Is Race Important?

WHAT BEYONCE AS WONDER-WOMAN?!?!?!

I'd rather it be Megan Fox, :)

what are you saying about Ryan Reynolds ................ I do not feel like reading all that.

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what are you saying about Ryan Reynolds ................ I do not feel like reading all that.

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Jewish Wolverine Vs. Black Wolverine.
 
Coming to a battle thread soon.

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what are you saying about Ryan Reynolds ................ I do not feel like reading all that.

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LOL nothing about Ryan Reynolds, its about the way Deadpool was portrayed in the Wolverine movie. "

he was cool at the beginning... "

It bothers me, but not all the time, but if they were going to change Luke Cage's race I would be pissed. Same with Black Panther it's essential to there characters to be black really. Actually now that I think about it it always annoys me.

Did you guys hear Steve Buscemi got casted as Luke Cage?

" I liked Kingpin to be honest... "

" I liked Kingpin to be honest... "

" @CATMANEXE:  What year was that?
 
@aztek the lost: I thought Weapon XI was Deadpool? "

" @Gambler said:

" @CATMANEXE:  What year was that?
 
@aztek the lost: I thought Weapon XI was Deadpool? "

I can't remember where but there is one line in the movie that referred to the name Deadpool. "

" @CATMANEXE:  What year was that?

If race is an integral part of the character, then you can't change it. Black Panther has always been African. His entire character is rooted in this African heritage. Making him white for the hell of it sort of kills the mythology. Wonder Woman was (technically) Greek. Greek mythology is at the root of the character. If you're going to cast an 'exotic' looking actress, at least cast a Greek or someone from around that region of the world. We want to have the Greek atmosphere, this clash of cultures. The clash of Amazon 'pacificism' (for look of a better word) and Humanity's 'violent ways' is at the root of the series. The only reason she was sent to Man's World. And it'd be a plus to have an accent there - helps to create the atmosphere ^-^

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@Gambler

 ..I made a similar point in the "Beyonce is Wonder Woman thread".Beyonce doesn't fit obviously because she's black but then people come in and suggest people to play the part who still don't fit.You don't make a better Wonder Woman than Beyonce simply because you're white.A bad Wonder Woman is a bad Wonder Woman regardless.I honestly hope who ever they pick..she's not on out radar.There isn't a single A-list actress than can be Diana and actually fit the part.   "

To me rac eis important, not because I am racist in any way, but because it just doesn't feel right to have a character you've known and loved for years have something changed so drastically about them. It just doesn't sit well with me. That would like having Spirit from G.I. Joe being white instead of Native American.....it just isn't right.

Kingpin wasnt for a boost in sales no. they just really got a kick out of Mike. later though they figured
it did work because in modern times the Kingpin of Hells Kitchen NY probally wouldnt be a fat white dude who grew up in the Bronx.
Catwoman however was because of a demographic marketing scheme, as well it was a hat tip to Kitt.
point is however, Holly Wood ultimately doesnt care. if they believe it will make more money, thats what theyll do. then comes the math part. like it or not, the larger part of the worldwide consumer viewing audience at blockbuster super hero action movies, are not comic fans in fact, nor persons familiar with the books nor origins.
 
edit to reinforce my statement, as ive said it before and for whatever reason there was offense taken:
 
X-Men 2 grossed  $407,711,549 in the worldwide box office.
how many of the people that went to the theater and saw that would one wager read X-Men comics,
given the amount of money the X-books pulls in isnt any where near that?

Great article Gambler!! I agree with what you're saying. Race is an important part of the character & if they;re going to change it should have a very good reason behind it. I think that Disneys movie was changed partially because of political correctness, they have a bunch of white princesses, 1 asian & 1 indian. It just makes sense to include other races.

"Great article Gambler!! I agree with what you're saying. Race is an important part of the character & if they;re going to change it should have a very good reason behind it. I think that Disneys movie was changed partially because of political correctness, they have a bunch of white princesses, 1 asian & 1 indian. It just makes sense to include other races. "

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"Great article Gambler!! I agree with what you're saying. Race is an important part of the character & if they;re going to change it should have a very good reason behind it. I think that Disneys movie was changed partially because of political correctness, they have a bunch of white princesses, 1 asian & 1 indian. It just makes sense to include other races. "

they had one arabic also from aladin. "

It does matter!!!!!!!!!!
 
When i posted this as a status on Face book the first thing everyone said, was "Beyonce is Black" 
 
I'm not a racist (At least not consciously) but it just throws off everything. You wouldn't watch a dragon ball Z movie if Master Roshi was Black would you? OR if The black Panther was Asian.
 
 
Then again i would, but they'd have to throw me out for Boisterous laughter

"It does matter!!!!!!!!!!  When i posted this as a status on Face book the first thing everyone said, was "Beyonce is Black"   I'm not a racist (At least not consciously) but it just throws off everything. You wouldn't watch a dragon ball Z movie if Master Roshi was Black would you? OR if The black Panther was Asian.    Then again i would, but they'd have to throw me out for Boisterous laughter "

Eh, I'll wait for the bootleg

" To me rac eis important, not because I am racist in any way, but because it just doesn't feel right to have a character you've known and loved for years have something changed so drastically about them. It just doesn't sit well with me. That would like having Spirit from G.I. Joe being white instead of Native American.....it just isn't right. "

There are soo many talented actors from all different races that putting together a good cast that's faithful to race and looks really shouldn't be as hard as they make it.

