Is ethnic/racial/cultural/religious diversity good for the U.S.?

Cultural diversity only works if the cultures being mixed share similar values or values close enough. For example, the Western culture of women being equal to men, being allowed to wear whatever they like, Homosexuals having equal rights and such would be the polar opposite of a culture where women are expected to obey men without question, cover up and gay people live in fear of being thrown off of buildings. The people from the regressive and backwards latter culture will find it difficult to adopt the values of Western Civilization

Not when a significant part of the population don't accept them.

Liberals concept of "multiculturalism", ironically, doesn't produce a multicultural world.

It creates a Hodge-pudge quagmire of different ideologies, traditions, culture,.. living together in a constant tension and competition for social relevance, social dominance and promotion of tribal interests, that is until it homogenized into a cultural singularity (kinda like socialism) or until an aggressive and dominant culture forced the others into extinction.

If you want a true multicultural world, you need to protect the culture from being assimilated and dominated by foreign agents and only allows external influences when it is compatible and beneficial to the local norms.

Assuming all is treated equally, sure.

Yes because the alternative is that foreign cultures are demonised.

If people are so arrogant that they blindly assume the superiority of their culture over others then that is when you have issues.

That said, you need legal boundaries. Rights of women, homosexuals, etc. must be protected from elements that seek to infringe on them, be they foreign or domestic.

In reality the world is more globalised than ever and will continue to become even more so. It is impossible for a country like the USA to live as a monoculture and that is a good thing. I want the world to unite and so there are going to be issues of course, but these will fade in time. How anyone can prefer the idea of living as little isolationist countries concerned only about those that share our culture is beyond me.

@purpleperson:

How anyone can prefer the idea of living as little isolationist countries concerned only about those that share our culture is beyond me.

Just stay away from my animes, jrpgs, and my waifus'.

I don't want Americans polluting it with their SJW PC non-sense (they already made their comic books totally unreadable).

The question depends on what it is compared to. For instance , if someone chooses "diversity" over "justice" is this good? I don't think so. I think when college admissions policies choose "diversity" at the expense of racially discriminating against Asian students this is evil. I believe "justice" is more important than "diversity". If a diverse gang of white, Asian, black, Hispanic, Pacific-Islander, Native American, gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, trans-gendered people beat you up and stole your money. Would you celebrate the diversity or be pissed they stole your wallet?

I can't speak for americans, but the diversity in my country really doesn't do it any favor. Our culture in general is fragmented because of it.

Absolutely not.

If racial diversity was so great then Brazil and other South American countries would be the number 1 countries in the world and places like China, Japan, Iceland, Norway and other racially homogeneous countries would be unsuccessful shitholes. It's quite the exact opposite in reality.

This so much

I can only speak for the United States, I've only ever lived here and studied our history extensively (I've lived other places briefly, studied their histories to a decent extent but not nearly as extensively) and I like to study the history of the world, but I can say I'm only very knowledgeable about the US.

Multiculturalism and diversity are THE backbone of what built this country, made it excel, and made it so great to begin with. I doubt I need to go into all the different immigrants who came here, built or helped build industries, services, and innovations, but I can give an EXTENSIVE list if someone asks. They helped at do our culture and our national pride. Were there be growing pains? Feuds? Was it always seemless, nice, and utopian? Most certainly not.

It's vital when new immigrants come to our shores that their cultural rights be respected, but it's just as vital that they respect the laws and customs (as well as possible) of our country as well. The LAWS most especially. I think it's great that our cities have China towns, Little Italys, German towns, and the like. They get to keep their customs, cultural flavors, but live under American laws. New immigrants from different lands are now coming to our country, and of course they want to hold onto their customs as much as they can but they MUST realize that they are now part of a new country that has its own laws and customs as well. To SOME degree they're going to have to compromise and find a middle ground as well. There's room for both. Will there be growing pains? Feuds? Will it always be seemless, nice, and Utopian? We've answered that one.

Btw...the way to enter our country is legally. I believe that we need some sort of immigration reform but the melting pot is for people who've done it the way it was intended.

We ARE the melting pot though...we can do this. We've done it before. We'll keep on doing it as long as we're around.

Then why is America the greatest country in history? And why aren't the homogeneous countries in Africa space age super advanced? Not to mention there is no sophisticated country of note in HISTORY that has had no influence from other cultures. Why is it the most diverse country became the most advanced in 300 years, doing what others couldn't do in 1000?

Oh I don't know, maybe it's because the average IQ in those countries is that of 75.

