Doctor Doom vs Gilgamesh

Doctor Doom

VS

Gilgamesh

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Callouts:

Penny for your thoughts on this battle? Since he is the anime character, here is Gilgamesh's Reddit respect thread for anyone interested in this thread.

Doom wins with prep, without it Gills stomps him hard GoB, Ea abd chains of heaven spam GG.

Yeah I'm not really convinced of Doom being that powerful in random encounters.

@highaccuser: I'd make an argument, but I wanna see gill' s feats first.

Gil.

@life_without_progress: Put me on your callouts for anything Fate related. Thanks.

Gilgamesh wins.

Doom converts Gilgamesh into energy and absorbs him, it worked on Hell-Lord level being like Nightmare, sure as hell it would work on Gilgamesh.

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Which version of Gilgamesh?

@lord_spectrum: Gilgamesh is already made out of od magical energy to begin with so there's no matter to convert. Also, he has resistance against energy/soul absorbing. Caster and Rider for example can also absorb life/magic energy.

Gil destroys him in a random match. He's massively faster, basically immune to magic, and he has several ways of oneshotting.

@lord_spectrum said:

Doom converts Gilgamesh into energy and absorbs him, it worked on Hell-Lord level being like Nightmare, sure as hell it would work on Gilgamesh.

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To be fair, in that instance Doom had converted Nightmare from unreality to regular reality using his actuality shield, which rendered Nightmare powerless at that time.

Doom has shown to have a lot of power and hax over the course of his long career. He can trap people in illusion and use magic or tech to attack the mind (mindraped Classic Magneto, trapped soldiers in illusions of pain and made Iron Man look like a fool by feeding his mind illusions while greatly weakened), has anti-matter weapons, his blasts deal damage to the soul, has weapons to convert people to matter and absorb them, can drain people's energy on the fly and even automatically, can heal his body through magic/willpower, has sonic weapons, can scan enemies using tech and magic to see their weaknesses, has weapons that break down the forces between molecules, can BFR people across the globe and probably through dimensions (since novice sorcerers like Beast can send people to Hell easily), can summon a time machine in the middle of battle to traverse time and space, has grenades that sends people two seconds into the past, can teleport with a though in the middle of battle, can cast spells that reverse the soul (whatever that means, probably just confronts the person with their own darkness), has molecule expanders, can send things into the microverse (which he did recently when he threw a shield into the microverse), can switch bodies with eye contact, invisibility, various electrical and gas weapons that have worked on high tiers like the Hulk or Thor, the ability to paralyze people in shields that have briefly worked on the Hulk, energy attacks of all sort (heat/cold/electrical/laser, etc.), weapons that attack the brain, magic to summon minions, he has shown undoing transmutation magic, etc.

@alphaq:

Most of the things you mentioned is irrelevant so maybe you should only mention the things that you think would give Doom the win without using prep? Makes it easier to counter.

Gilgamesh has magic resistance strong enough to nullify all modern magic in his verse and that include such thing as illusions,mental atks,soul absorbing and magical beams etc. There's a magic ranking system in his verse and his magic resistance is ranked A.It nullifies all spells and magic below rank A. Dr Doom's magic will have to be beyond A ranked to affect Gilgamesh and even then, while he cannot nullify atks beyond A rank, he sould still be able to resist it somewhat depending on the atk.

Without prep, Doom doesn't have access to all his equipments while Gilgamesh on the other hand can summon thousands of weapons he possess each with their own ability and hax. For that reason, i think Gil would win.

Which Doom?

@alphaq said:

@lord_spectrum said:

Doom converts Gilgamesh into energy and absorbs him, it worked on Hell-Lord level being like Nightmare, sure as hell it would work on Gilgamesh.

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To be fair, in that instance Doom had converted Nightmare from unreality to regular reality using his actuality shield, which rendered Nightmare powerless at that time.

He converted him from matter into energy and absorbed him, that's what i am talking about, what's stopping Doom from doing the same to Gilgamesh.

