that Shaolin Monk your Godly Power ?

@dshipp17:

Yep

God has consigned all to disobedience

@king_saturn:

God is everything so he has to be the villain and the hero