Goku and Janemba vs Gohan and Super Buu

Rules:

• In-Character
• Random Encounter
• Standard Gear
• Win by Incap, KO or Death
• Who Wins and Why?

I'm pretty sure the movies scale differently to the canon story but I think Janemba = Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Goku

Gohan and Buu wreck. Goku is fodder but Janemba is in their league but Gohan is the MVP

Janemba tanked several hits from ssj gogeta who is confirmed to be equal to ssj vegito

Gohan and buu can’t even hurt him.

team 1 b/c goku's ability to comeback from anything

Gohan and Buu seem to have demonstrated a lot more at their peak. I'll side with them for a majority.

Gohan Solo's....

Janemba solo; movies characters are way stronger than anime

@scotchbear:

from ssj gogeta who is confirmed to be equal to ssj vegito

Not confirmed, since it isn't talking about in a power-level sense.

https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1070924543961686016:

Daizenshuu still says Potara gives a bigger boost, and that movie was made years before this statement, which came just yesterday.

To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.

Janemba solos.

Anyone can challenge me on this.

Btw:

That's super janemba.

This is janemba

@karkus: herms98 said it translates to “neither being superior to the other” or something along those lines

Herms don’t lie mate

@karkus: also Toriyama holds retcon power

He can change whatever he wants in his story.

@scotchbear:

herms98 said it translates to “neither being superior to the other” or something along those lines

That's not referring to power, and Herms never said it did. Ken already clarified what the article was talking about, and it wasn't power.

Herms don’t lie mate

And neither does Ken.

@scotchbear:

also Toriyama holds retcon power

But he never retconned that statement. Unless you can disprove Ken's translation, and prove he wrote that article.

@karkus: bro that doesn’t even make sense

“Neither of them is superior to the other, except in power, the most important asset in dragon ball, then Vegito is superior” see how dumb that sounds?

You’re referencing a guidebook that has been retconned several times throughout dbs. Doesn’t that same guidebook say that goku landed on earth as an infant? When clearly the movie shows him as a toddler/kid before he even leaves lol

@karkus: also both can’t be the greatest and the strongest if one is greater and stronger.

Comon now

@scotchbear: @scotchbear:

Neither of them is superior to the other, except in power, the most important asset in dragon ball, then Vegito is superior”

No, neither of them are generally superior to eachother. Vegito has power, Gogeta has the endurance.

You’re referencing a guidebook that has been retconned several times throughout dbs.

Show the several times it has been retconned.

Doesn’t that same guidebook say that goku landed on earth as an infant?

Don't recall this.

also both can’t be the greatest and the strongest if one is greater and stronger.

It just says greatest. And they are the greatest trump cards, better than all others.

Team one tbh, people need to stop forgetting the movie versions are more powerful than their canon counterparts.

@karkus: imma need a source on gogeta having greater endurance

Vegito didn’t last long because he used the final kamahameha which used all his fusion timer.

We don’t know how long the fusion would last if they hadn’t used that move

There has been several soft retcons through dbs

@scotchbear:

imma need a source on gogeta having greater endurance

Gogeta fired his strongest attack at Broly, but didn't defuse. They definitly don't have equal endurance, as Potara was supposed to last 60 minutes, while Fusion was meant to last 30.

There has been several soft retcons through dbs

What retcons the Daizenshuu?

@karkus: did he fire a final kamahameha?? If not then you can’t compare

How about Vegito being an unlimited fusion duration getting retconned lol

@scotchbear:

did he fire a final kamahameha?? If not then you can’t compare

He fired his strongest attack. Why would Vegito's strongest attack be more draining than Gogeta's?

This is nothing more than wishful thinking, they're obviously stating their power is equal.

They don't say that their power is equal. This thinking is supported by reliable translators who say it isn't referring to power.

Team 2.

@karkus: Herms definitely words his translation as if it means they are even in power

That's a matter of interpretation, as he never actually says it means power. One can say he doesn't make it clear.

@karkus: sorry misclicked the flag button. I unflagged immediately afterwards.

Why are you so determined to not accept that gogeta=Vegito

It’s not a big deal bro.

But regardless, Janemba has a massive durability advantage, do you think Gohan or Super Buu could tank HARD shots from ssj Vegito or gogeta? Because I see them instadying lol

@scotchbear: It's not a big deal, and it doesn't matter either way. I just don't think that they are equal.

Gogeta = vegito at this point.

Team one wins by miles.

@myleftbuttcheeksolos:

Gogeta = vegito at this point.

I disagree due to this.

Super Janemba can solo.

@karkus: that's nice.

One translation when others have disagreed means that point is moot.

So, still, as stands, gogeta = vegito at this point

OT: again, Team 1 quite comfortably.

@myleftbuttcheeksolos: Only two translations from renound and reliable translators came up, Ken and Herms. Some disagree with Herms as well. As it stands, it's Vegito > Gogeta due to Daizenshuu statement, but Team 1 does win.

@karkus: using feats ssb gogeta>ssb Vegito

Vegito struggled somewhat against someone weaker than jiren

Gogeta curbed someone stronger than jiren

@scotchbear:

Goku and Vegeta after the ToP are far stronger than their Black Saga Versions.

So you're using Vegito at a time when the Saiyans were weaker to justify Gogeta being stronger?

It was literally said that neither is inferior...

That's vague, and we don't know if that's talking in general, or in all aspects. Ken says it isn't anything about power though.

There is nothing vague about someone saying that neither fusion is inferior to the other and saying they're equally matched. Herms does say that it is talking about power, as the text implies. And why wouldn't they be equals in all aspects when again it literally says they're equally matched?

Gohan and Buu wreck. Goku is the weak link here.

Still stands, gogeta = vegito at this point

OT: still team 1

No, it's vague because it's not talking about what specific aspects, but according to Ken, it's not power. Where does Herms say it's power? We know they aren't equal in all aspects, such as duration. Potara lasts 60 minutes (or less depending on if the user's output more power than the earrings can handle) while Fusion Dance lasts 30.

Still stands, Vegito > Gogeta at this point.

OT: Still Team 1.

No, it's vague because it's not talking about what specific aspects, but according to Ken, it's not power. Where does Herms say it's power? We know they aren't equal in all aspects, such as duration. Potara lasts 60 minutes (or less depending on if the user's output more power than what the earrings can handle) while Fusion Dance lasts 30 minutes.

The fact that people somehow manage to argue Gogeta's parity with Vegito despite the fact that the Daizenshuu and the manga canonically puts the Potara's Fusion as miles stronger, puts them in a bigger hole of delusion than Einstein can possibly comprehend.

On topic, either Gohan or Super Buu solos with laughable ease, even SSJ Gogeta would lose to either of them.

That has nothing to do with Gogeta or Vegito's stamina, it has to do with how each fusion works. The fusion dance's timelimit is 30 minutes while the potara is an hour, having different timelimits for the fusions doesn't mean they have different physical limitations to their endurance.

Except it was clearly established that Gogeta and Vegito are equals

Perhaps I should have clarified, they aren't equal in all aspects because Gogeta should last longer than Vegito due to how the fusion's work.

Gohan solos. Ssj 3 Goku wasn't considered a match for Super Buu and Gohan kicked the shit out of him. Janemba had trouble with that same Goku. His hax is good but not good enough to overcome such a stat disadvantage.