Show me that Gilgamesh is a magical energy construct, not a magical entity with blood and such like Thor, since so far in pretty much all of Fate anime variation, he was shown as a being with blood (got his arm cut off lots of blood and etc..) and etc... so there is no evidence so far as i know supporting your claim.

And his resistance is irrelevant here, neither Caster nor Rider have feats on Doom's level, not even close. Doom absorbed NIGHTMARE, that guy is HELL-LORD level being, you do know who HELL-LORDs are, do you? These guys beat Silver Surfer and Thor level beings as if they are nothing, and Doom converted him (and Nightmare is made of magical matter not regular) into energy and absorbed someone that powerful. Gilgamesh is cool and all, but he has no feats supporting that he can resist convertion into energy and then absorbtion on Doom's level.

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@lord_spectrum:

Show me that Gilgamesh is a magical energy construct, not a magical entity with blood and such like Thor, since so far in pretty much all of Fate anime variation, he was shown as a being with blood (got his arm cut off lots of blood and etc..) and etc... so there is no evidence so far as i know supporting your claim.

We're using standard version of Gilgamesh so i'm assuming we're not using the version of him when he gained a body from the mud grail. Servants are spiritual beings that does not require to eat or sleep. It's impossible for them to starve,freeze,drown or even bleed to death. Also, whenever a servant dies, they vanish out of thin air. Their bodies are nothing like Thors.

Here's a rundown of what servants is.

And his resistance is irrelevant here, neither Caster nor Rider have feats on Doom's level, not even close. Doom absorbed NIGHTMARE, that guy is HELL-LORD level being, you do know who HELL-LORDs are, do you? These guys beat Silver Surfer and Thor level beings as if they are nothing, and Doom converted him (and Nightmare is made of magical matter not regular) into energy and absorbed someone that powerful. Gilgamesh is cool and all, but he has no feats supporting that he can resist convertion into energy and then absorbtion on Doom's level.

Seems like ur missing context since the other guy says he got nerfed so that seems to play a part.

To be fair, in that instance Doom had converted Nightmare from unreality to regular reality using his actuality shield, which rendered Nightmare powerless at that time.

Also, beating guys like SS and Thor doesn't mean that he has resistance against convertion and energy absorbtion. It would also require Doom to also tag him with it and as far as i've seen. Gilgamesh is faster than Doom. Also, i highly doubt Doom's magic without prep is at the same level as the five sorceries in fate.

@theorder14:

We're using standard version of Gilgamesh so i'm assuming we're not using the version of him when he gained a body from the mud grail.

OP didn't specify what version of Gil, so at best your assumption is merely speculation.

Servants are spiritual beings that does not require to eat or sleep.

Neither does Thor and many other characters.

It's impossible for them to starve,freeze,drown or

Cool.

even bleed to death.

Now showing legit evidence ie fights where it is ACTUALLY specified, then you got this point.

Also, whenever a servant dies, they vanish out of thin air.

Cool, so do many other characters, yet they still bleed, i see no reason to see this one as an exception.

Their bodies are nothing like Thors.

No that much proof honestly.

Here's a rundown of what servants is.

I watched it, still no proof, that they don't bleed and etc.... they are even being described as "superhuman". So post legit proof of your point.

Seems like ur missing context since the other guy says he got nerfed so that seems to play a part.

Being nerfed or not (and i still don't rememmber Nightmare being nerfed so scans backing that up would be good), still puts Doom's feat leagues of Gil, who resisted something similar from character for whom you didn't post feats showcasing that they have better feats in that category than Doom, what you are now doing is merely using no limit fallacy just because he resisted similar attack from them doesn't mean he can resist it a more powerful version of it.

Also, beating guys like SS and Thor doesn't mean that he has resistance against convertion and energy absorbtion.

It shows over power of these characters, and i am sure there are feats of him doing something similar, though i am not knowledgable enough about Nightmare, but not that it matters, since Doom has other absorbtion feats like absorbing Power Cosmic with his armor (without prep), absorbing Franklin Richard's energy (though Franklin allowed him but still shows how much power his armor packs) and yet you didn't show feats for Caster and Rider showing they have same level of potency as Doom.