Hey, you're back! Did the children get too old?

However, countries in Africa that exchanged with other cultures, became affluent, Like the Empire of Mali, with the richest king in history. So your racially charged bullshit can leave.

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America was roughly 90% white European for most of its existence.

Races and peoples of the world are not equal.

I wouldn't say the US is the most advanced. In fact, they subsidize a lot of wealth to help muh minorities and immigrants. China is more successful in its economy and biological and technological advances these days. The US was more advanced when it was more white actually, lol.

It's neither. It doesn't really matter.

@revan-: Because it isn't the greaest country in HISTORY.

Most Technologically Advanced Countries in the World (Exploria)

1. United States

2. Japan

3. India

4. Isreal

5. China

This is from 2016 but refers directly to China's "biological and scientific 'advancements'". http://www.nature.com/news/the-future-of-chinese-research-1.20123

Most Medically Advanced Countries in the World (This one went by actual Hospitals) (Top Master's in Healthcare Administration)

1. El Camino Hospital-Mountain View, California, USA

2. Fortis Memorial Research Institute – Gurgaon, India

3. Johns Hopkins Hospital – Baltimore, Maryland

4. Anadolu Medical Center – Kocaeli, Turkey

5. Palomar Medical Center – Escondido, California btw...this list goes to 30, China isn't even on it.

I don't think we need to go military, but we can come back to it if you like.

Yep, us ol' mixed Americans shur were doin' much better when it was those Uropian folks runnin da show.

It's good for cuisine.

Yes

Cool story bro. I can cite a source that says Korea is the most advanced.

Your second citation is taken from a study for technologically advanced hospitals. I am talking about breakthroughs in genetics and medical research, in which China is pretty advanced at currently.

I'm sure we can find lists that say different things all over. Sure, send me this article about these breakthroughs. Got another article (Forbes) on most innovative countries in biology and medicine, though I figured that because hospitals are the ones that make the breakthroughs that would be obvious. https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/03/23/the-most-innovative-countries-in-biology-and-medicine/#34b869131a71 Still seeing nothing (on my end) that has China anywhere NEAR us, but I'll await your link or your direction to where I might locate this info.

@cattlebattle: Coupel more for yeah, didn't want to be a non-completist.

https://www.pakistantribe.com/45566/top-5-most-advanced-countries-in-medicine

https://www.quora.com/What-countries-have-lead-the-world-in-medical-research-and-innovation-during-the-time-period-between-1995-and-2014 Hey! You're sort of right. China's finally up there, at an aggregate score of about a third of us...Still number 2, but good effort.

Most Indians lives in medieval level life quality, but India is third most technologically advanced country. Tells you something about these modern Monarchy like systems.

Yes...there is a clear reason the US is and will stay the greatest country in the world.

Lol. America hasn't been 90% white since 1690, before the US was even a country. But good job perpetuating a lie to fit your narrative

Races and peoples of the world are not equal.

Based on? Science contradicts you. But you have several pseudosciences in your corner if it makes you feel better.

So my question stands, how did America, an extremely diverse country become the most sophisticated, in 300 years?(less that that TBH) Certainly not because it is an amalgamation of different cultures, taking the best aspects, and creating one anew! That's absurd!

And you purposefully avoided my other statement: There has been no sophisticated civilization without the help of a another culture.

Amen.

You could find several examples if you Google it. The 3D printing of blood vessels out of living cells is an example of recent discoveries.

Still, the burden of proof is on you here. The US was majority white for most of its existence and has whites still as the founders and in charge of most of their important important facilities. Most South American countries are super diverse due to Europeans, Sub Saharan Africans, Mestizos and Natives all mixing....how come none of those countries are listed in any example you provided for anything??

Are you purposefully barring context?

Negative, we've debunked nearly all of your BS. I just debunked your BS with proof and all I have is your word on the 3D printing thing (even though I actually believe you, it's ONE thing). I can give you a LONG list of inventions, accomplishments, innovations, and contributions that immigrants have made to the US over the hundreds of years. I don't FEEL like making a list that long but I suppose I will if I have to, but talking to your wall is making me lose interest quickly. The main reason that it's worked so well here in the US, where it might not have worked in other places is our laws, our system of government, and our customs. We're pragmatic but socially accepting. Not always at the same time. Not always at the same rate, and that sometimes sucks...a lot, but it keeps working out in the end. We combine our talents, grow, and become stronger and deal with our faults and, until recently, don't goddamn whine about it.

