I find this claim of Naruto defeating Pain really ridiculous. Did any of you really read Naruto...?
Naruto manage to defeat some paths due pain suffering from huge chakra lose and cool down and due to full intel, proper strategic counter from pa and ma with help of three boss summons not to mentioned pa and ma were also perfect sage. Naruto has never displayed any feats to suggest that he can summon all of them by himself. Without those helps SM Naruto will get soloed by CYberus.
And the moment Deva paths came into action pretty much stomp them effortlessly, and Naruto needed plot to win the fight. So please stop pretending SM Naruto will stand a chance against PAIN without plot.
@vintage_spiderman: Can't Bee substitute out of Amaterasu? Also saying Sasuke starts with amaterasu and wins is like me saying Bee starts with a tailed beast bomb and wins.
@great_black_star: It was 3v1 and Bee was playing with them. It doesn't matter if they were trying to take him alive. If Sasuke's backup wasn't there he literally would of died. Bee's tailed beast bomb would vaporize Sasuke's suanoo too.
Bee was owning Sasuke only before Sasuke reasort to use MS.
The moment Sasuke use his MS with ama he one shotted Bee.
And you are trying to downplay Sasuke, 16 yr old uchiha CS less with three tomoe Sharingan and still recovering from a death match while holding back losing to a 40 plus yr old perfect jinchuriki who is using bijuu chakra with perfect control is not a low showing. And the funny thing is that 16 yr kid did one shotted this perfect jinchuriku the moment he doesn't hold back.
And its off topic, Sasuke low diff win this battle anyway
Ya with his chakra cloak he one shotted him. Without it he was still wining the 3 on 1.
What? If Bijuu legt Bee would have died. Bee manage to escape with his transformation like he did against Madara.
But because he escaped he was unharmed. That's like saying if someone would of died if they didn't use the substitution jutsu it means they are weaker. No, substitution jutsu is a technique they can use.
Given the same circumstances, info and prep time with support Sasuke will out done Naruto.
I'm not sure what you are talking about here.
And if Naruto get his summons then Sasuke also got his, Sasuke still neg diff in that scenario
Sasuke's summons at this point is just the bird. Naruto can summon all 6 frogs.
And ABC logic don't apply here, Naruto dies here unless you provide me how Naruto' counter to ama
Sasuke might win with hax, but Naruto is stronger and faster.
@vintage_spiderman: Can't Bee substitute out of Amaterasu? Also saying Sasuke starts with amaterasu and wins is like me saying Bee starts with a tailed beast bomb and wins.
1.) I wasn't saying he'd 100% for sure start off with ama just it'd be an option if things got hectic. You think Sasuke if he had ama up his sleeves pre Bee skewering him initially he wouldn't have said f**k the mission and used in the "it's me or him situation" lol it's survival at that point. Plus he can extinguish it if necessary.
2.) Sasuke in character is a lot more likely to use full force than any other character in NV...like what do you mean? :/
3.) Bee got lucky with the subbing tactic....this isn't something that's actually full proof against ama which could be spawned on him at any point in time without Bee's prior knowledge due to Bee not having precog nor the proper dojutsu to sense chakra build up nor v2 Raikage or above level speeds canonically to move at last second.
@great_black_star and oh yeah I almost forgot his goal was to take him in alive...further hindering him.
@great_black_star: It was 3v1 and Bee was playing with them. It doesn't matter if they were trying to take him alive. If Sasuke's backup wasn't there he literally would of died. Bee's tailed beast bomb would vaporize Sasuke's suanoo too.
To be fair though it was basically really only a 1v1 as the rest of Sasuke's gang is significantly weaker than him, and their only real perks overall served to be their inability to die easily as well as distract(Suigetsu and Jugo), and lastly the decent support skills found in Karin(sensing and healing for him on his command)....
They basically did very little(besides keep Sauce alive) they were just annoyances to Bee more anything, and base Sasuke already owned/established his dominance over these guys pre recruitment so yeah lets not overhype Bee for "3v1".
In fact the only person to harm Bee in that fight was Sasuke. So much help they were hahahahaha.