It would also require Doom to also tag him with it and as far as i've seen.

An energy blast it all takes to accomplish and let's not forget that Doom is a teleporter, so taging is not that much of a problem.

Gilgamesh is faster than Doom.

Cool, i already explained above how Doom does it.

Also, i highly doubt Doom's magic without prep is at the same level as the five sorceries in fate.

I argued about his tech, not his magic.

@lord_spectrum: OP didn't specify what version of Gil, so at best your assumption is merely speculation.

So you think OP is using nerfed ubw version of Gilgamesh for some reason? I believe this is standard version. Meaning we're using him as a servant. The real Gilgamesh is actually in a place called thrones of heroes. The versions of him that are summoned in the holy grail war are copies of the version in the throne of heroes. That's standard version. Shouldn't be any more complicated than that.

Neither does Thor and many other characters.

Thor is not a spirit

Now showing legit evidence ie fights where it is ACTUALLY specified, then you got this point.

I watched it, still no proof, that they don't bleed and etc.... they are even being described as "superhuman". So post legit proof of your point.

Cool, so do many other characters, yet they still bleed, i see no reason to see this one as an exception.

It was stated that heroic spirit cannot bleed to death. Don't remember the chapter it was stated in but here's the whole story if ya wanna check it out because i'm not going to spend my time to search for that one quote. https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/

Being nerfed or not (and i still don't rememmber Nightmare being nerfed so scans backing that up would be good), still puts Doom's feat leagues of Gil, who resisted something similar from character for whom you didn't post feats showcasing that they have better feats in that category than Doom, what you are now doing is merely using no limit fallacy just because he resisted similar attack from them doesn't mean he can resist it a more powerful version of it.

Why don't you post Nigtmare's feats of resisting it. He was depowered and even you aren't sure of the context. I was just quoting the guy who claimed Nightmare got rendered powerless. On the other hand, Gilgamesh magic resistance actually nullifies absorbtion.

It shows over power of these characters, and i am sure there are feats of him doing something similar, though i am not knowledgable enough about Nightmare, but not that it matters, since Doom has other absorbtion feats like absorbing Power Cosmic with his armor (without prep), absorbing Franklin Richard's energy (though Franklin allowed him but still shows how much power his armor packs) and yet you didn't show feats for Caster and Rider showing they have same level of potency as Doom.

Caster has absorbed thousands of souls into her territory.Again, it takes hours to search around for the quote but it's in here somewhere. https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/. Also, i think you underestimate Caster and Rider too much. Caster for example is capable of freezing space and transmutate. Rider can petrify people to stone just by staring at them but it wouldn't affect some1 like Gilgamesh at all with his high magic resistance.

An energy blast it all takes to accomplish and let's not forget that Doom is a teleporter, so taging is not that much of a problem. Cool, i already explained above how Doom does it.

lol, teleportation doesn't matter thanks to Gilgamesh's detection and Sha Nagba. Teleporation isn't really anything impressive. Caster too can also teleport.

@theorder14: Only maybe the anti-matter was done with prep.

He can trap people in illusion and use magic or tech to attack the mind (mindraped Classic Magneto, trapped soldiers in illusions of pain and made Iron Man look like a fool by feeding his mind illusions while greatly weakened),

1. Mindrapes Magneto

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2. Traps a soldier in an illusion.

3. Feeding illusion into Tony's mind after having his magic altered so that he is basically a novice relearned magic.

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has anti-matter weapons,

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his blasts deal damage to the soul,

has weapons to convert people to matter and absorb them,

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can drain people's energy on the fly and even automatically,

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can heal his body through magic/willpower,

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has sonic weapons,

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can scan enemies using tech and magic to see their weaknesses,

has weapons that break down the forces between molecules,

can BFR people across the globe and probably through dimensions (since novice sorcerers like Beast can send people to Hell easily),

