that wasnt really a nanosecond speed feat and it was said in narration, also does hyperion have any other nanosecond feats or was this a one time thing said in narration
" @czarny_samael: that wasnt really a nanosecond speed feat and it was said in narration, also does hyperion have any other nanosecond feats or was this a one time thing said in narration "
1.Yes it was a nanosecond reaction speed feat. They moved in nanoseconds. 2.Narration is the only way to show speed - nothing is better in narration when it comes to speed. 3.He don't need any other speed feat because of two reasons: A)If someone done something once - it coutns. B)Even Superman and Surfer have only one nanosecond reaction speed feats.
If You can't show Orion using nanosecond speed reaction - Hyperion will win it easily.
" @czarny_samael: that wasnt really a nanosecond speed feat and it was said in narration, also does hyperion have any other nanosecond feats or was this a one time thing said in narration "
1.Yes it was a nanosecond reaction speed feat. They moved in nanoseconds. 2.Narration is the only way to show speed - nothing is better in narration when it comes to speed. 3.He don't need any other speed feat because of two reasons: A)If someone done something once - it coutns. B)Even Superman and Surfer have only one nanosecond reaction speed feats. If You can't show Orion using nanosecond speed reaction - Hyperion will win it easily. "
Orion set up a force field before the OE got to him,he has engaged supes and darkseid in repeated blows and it's not like hyperion will try to blitz him right from the start.
Besides the fact he can one shot hyperion with a wide spread astro blast, hes easily physically stronger, more durable and has more stamina, or the fact he can create force fields, hyperion has nothing on orion except he might have a slight speed advantage which is easily taken care of as orion has a massive power advantage over hyperion and its not like hyperion is anywhere near flash speeds. Superman has a nanosecond feat with him saying it while it was happening and has had other light speeds feats like this not just 1, silver surfer may of had nanoseconds said on narration but hes also shown many great speed/thought feats that go with it, if hyperion only has 1 its a 1 time feat and it was said in narration and some crazy things are claimed in narration.
How good is Hyperion's durability? Orion one-shotted Superman with his astro-force. If his durability is at Superman's level or below, Orion can one-shot him with his Astro-force.
well king hyperion who physically matched and dominated at points 2 normal hyperions like this one in the fight was physically equal to blue marvel, blue marvel goes in with thor and sentry and such if that gives you a standard of his durability
while orion goes with superman in physical power so theres a bit of a difference here
basically this would be more fair if it was king hyperion as normal hyperion isnt in orions class
" How good is Hyperion's durability? Orion one-shotted Superman with his astro-force. If his durability is at Superman's level or below, Orion can one-shot him with his Astro-force. "
As You could see he fought with planet-buster who used his planet-busting strength, if You didn't saw it it is here:
Also the point is that Orion won't even have a chance to shot him.
@entropy_aegis said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" @Valtot said:
" @czarny_samael: that wasnt really a nanosecond speed feat and it was said in narration, also does hyperion have any other nanosecond feats or was this a one time thing said in narration "
1.Yes it was a nanosecond reaction speed feat. They moved in nanoseconds. 2.Narration is the only way to show speed - nothing is better in narration when it comes to speed. 3.He don't need any other speed feat because of two reasons: A)If someone done something once - it coutns. B)Even Superman and Surfer have only one nanosecond reaction speed feats. If You can't show Orion using nanosecond speed reaction - Hyperion will win it easily. "
Orion set up a force field before the OE got to him,he has engaged supes and darkseid in repeated blows and it's not like hyperion will try to blitz him right from the start. "
So Your point is that Hyperion won't do it or that Orion can defence himself from it? A) is debatable with B) I won't agree until I will see nanosecond speed reaction feat from Orion.