"Eh, I'll wait for the bootleg "

what if it were true, and Beyonce was going to play WW.
but it was also confirmed that there would be a 5 to 10 minute scene
with full frontal and back nudity? would race be important then (and can
the guys here answer that question honestly)?

" what if it were true, and Beyonce was going to play WW. but it was also confirmed that there would be a 5 to 10 minute scene with full frontal and back nudity? would race be important then (and can the guys here answer that question honestly)? "

 All the nude scene would mean is that there would be a ton of pirated WW clips of Beyonce. "

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 All the nude scene would mean is that there would be a ton of pirated WW clips of Beyonce. "

um, no it would mean alot more than that actually. understand im moving this point with my last statement as well. ill tell you two things a large amount of people like to see. 1. Beyonce 2. Beyonces body and anohter * controversy fact is color doesnt matter, and the reason it doesnt is because the majority of the people that would pay to see the movie dont actually read comic books. . "

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 All the nude scene would mean is that there would be a ton of pirated WW clips of Beyonce. "

 thats an actual fact right there. so what appeals to the consumer audiance goes first. and they dont read the comics, so they dont really truly care about continuity or accuracy like we here do. they care about other things in general, all of which are tested, marketed and approved.  "

"  and really one coud say im jaded for saying that the large part of the consumer audience eats up controversy but i can prove it as well.   Beyonce to play WW.  theres one. guess what? Beyonce isnt playing Wonder Woman anyways. in fact there is no green lit WW movie at all. its an internet rumor. someone just like us awhile back said they should make a WW live action movie. another person read that. pretty soon it carried along and a rumor started that there was going to be one, and it was reinforced when one was actually announced (but that was the animated DVD, its just that those people forgot to mention this to anyone). then it extended. someone said Beyonce would be perfect fro WW. see stage one. and here we are, in this thread, which is one of many on the web. most ive read say shes confirmed, shes filming it now, and they even give a release date.  the actual movie in the works is Justice League. the only actress to have any scrap of actual on air, recorded connection to play Wonder Woman is actually Megan Gale. "

the question was specific, but meant to illuminate the point. and be slightly humorous.
sorry the mention of nudity is offensive to you, noted for the future. the point, for the fourth time is,
the majority of persons who view the comic movies are not comic fans. so by the companies
numbers, what caters to that majority, which is way larger than the one that encompasses the actual readers,
is what goes first. hence why are comic characters are "changed" or "butchered" in films. and what does that majority care
about? yes, controversy. the point is Beyonce playing Wonder Woman in a movie would sell more because she is black.
thats why they did it with Catwoman. the movie had little hope for it as it was, and they needed something people would talk about
to get word of it out. note: the target audience isnt woman and kids. i have no clue what would give you that idea. you would be talking about a worldwide opening here. much like the Transformers film, it would be responsible for catering to a vast diverse group of persons. the animated movie itself had a larger consumer group of males, as did the Wonder Woman action figures that sold via
the animated series. 
 
 It is? Where did you pull this from?
 
i already said where from. look at the gross revenue on the X-men films, Wolverine, Iron man, Batman, Superman,
hell Transformers even. it extended far and beyond the original fans.

Offensive to me? Did you even read what I posted? Shame. If you had maybe you'd see that I'm not disputing the fact that the majority of people who go to watch comicbook movies are not comicbook fans. But we're talking about A specific movie, a Wonder Woman movie to be exact. And that core audience and make up, regardless of if they read her comics, would be female/child oriented. For someone who loves facts you should know that Hollywood's cash cow is kids. Not grown men looking to catch 5mins of Beyonce nude. Sorry :(
 
A Wonder Woman movie would be targeted towards a specific group and it wouldn't  create unnecessary controversy in hopes of selling Wonder Woman. Thats just common sense. Hollywood didnt butcher Deadpool to create controversy, they did it cause they had no idea changing his character would cause such a backlash. Hence why they are taking careful measure to stay true to his character in his solo film. 
 
@CATMANEXE said:

"   the point is Beyonce playing Wonder Woman in a movie would sell more because she is black.  "

@CATMANEXE

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 It is? Where did you pull this from?  i already said where from. look at the gross revenue on the X-men films, Wolverine, Iron man, Batman, Superman, hell Transformers even. it extended far and beyond the original fans. "

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Hahahaha I wish I would have found this when I was searching for pictures. Nice "

Who is that man?  He looks familiar....

I completely agree with Gambler on this one. The changing of race of a character just to appear PC is incredibly obvious, and I also noticed it was usually replacing a white character. For example, I got pretty pissed when they casted Will Smith to play the lead in "I Am Legend" because he is nothing like the character, race is different, etc. I also heard that they are thinking of redoing the story of Pocahontas but making John Smith black. WTF? There is seriously no purpose to that. 
 
Also, P. Diddy wants to take on the role of James Bond. HONESTLY?!?!?
 
 http://celebrifi.com/gossip/P-Diddy-Ill-Be-Black-James-Bond-556159.html

There was a guy on IMDb.com that made a thread about why he thought Denzel Washington should be cast as Superman. Everyone bashed him. Race definitely matters.

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