Emperor Palpatine vs Invisible Woman

@punyaamrit: @sheevsmacker: her shields are not physical but psionic (therefore can block non physical attacks) they have survived in a void that ended up swallowing an entire universe, she's blocked tp from top tier telepaths. her shields can activate on their own (as well as be present when asleep or unconscious) or she can activate them at the speed of thought. they're incredibly durable and even can withstand attacks against galactus. it even works against magic. so once again.

He.Has.No.Way.To.Deal.With.Her.Shields.

@punyaamrit: @sheevsmacker: her shields are not physical but psionic (therefore can block non physical attacks) they have survived in a void that ended up swallowing an entire universe, she's blocked tp from top tier telepaths. her shields can activate on their own (as well as be present when asleep or unconscious) or she can activate them at the speed of thought. they're incredibly durable and even can withstand attacks against galactus. it even works against magic. so once again.

have her shields block soul manipulation, force drain,TP? I already told you that sue surviving universal destruction is a huge outlier, and show me feats of where she has blocked TP, lol sue has average human level reaction speeds iirc, since when does she have lightspeed reaction and perception speed? lol I hope you know that whenever a mid/low high tier survives universal level destruction or attacks from galactus level beings, we don't count them as usable feats and force isn't magic

He.Has.No.Way.To.Deal.With.Her.Shields.

he doesn't need to, he can incapacitate sue from outside

@punyaamrit: it isn't really an outlier so stop saying it, especially when you're showing you don't know what she can and can't block out. sue is a mid to high tier. we include galactus feats so idk what you're talking about, especially since she's shown to be able to block or shut his abilities down multiple times.

yeah right sue blocking universal attacks and attacks from big G are very much outliers, you yourself say that she is mid to low high tier and then try to conclude that her shielding attacks from galan is a reliable feat, like what the hell? and sue can block and shut down galactus' abilities?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/invisible-woman/4005-2190/forums/can-sues-forcefields-stop-telepathy-686555/

has palaptines abilities ever gone through a psionic shield thats capable of blocking matter manipulation, of withstanding a nova, or containing a gama bomb? no i don't think they have. the fact that the force isn't magic makes it worse for him, because she has and can block out tk.

first of all none of those feats have any use here palpatine cannot use matter manipulation, her withstanding a super nova is okay-ish but you're gonna have to show me more consistent feats and how powerful are gamma bombs anyway? lol palpatine can also drain, soul switch sue, what she gonna do then?

@punyaamrit: here she not only blocks out tp, but also shuts down jeans tk.

@sheevsmacker: sue is capable of even preventing air from being inside her bubble, he's not doing shit to her

@oraclefromhel said:

@punyaamrit: here she not only blocks out tp, but also shuts down jeans tk.

lol is this consistent? so far I have seen two feats of her blocking out TP from the classic age and one feat of emma penetrating her shields

and considering the emma did it so casually, palpatine literally goes through her shields a knife through hot butter, sue blocking out psionics is pretty inconsistent so i'm pretty sure palps stomps

Palpatine stomps. Get this mid tier out of here.

sue wipes the floor with this 2nd rate geezer

@punyaamrit: first off, palp isn't on emma's level (he's lower) second emma did it by surprise, third i find it funny how you call it inconsistent then use the one antifeat against it when there's more showings of it working. nice fail.

sue before the restart to issue 1 had blocked telepathy on several occasions

@punyaamrit said:

@oraclefromhel said:

@punyaamrit: it isn't really an outlier so stop saying it, especially when you're showing you don't know what she can and can't block out. sue is a mid to high tier. we include galactus feats so idk what you're talking about, especially since she's shown to be able to block or shut his abilities down multiple times.

yeah right sue blocking universal attacks and attacks from big G are very much outliers, you yourself say that she is mid to low high tier and then try to conclude that her shielding attacks from galan is a reliable feat, like what the hell? and sue can block and shut down galactus' abilities?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/invisible-woman/4005-2190/forums/can-sues-forcefields-stop-telepathy-686555/

has palaptines abilities ever gone through a psionic shield thats capable of blocking matter manipulation, of withstanding a nova, or containing a gama bomb? no i don't think they have. the fact that the force isn't magic makes it worse for him, because she has and can block out tk.

first of all none of those feats have any use here palpatine cannot use matter manipulation, her withstanding a super nova is okay-ish but you're gonna have to show me more consistent feats and how powerful are gamma bombs anyway? lol palpatine can also drain, soul switch sue, what she gonna do then?

@oraclefromhel said:

@punyaamrit: here she not only blocks out tp, but also shuts down jeans tk.

lol is this consistent? so far I have seen two feats of her blocking out TP from the classic age and one feat of emma penetrating her shields

and considering the emma did it so casually, palpatine literally goes through her shields a knife through hot butter, sue blocking out psionics is pretty inconsistent so i'm pretty sure palps stomps

Palpatine stomps. Get this mid tier out of here.