@Valtot said:
" @czarny_samael: Besides the fact he can one shot hyperion with a wide spread astro blast, hes easily physically stronger, more durable and has more stamina, or the fact he can create force fields, hyperion has nothing on orion except he might have a slight speed advantage which is easily taken care of as orion has a massive power advantage over hyperion and its not like hyperion is anywhere near flash speeds. Superman has a nanosecond feat with him saying it while it was happening and has had other light speeds feats like this not just 1, silver surfer may of had nanoseconds said on narration but hes also shown many great speed/thought feats that go with it, if hyperion only has 1 its a 1 time feat and it was said in narration and some crazy things are claimed in narration. "
1.Scans? 2.Why do You belive that he is stronger than Hyperion? Hyperion showed in scan above planet busting level strength. 3.Did Orion ever survived planet busting shots/punches? 4.Flash is picosecond-speedster, he is above all known heroes to me in speed. 5.Light speed feats in travel. Superman also doesn't have to many nanosecond-reaction speed feats. 6.Surfer as Supe few times showed great reaction speed, but clear nanosecond only once to my knowledge. 7.Narration is the only way to show real reaction-speed feats.
@Valtot said:
" @MrDirector786: well king hyperion who physically matched and dominated at points 2 normal hyperions like this one in the fight was physically equal to blue marvel, blue marvel goes in with thor and sentry and such if that gives you a standard of his durability while orion goes with superman in physical power so theres a bit of a difference here basically this would be more fair if it was king hyperion as normal hyperion isnt in orions class "
ABC logic like hell ;) But Evil copy of this Hyperion fought with Thor and stomped Wonder Man in the past.
how does this scan show hes a planet buster the closest i see to that is -it is the grappling of two opposing gravimetric fields that exerts the planet pulverising force cascading from their forms- If your using it as proof that he can match gladiator in strength thats not gonna help as gladiators strength changes with confidence. So if there any other proof hes a planet buster thats real proof? Orion easily moves faster than bullets and can match people like superman physically and is capable of 1 shotting him with his astro force. Hyperions evil copy defeating wonderman is nice and all and being nearly as strong as thor doesnt mean hes physically equal to Orion at all as Orion is equal to superman. Why would if matter if orion has ever survived planet busting shots/punches also as hyperion hasnt either, greatest feat for hyperion is matching gladiator in physically and gladiators strength changes all the time so we cant get a estimate on how strong they were there except in a narration that talks about there opposite gravimetric field being matched and it exerting enough force to pulverise a planet. Id also like to know hyperions average combat speed as the greatest speed feat hes got was said in narration and it said nanoseconds later... and showing a picture of hyperion punching gladiator and being blocked. And i wasnt using ABC logic before like you just did in comparing people beating people i was showing a strength level normal hyperion had compared to the other powerhouses in marvel and stating orion is physically equal to superman as hes shown this, but you used a evil version of hyperion fought thor and beat wonderman and that is different to what i said as thats comparing who he has fought not physical power.
" Also the point is that Orion won't even have a chance to shot him. "
I honestly have no idea where you come up with this nonsense. Are you just a Marvel fanboy or what? Thor landed a few hits on him and in that same comic [Thor 280 I believe] Hyperion's evil counterpart Ko'd him....with a lazer gun.
2.And where is any indication that Gladiator losed his confidence in this battle? Unitl it is stated, he is in full power.
3.Orion isn't equal to Superman unitl You can show me their contest of strength similar to Hyperion's and Gladiator's or Thor's and Herc's:
Herc and Thor perfectly equal in strength 4.Fighting with fast people isn't a prove of anything. Many slow people has done it. 5.Catching bullets is good, but only in certain situations. Like this:
Sentry reaction speed feat And it still isn't close to nanosecond speed reaction.
6.When Orion survived planet-busting punches? 7.Using other battles of other people is ABC logic. I've used Evil Hyperion and it is good, because it is Hyperion just with different mind. Besides, he stomped Wonder Man and throw him from Earth to Sun (yes, he killed him, but it was some Grandmaster game).
1.First scan is rather a feat for Hyperion, becuase Photon is a powerhouse... This only proves that he can and have fought with big guns. 2.And? a)low showing or b) writer forgot how fast he is. Many characters were speedblitzed by other in the past... Also there is nothing that would suggest that Hyperion was using his speed there.
" @Cosmic_Falcon : 1.First scan is rather a feat for Hyperion, becuase Photon is a powerhouse... This only proves that he can and have fought with big guns. 2.And? a)low showing or b) writer forgot how fast he is. Many characters were speedblitzed by other in the past... Also there is nothing that would suggest that Hyperion was using his speed there. "
1. Photon has never shown nanosecond reaction time, and Genis as Photon was never very powerful. 2. Or maybe, Hyperion just isn't very fast. It's really not debatable that Orion can and will tag him.