People like you can try to shoot us down, revise history, revise science, data, and what's standing right in front of you but the majority of us don't care. We're here, we're still prospering, we're in another period of growing pains like we have sometimes, and will again. If you don't like it, you can be on your merry. Or not, same to me.

You're mistaken. At this point, burden of proof is on you.

It can be good but generally any time you have ethnic or religious diversity there is the potential for bad as well. It all comes down to how people handle it. I mean even in all Muslim countries you still have the constant threat of violence whenever you mix Sunni's with Shiites. Its human nature to be somewhat suspicious or skeptical about that which you see as different.

@mimisalome: I’m not American but don’t worry, I’ll happily stay away from anything that involves you.

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I mean even in all Muslim countries you still have the constant threat of violence whenever you mix Sunni's with Shiites

Not really. I live in a country that has roughly 70% Shias and 30% Sunnis, there is little to no violence between both.

No because one side would always be the oppressor. We need to stop categorizing people.

@heroup2112: @heroup2112: I agree with your (11th comment) post man! I’m Dutch myself and I live in The Netherlands. My roots lie in Turkey. I have Turkish friends here, we come together at s mosque, festivities, etc.

but I also follow the rules/habits of The Netherlands, have Dutch friends, have a job (during the weekend) and go to college.

Multiculturalism can work IMO, provided that both sides show effort.

Good on you, sir!

Simply yes! It seems to work it many other places but America has some the most racist retards on earth.

@purpleperson:

Well since we are already in a conversation, im going to reply to the rest of your comments.

Yes because the alternative is that foreign cultures are demonised.

Wanting to preserve your cultural heritage and cultural identity from uncontrolled influence coming from foreign agent doesn't necessarily mean you demonized foreign culture.

If you look at it the other way around, you're demonizing cultural group that just wanted to promote, preserved, and protect their local cultural interest.

If people are so arrogant that they blindly assume the superiority of their culture over others then that is when you have issues.

Appreciating and valuing your culture above all others doesn't automatically imply that you believe that your culture is superior.

Its like preference, your culture just works for you. That doesn't mean that you threat other culture as savages and barbarians.

Again if you look at it the other way around and use the same logic, arguing that local group should readily accept foreign culture because it is for the "best"... implies that you are considering that local culture as inferior without outside influence.

That said, you need legal boundaries. Rights of women, homosexuals, etc. must be protected from elements that seek to infringe on them, be they foreign or domestic.

I agree, which why i believe that control and guided inflow of foreign influence, and migration are necessary.

Readily accepting foreign culture in the name of satisfying "diversity" doesn't always lead to improvement, as you pointed out there are bad and good side in this issue (like people and culture that infringe your own cultural interest).

In reality the world is more globalised than ever and will continue to become even more so. It is impossible for a country like the USA to live as a monoculture and that is a good thing. I want the world to unite and so there are going to be issues of course, but these will fade in time. How anyone can prefer the idea of living as little isolationist countries concerned only about those that share our culture is beyond me.

If the goal is to preserve a multicultural world that is rich in diversity then you need to protect each culture from assimilating and absorbing each other.

Else you will end up with a mono-cultural world not multicultural.

I’m not American but don’t worry, I’ll happily stay away from anything that involves you.

You don't have to go so far... Just anime, jrpgs, and waifus...

If it is, why isn't working?

It is. We're the most powerful country in the world.

@cattlebattle:

I'm brazilian and there will never be a country more diverse than us.

And guess what? Shithole.

Hell there's no hope for this country, the soon as possible I'll move to my ancestors' homeland, Europe.

Differents peoples and cultures together didn't work.

When America becomes as diverse as Brazil ( here is like 20% white/european culture, 20% black/african culture, 50% mixed... ) you're be done.

@revan-:

America was more powerful and prosperous back in 1960 when the country was less about muh diversity and 90% european.

There was less conflict and division.

Look what happened to Detroit, the same will happen to the rest of the country.

That's inherently flawed. Different peoples and cultures are only don't work when they combat each other. When they work, the amalgamate into a new culture. And here in America it works beautifully. America gets only more advance, safer, more educated etc. etc. and every year it gets more diverse. It falls into application. If what you said was true, America would be deteriorating.

I believe the difference is, America actually encourages diversity with the basis of the America's government, and Brazil does not.

LOL! America hasn't been 90% European since 1690, and has only gotten better since then. The conflict and division is something we actively attempt to solve, and it's why our multiculturalism succeeds.

And you use Detroit like an example, yet I live there, and the city has only gotten better as it has gotten more diverse.