@comic_book_fan said:

sue before the restart to issue 1 had blocked telepathy on several occasions

@punyaamrit said:

@oraclefromhel said:

@punyaamrit: it isn't really an outlier so stop saying it, especially when you're showing you don't know what she can and can't block out. sue is a mid to high tier. we include galactus feats so idk what you're talking about, especially since she's shown to be able to block or shut his abilities down multiple times.

yeah right sue blocking universal attacks and attacks from big G are very much outliers, you yourself say that she is mid to low high tier and then try to conclude that her shielding attacks from galan is a reliable feat, like what the hell? and sue can block and shut down galactus' abilities?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/invisible-woman/4005-2190/forums/can-sues-forcefields-stop-telepathy-686555/

has palaptines abilities ever gone through a psionic shield thats capable of blocking matter manipulation, of withstanding a nova, or containing a gama bomb? no i don't think they have. the fact that the force isn't magic makes it worse for him, because she has and can block out tk.

first of all none of those feats have any use here palpatine cannot use matter manipulation, her withstanding a super nova is okay-ish but you're gonna have to show me more consistent feats and how powerful are gamma bombs anyway? lol palpatine can also drain, soul switch sue, what she gonna do then?

@oraclefromhel said:

@punyaamrit: here she not only blocks out tp, but also shuts down jeans tk.

lol is this consistent? so far I have seen two feats of her blocking out TP from the classic age and one feat of emma penetrating her shields

and considering the emma did it so casually, palpatine literally goes through her shields a knife through hot butter, sue blocking out psionics is pretty inconsistent so i'm pretty sure palps stomps

even if she has telepathic resistance, and that's a big IF, palpatine is leagues above any person who you have previously mentioned even emma, jean etc. not to mention she doesn't have any answer to drain, essence transfer, force storm etc. even if she kills him palpatine simply occupies her body

watcher's are fare more powerful telepaths

mind transference sounds familar

sue's shields are capable of shutting down peoples powers, and even blocking attacks inside them.

Sidious still stomps. Lock this mismatch.

@oraclefromhel said:

can you read. i said force is omnipresent. that mean it everywhere. by definition force everywhere including inside her bubble and she cannot stop that otherwise force not truly omnipresent. you a fanboy.

Can she react at the speed of light?

she has reacted to things that can move faster than light

Can she dominant trillions of minds at a time which many of them had TP defenses?

no she doesn't have telepathy but she has telepathy immunity while her shields are up

Can she destroy planets?

maybe not she never tried but she can protect planets from things that can destroy them.

Can she move wormholes?

never seen her try

Can she suck out life out of a planet?

she currently can as aweilder of the power cosmic but not in her usual power set but she has fought plenty of characters that can even with her base powers and won

Is she immortal?

currently yes but again not usually

Does she have a Saber that can burn through things that withstand planetary weapons?

she has ripped open watcher bases and punched a hole through alternate reality galactus

Can she reduce an entire fleet of future technology spaceships, which withstand Plasma canons that easily destroyed continents, to ash with lightning?

not with lightning but probably

These are a fraction of the power and versatility Sheev posses and this list can become a trilogy of books so...

Sidious CURBS her.

no he doesn't he does have powers to effect her but nothing says he picks the right power before knocks him unconscious

Force users are basically reality manipulators, cause The Force IS reality with Midi-chlorians being the bricks of existence.

@comic_book_fan:

she has reacted to things that can move faster than light

If you could provide scans I appreciate, cause as of my readings she is at best above hypersonic.

no she doesn't have telepathy but she has telepathy immunity while her shields are up

Ok here is the thing, telepathy works differently in Star Wars mythos. The Force is basically bricks of reality so they don't telepathically insert sth on a person's mind like other comics and mythos, but instead alter the mind and characteristics of that person like shaping reality.

that makes no sense why would the jedi mind trick only work on weak minds if it were reality warping

Still, I was only stating how massive his power levels are. Susan may or may not defend herself against Sheev's TP, which I think she can't, it's not at all a win condition for Sidious.

maybe not she never tried but she can protect planets from things that can destroy them.

Scans will be helpful, I only have seen her defend against atomic level threats in her consistent feats.

recently before she got the power up she was able to shield a planet from void sentry who was going to one shot the whole planet

never seen her try

So she has not.

currently yes but again not usually

So if you kill her in any way she returns back to life?

while she has the power cosmic yes

she currently can as aweilder of the power cosmic but not in her usual power set but she has fought plenty of characters that can even with her base powers and won

Still, we are talking about her power levels. Squirrel Girl has beaten Thanos that doesn't make her Galaxy Level.

she has ripped open watcher bases and punched a hole through alternate reality galactus

not with lightning but probably

Wasn't that the Ultimate version of her?

no it was the heroes return version which was what became regular canon it was after they returned to the 616 universe from franklin's pocket universe

no he doesn't he does have powers to effect her but nothing says he picks the right power before knocks him unconscious

He is faster by a very large margin, He has no morals, He has precognition, He is more versatile and He is way more cunning. He will pick the right one before she can blink.

So in a random counter, she has next to zero chance. and don't forget Sidious can try multiple times since he doesn't die.

Hell, Sheev can just drain her soul out and call it a day.

a ko counts as a win so if he tries force lightning and she counters by koing him with a forcefield attack than even though he might comeback that still counts as a win for her

@reaperace: I advise you to not debate with oraclefromhel, the user uses outliers and inconsistent feats and is very clearly extremely biased for sue

I stopped debating completely when I saw they have no knowledge of EU Sidious, I respect every opinion but I hate when people start debating on sth the know little about Like TP only works on weak-minded in Star Wars smh.

@reaperace: I advise you to not debate with oraclefromhel, the user uses outliers and inconsistent feats and is very clearly extremely biased for sue