" @Cosmic_Falcon : 1.First scan is rather a feat for Hyperion, becuase Photon is a powerhouse... This only proves that he can and have fought with big guns. 2.And? a)low showing or b) writer forgot how fast he is. Many characters were speedblitzed by other in the past... Also there is nothing that would suggest that Hyperion was using his speed there. "
1. Photon has never shown nanosecond reaction time, and Genis as Photon was never very powerful. 2. Or maybe, Hyperion just isn't very fast. It's really not debatable that Orion can and will tag him. "
1.The point was that Photon is a powerhouse, not that he is FTL. 2.You right it isn't, because Orion won't do that. I am waiting for Orion's reaction speed feats. Hyperion hast, becuase he prove it, no matter how many times he didn't showed it :)
It doesn't matter if he's a power house, Photon tagged him, Speed Demon ran circles around him. Hyperion is slow, because slow characters like Thor and Photon tagged him. Orion can and will tag him and beat him to death. :)
Orion wins. He is significantly stronger and more durable than Hyperion. He has more firepower than Hyperion (thanks to the Atroforce) and if he is armed with his standard equipment he would also have a Motherbox, that is capable of many feats that tip the battle in even more of Orion's favour. Despite the fact that Hyperion has been shown once to have nano-second reaction time, lets look at the long line of his appearances to get a better feel for his typical reaction speeds. When you do that, you fine he has ben faught and beaten by people who are lot slower. Sure he has super speed reactions but I think that they are on par by Orions at best.
" Orion wins. He is significantly stronger and more durable than Hyperion. He has more firepower than Hyperion (thanks to the Atroforce) and if he is armed with his standard equipment he would also have a Motherbox, that is capable of many feats that tip the battle in even more of Orion's favour. Despite the fact that Hyperion has been shown once to have nano-second reaction time, lets look at the long line of his appearances to get a better feel for his typical reaction speeds. When you do that, you fine he has ben faught and beaten by people who are lot slower. Sure he has super speed reactions but I think that they are on par by Orions at best. "
He showed nanosecond speed reaction, You're point is good if we would consider what is in his character.
I mean, Hyperion like Thor, probably won't use it in character - with this I can agree - but out of character he has nanosecond sped reaction for sure and this will give him win.
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
" It doesn't matter if he's a power house, Photon tagged him, Speed Demon ran circles around him. Hyperion is slow, because slow characters like Thor and Photon tagged him. Orion can and will tag him and beat him to death. :) "
Look at my answer to the creator. And Thor has microsecond speed reaction.
how does this scan show hes a planet buster the closest i see to that is -it is the grappling of two opposing gravimetric fields that exerts the planet pulverising force cascading from their forms- If your using it as proof that he can match gladiator in strength thats not gonna help as gladiators strength changes with confidence. So if there any other proof hes a planet buster thats real proof? Orion easily moves faster than bullets and can match people like superman physically and is capable of 1 shotting him with his astro force. Hyperions evil copy defeating wonderman is nice and all and being nearly as strong as thor doesnt mean hes physically equal to Orion at all as Orion is equal to superman. Why would if matter if orion has ever survived planet busting shots/punches also as hyperion hasnt either, greatest feat for hyperion is matching gladiator in physically and gladiators strength changes all the time so we cant get a estimate on how strong they were there except in a narration that talks about there opposite gravimetric field being matched and it exerting enough force to pulverise a planet. Id also like to know hyperions average combat speed as the greatest speed feat hes got was said in narration and it said nanoseconds later... and showing a picture of hyperion punching gladiator and being blocked. And i wasnt using ABC logic before like you just did in comparing people beating people i was showing a strength level normal hyperion had compared to the other powerhouses in marvel and stating orion is physically equal to superman as hes shown this, but you used a evil version of hyperion fought thor and beat wonderman and that is different to what i said as thats comparing who he has fought not physical power.