1.) I wasn't saying he'd 100% for sure start off with ama just it'd be an option if things got hectic. You think Sasuke if he had ama up his sleeves pre Bee skewering him initially he wouldn't have said f**k the mission and used in the "it's me or him situation" lol it's survival at that point. Plus he can extinguish it if necessary.
Bee wasn't fighting to kill either though. He could of just went 8 tails and used his strongest bijuu bomb to destroy the area around them killing everyone.
2.) Sasuke in character is a lot more likely to use full force than any other character in NV...like what do you mean? :/
Not sure what you are saying here and I don't remember saying Sasuke ins't likely to use full force.
3.) Bee got lucky with the subbing tactic....this isn't something that's actually full proof against ama which could be spawned on him at any point in time without Bee's prior knowledge due to Bee not having precog nor the proper dojutsu to sense chakra build up nor v2 Raikage or above level speeds canonically to move at last second.
And Sasuke's lucky Bee didn't just decide to vaporize him. How is Sasuke getting away from a multi mountain level bijuu bomb?
To be fair though it was basically really only a 1v1 as the rest of Sasuke's gang is significantly weaker than him, and their only real perks overall served to be their inability to die easily as well as distract(Suigetsu and Jugo), and lastly the decent support skills found in Karin(sensing and healing for him on his command)....
It seems pretty clear Bee was written to be above Sasuke at that point. Sasuke's only chance is his hax.
They basically did very little(besides keep Sauce alive)
1.) I wasn't saying he'd 100% for sure start off with ama just it'd be an option if things got hectic. You think Sasuke if he had ama up his sleeves pre Bee skewering him initially he wouldn't have said f**k the mission and used in the "it's me or him situation" lol it's survival at that point. Plus he can extinguish it if necessary.
Bee wasn't fighting to kill either though. He could of just went 8 tails and used his strongest bijuu bomb to destroy the area around them killing everyone.
2.) Sasuke in character is a lot more likely to use full force than any other character in NV...like what do you mean? :/
Not sure what you are saying here and I don't remember saying Sasuke ins't likely to use full force.
3.) Bee got lucky with the subbing tactic....this isn't something that's actually full proof against ama which could be spawned on him at any point in time without Bee's prior knowledge due to Bee not having precog nor the proper dojutsu to sense chakra build up nor v2 Raikage or above level speeds canonically to move at last second.
And Sasuke's lucky Bee didn't just decide to vaporize him. How is Sasuke getting away from a multi mountain level bijuu bomb?
To be fair though it was basically really only a 1v1 as the rest of Sasuke's gang is significantly weaker than him, and their only real perks overall served to be their inability to die easily as well as distract(Suigetsu and Jugo), and lastly the decent support skills found in Karin(sensing and healing for him on his command)....
It seems pretty clear Bee was written to be above Sasuke at that point. Sasuke's only chance is his hax.
They basically did very little(besides keep Sauce alive)
That's very important, lol.
1.) Bee wasn't fighting to kill? I can't believe you just insulted his intelligence like that....just, because everyone doesn't fight like 100% strongest technique off the gate in Naruto doesn't mean they are nerfed by plot(unless it's already established within their character they do that) or that their not fighting to kill definitively...it's just his character or rather in character action to start off that way consistently.
For instance i.e. if ems Sasuke was shown not spamming susano'o and ama it'd be out of his character thus unjustified character action/interaction based on what we've seen "all" of his other fights. Just not Bee's style to open with BB consistently thus we can't conclude that plot nerfed him or he wasn't trying to kill the people he impaled with multiple swords, chest he smashed open, or tried to crush in general, etc.... sounds like deadly force to me. Lol he even at one point pondered why his strike wasn't a fatal blow.
2.) I was stating my rebuttal to you saying if Sasuke had ama he wouldn't use it. And also yes they were in fact holding back(below) at the very least pre Bee manhandling all three in a row and impaling Sasuke with multiple blades.
And even then this is only Suigetsu explaining his grievances against the idea of not using deadly force. Nobody else even comments against doing otherwise.
3.) Sasuke is actually lucky Bee doesn't fight out of character. And didn't nuke him out of nowhere true statement.