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Why are you denying the feat ? It's a statement but you yourself are accepting the statements for Supes and denying the statements for Hyperion. Also read the rules feats liek this aren't to be thrown away. You're making case for Orion with ABC logic and yet denying feats of Hyperion.
how does this scan show hes a planet buster the closest i see to that is -it is the grappling of two opposing gravimetric fields that exerts the planet pulverising force cascading from their forms- If your using it as proof that he can match gladiator in strength thats not gonna help as gladiators strength changes with confidence. So if there any other proof hes a planet buster thats real proof? Orion easily moves faster than bullets and can match people like superman physically and is capable of 1 shotting him with his astro force. Hyperions evil copy defeating wonderman is nice and all and being nearly as strong as thor doesnt mean hes physically equal to Orion at all as Orion is equal to superman. Why would if matter if orion has ever survived planet busting shots/punches also as hyperion hasnt either, greatest feat for hyperion is matching gladiator in physically and gladiators strength changes all the time so we cant get a estimate on how strong they were there except in a narration that talks about there opposite gravimetric field being matched and it exerting enough force to pulverise a planet. Id also like to know hyperions average combat speed as the greatest speed feat hes got was said in narration and it said nanoseconds later... and showing a picture of hyperion punching gladiator and being blocked. And i wasnt using ABC logic before like you just did in comparing people beating people i was showing a strength level normal hyperion had compared to the other powerhouses in marvel and stating orion is physically equal to superman as hes shown this, but you used a evil version of hyperion fought thor and beat wonderman and that is different to what i said as thats comparing who he has fought not physical power.
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Why are you denying the feat ? It's a statement but you yourself are accepting the statements for Supes and denying the statements for Hyperion. Also read the rules feats liek this aren't to be thrown away. You're making case for Orion with ABC logic and yet denying feats of Hyperion.
" Orion wins. He is significantly stronger and more durable than Hyperion. He has more firepower than Hyperion (thanks to the Atroforce) and if he is armed with his standard equipment he would also have a Motherbox, that is capable of many feats that tip the battle in even more of Orion's favour. Despite the fact that Hyperion has been shown once to have nano-second reaction time, lets look at the long line of his appearances to get a better feel for his typical reaction speeds. When you do that, you fine he has ben faught and beaten by people who are lot slower. Sure he has super speed reactions but I think that they are on par by Orions at best. "
He showed nanosecond speed reaction, You're point is good if we would consider what is in his character.
I mean, Hyperion like Thor, probably won't use it in character - with this I can agree - but out of character he has nanosecond sped reaction for sure and this will give him win.
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
" It doesn't matter if he's a power house, Photon tagged him, Speed Demon ran circles around him. Hyperion is slow, because slow characters like Thor and Photon tagged him. Orion can and will tag him and beat him to death. :) "
Look at my answer to the creator. And Thor has microsecond speed reaction. "
It's funny, on the Thor vs Black Adam thread you disregarded Adam fighting Jay Garrick because it only happened once, but now you want to shove Hyperion and nanosecondS in everyone's face even though the narration only happened once? Double standard much? Slow characters have hit Hyperion numerous times, that part isn't really up for debate. Unless you have several scans of Hyperion running circles around other characters then speed isn't going to be a factor here.
@TheFallenOne: what do you mean this feat doesnt state he actually has the strength to bust a planet it just talks about the gravimetric effects of there opposing forces being capable of pulverising a planet, than it shows him physically matching gladiator whos strength changes alot, its the easiest thing ever to down play this feat as it doesnt 1. show him busting a planet 2. doesnt show him a matching a planet buster as gladiators strength changes 3. only sais something in narration that talks about how there opposing gravitimetric fields are together exerting planet pulverizing force. This doesnt in any way go into planet busting force and it goes against basically everything hyperion has shown in terms of strength throughout his whole history if you think that.
I'm going with Orion... Even if I wasn't a huge Orion mark I'd be able to see he takes this one... Too Strong, too Tough and Too Vicious. Orion has shown more than one occasion where Superman struggles to hang with him.