4.) And you are right...I would hope a grown man who is the perfect jin of second strongest tailed beast out of nine would be superior to teen Sauce with three tomoe no cm, no ms, no ems, no rinnegan or et cetera. Besides the power levels of NV would be pretty low if not the case....lmao.
5.) Yes it is, but it's as far as their help ever amounted to....you make it seem like Sasuke's gang was actually a threat to Bee...they weren't it was basically 1v1 with one character having health potions.
1.) Bee wasn't fighting to kill? I can't believe you just insulted his intelligence like that....just, because everyone doesn't fight like 100% strongest technique off the gate in Naruto doesn't mean they are nerfed by plot(unless it's already established within their character they do that) or that their not fighting to kill definitively...it's just his character or rather in character action to start off that way consistently.
I don't think you understand what I meant. I didn't mean he has to go 8 tails to mean he is fighting to kill. Bee was rapping and writing things down as he was fighting. He wasn't fighting all out until near the end of the fight, and even then I wouldn't say he was truly going all out.
I was stating my rebuttal to you saying if Sasuke had ama he wouldn't use it. And also yes they were in fact holding back(below) at the very least pre Bee manhandling all three in a row and impaling Sasuke with multiple blades.
Both sides were holding back. They were fighting to capture Bee, and Bee was rapping while playing around with them.
Yes it is, but it's as far as their help ever amounted to....you make it seem like Sasuke's gang was actually a threat to Bee...they weren't it was basically 1v1 with one character having health potions.
They weren't' a threat directly but they actually played their support roles nicely.
1.) Bee wasn't fighting to kill? I can't believe you just insulted his intelligence like that....just, because everyone doesn't fight like 100% strongest technique off the gate in Naruto doesn't mean they are nerfed by plot(unless it's already established within their character they do that) or that their not fighting to kill definitively...it's just his character or rather in character action to start off that way consistently.
I don't think you understand what I meant. I didn't mean he has to go 8 tails to mean he is fighting to kill. Bee was rapping and writing things down as he was fighting. He wasn't fighting all out until near the end of the fight, and even then I wouldn't say he was truly going all out.
I was stating my rebuttal to you saying if Sasuke had ama he wouldn't use it. And also yes they were in fact holding back(below) at the very least pre Bee manhandling all three in a row and impaling Sasuke with multiple blades.
Both sides were holding back. They were fighting to capture Bee, and Bee was rapping while playing around with them.
Yes it is, but it's as far as their help ever amounted to....you make it seem like Sasuke's gang was actually a threat to Bee...they weren't it was basically 1v1 with one character having health potions.
They weren't' a threat directly but they actually played their support roles nicely.
Well considering the damage done to the kyuubi while naruto was struggling for controls of the nine tails by a rasenshuriken, I kinda have to go with naruto. While Sasuke does have a chance with amat and genjutsu, I dont see him pulling it off with a horde of said clones. Nor his wierd senjutsu sensing thing, and with the addition of how he was able to pick up the nine tails and those large tusked rinnegan rhinos, I dont see his stage 3 susanoo as much of a challenge for his clones. I feel like if he does manage to land a rasen shuriken on sasuke that's essentially a game over.
PS: A lttle new to this, Just finished the naruto manga recently.
Naruto wins with high difficulty. Sasuke cant survive hits from sm and that sussanok has very low mobility and naruto can throw barrage of attacks. While sasuke can run of chakra very quickly and camt use ms too much, naruto has high stamina and can use the sm again. Also sasuke cant see the invisible attacks and doesnt start with sussanoo, so het can get oneshotted if naruto is serious. Sasuke is glass canon and the uchiha wank by kishmoto is the only reason he could go hand to hand with bm naruto in there last fight
This 1s pretty tricky and for those of you who say that Naruto stated that he the Kyubii to defeat Sasuke as evdience that MS Sasuke is stronger. Let's not forget that Sasuke also stated that he needed Itachi's eyes to combat Naruto as well.
Oh and before anyone says that it was because of blindness.
1. Even if that was true Sasuke knew about the side effects going back to his battle against Itachi
2. The only who was concerned about Sasuke being blind was Obito. The only time Sasuke was concerned aboit ghe side effect was when it back on him when fighting Kakashi
3. Sasuke literally says that it was for a power up as you can see here
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