" It's funny, on the Thor vs Black Adam thread you disregarded Adam fighting Jay Garrick because it only happened once, but now you want to shove Hyperion and nanosecondS in everyone's face even though the narration only happened once? Double standard much? Slow characters have hit Hyperion numerous times, that part isn't really up for debate. Unless you have several scans of Hyperion running circles around other characters then speed isn't going to be a factor here. "
No, I haven't, I've said that it isn't a feat, because Black Adam was speedblitzed. He didn't defend himself, so it isn't a feat. Also in narration it wasn't exaclty said how fast they were. I always consider such a feats. I've seen Superman only once using nanosecond speed reaction - I have no problem with putting Supe in this class. I've never seen Wonder Woman using nanosecond speed reaction, but I belive Batman (because he is one of the smartest man on DC Earth) that she is faster in combat than Superman, so she is in that class too. Something similar is with Martian Manhunter. Flash only once show picosecond speed reaction and for me he is fastest than any other superhero in this level (((IMO he will defeat probably any superhero in this level who has normal body))). Guardians only once used their power in galaxy level and it is enough for me. Superman only once survived Supernova - enough for me.
I can say the same about many DC characters. You just see it about Marvel's, because if You us two disagree, it is about Marvel vs. DC battle in which You're with DC one and I'm with Marvel one. This is the only reason why You see it in this way. Look at almost any Flash and Martian battle with Marvel superheroes like Thor, Binary, Gladiator, Hyperion, BRB or brutes like Hulk, Kurse and Drax. In any of this fight I was with DC guys (only problem for me now is Thor and his resistance to TP).
@Vance Astro said:
" There are scans for two different Hyperion's in here..... "
I know. The second one (from New Thunderbolts)comes from Squadron Sinister, but I am not entierly sure about his orgin. Is it the same who killed Wonder Man in the past?
He did defend himself, if you look at the scan he was pacing himself and trading punches with Jay.
@czarny_samael said:
" I know. The second one (from New Thunderbolts)comes from Squadron Sinister, but I am not entierly sure about his orgin. Is it the same who killed Wonder Man in the past? "
OP Doesn't specify which version of the character that's in this fight.
Orion has super strength that is sufficent to fight with being on Superman level. Athough some comics tend to ignore his fighting skills he has shwon incredible skills that would put him on a high end level he has use this skills to beat being such has Darkseid and his astro force is deadly weapon in itself it is capble of destroying planets. He once use the astro force to 3/4 a quaters of Apokilps which is an incredle feats because the materials are far more denser then any other materials in any on Earth. He has taken blows that are powerful then Hyperion can deliver such tanking energy blast from Mantis who is an high end energy manipulater a being who is capable of absoring anti matter, green lantern energy, magical energy and other forms of energy he also has immerse strength and Orion has been toe to toe with him has beaten him in an energy blast match just by using his astro force from his wristband which use less foucsed and power then the harness. He can increase his striking power and they are other ways he can beat him. Hyperion has not shown any feats that would put him on Orion levels.
" There are scans for two different Hyperion's in here..... "
I know. The second one (from New Thunderbolts)comes from Squadron Sinister, but I am not entierly sure about his orgin. Is it the same who killed Wonder Man in the past? "
I don't even know anymore.There has been like 4 Hyperions in Earth-616....
" He did defend himself, if you look at the scan he was pacing himself and trading punches with Jay.
@czarny_samael said:
" I know. The second one (from New Thunderbolts)comes from Squadron Sinister, but I am not entierly sure about his orgin. Is it the same who killed Wonder Man in the past? "
OP Doesn't specify which version of the character that's in this fight. "
1.I don't think so. But, If You want to talk about it, bump that thread. 2.Ok... So can You agree that version that I've used is that fast?
Until someone will prove that Orion has nanosecond speed reaction like Hyperion:
, Hyperion ftw.
hedefinitey dpes as a matter of fact. he's even speedblitzed someone who smack around a being who's main powerset was nanosecond reactions.....Orion is THE badass of DC imo and its a shame he's featured so sparingly.....but yeah. Orion has insane reaction speed
Theyre quite hard to come by because he has so few appearances. i have a few of his books but the only way i could provide scans is through a very tedious process of taking photos and emailing them to myself then blah blah blah.....you get the idea. but Orion wins this fight.....close to a stomp imo
Until someone will prove that Orion has nanosecond speed reaction like Hyperion:
, Hyperion ftw.
hedefinitey dpes as a matter of fact. he's even speedblitzed someone who smack around a being who's main powerset was nanosecond reactions.....Orion is THE badass of DC imo and its a shame he's featured so sparingly.....but yeah. Orion has insane reaction speed
When did this happen? I have most of the New Gods Volumes so I probably have the scan if you can't upload it yourself
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