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can summon a time machine in the middle of battle to traverse time and space,

has grenades that sends people two seconds into the past

, can teleport with a though in the middle of battle,

can cast spells that reverse the soul (whatever that means, probably just confronts the person with their own darkness),

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has molecule expanders,

can send things into the microverse (which he did recently when he threw a shield into the microverse),

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can switch bodies with eye contact,

invisibility,

various electrical and gas weapons that have worked on high tiers like the Hulk or Thor,

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the ability to paralyze people in shields that have briefly worked on the Hulk,

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energy attacks of all sort (heat/cold/electrical/laser, etc.),

These are shown across appearances generally

weapons that attack the brain,

magic to summon minions,

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he has shown undoing transmutation magic, etc.

@alphaq: cool of you to post scans. Since Gilgamesh is from a visual novel, i won't be able to post his scans as easily and his anime appearance only shows 1/3 of his feats.He should be able to defend himself against mental atks and illusions thanks to his defeinsive noble phantasm like his golden armor. He has also resisted a mental atk corruption against all the evils in the world.

Invisiblity would be useless since Gilgamesh can detect invisible beings with his senses. Gilgamesh has a passive mirror-like magic constantly surrounding around him so any magic-based atks would get nullified or deflected. His magic shield nullifies all magic below rank A. Of course, we would have to determine which rank Doom is first and nothing i've seen thus far puts him at EX rank which is required to penetrate through his shields.

Most of the weapons also requires Doom to tag him with it and Gilgamesh is way faster than Doom. Seeing how Reed of all people was able to dodge him causually, i don't see why Gilgamesh won't be able to do the same who's massively faster than Reed. Teleport won't help since it will be countered by his detection and precog.

In any case, Gilgamesh is capable of firing hundreds of noble phantasm at once. Those noble phantasm possess enough power to split mountains.Each one of those weapons also possess an unique ability of their own. Those Noble Phantasm would be extremely hard for Doom to counter because it can change direction mid-air and also appear from every direction from the enemy's blindspot. Few examples of those abilites are cursed weapons that prevents healing, elemental weapons like lightning and ice weapon that freezes space,invisible weapons and lots more but his most powerful weapon is called EA. Capable of tearing apart time and space itself. I highly doubt Doom would be able to survive such an attack.

My knowledge on Fate isn't that great, but I still know Gilgamesh should win.

This. Unless you have scans of Doom affecting people with extremely high end magic resistance with his magic, its completely useless in this battle.

Hasn't it been said somewhere that Doom is second to Doctor Strange in magic?

I do believe your correct on this i would have to relook it up though.

Bumper stickers.

Doom

Doctor Doom wins.

Gilgamesh stomps 10/10. First, he is omniscient with SNI and he can see everything on Dr. Doom to find the real one. Then he uses Enkidu which Doom can’t escape. Gilgamesh uses Gob/NP to negate Dr. Doom’s resistance. Then Gilgamesh can amp his powers up to activate EA which can use Enuma Elish to destroy the concept of Dr. Doom, including his armor. Dr. Doom can’t harm Gilgamesh because Gilgamesh is a abstract/conceptual being. So, in conclusion, Gilgamesh stomps this fodder 10/10.

Gilgamesh solos all of Marvel.

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Sorry but thats not even a contest dooms armor has taken hits by some of the heavy hitters in the marvel universe such as the celestials thanos and the infinite ganuntlet and survived i have no doubt that gilgamesh is strong but i doubt that he has sth in his arsenal that can surpass that plus he has a time cube and tons of stong doom bots so by using a smart spell he replace himself with his doombots and while gil is busy fighting them he can use his time cube in his castle by replaying the fight over and over again thus giving him enough time to find a weakness and kill him

Doom, and if he has prep he can solo the verse.

Gilgamesh stomps. Dr Doom has no answer to EA.

doom has an answer for pretty much everything i don't know gilgamesh so i can't say for for sure so explain

@vectorprome: DOOM is prepared for everything and for the things he odesnt he can use his time cube to find the answers he needs to counter attack it that man stole the powers of the pre reckton beyonder sorry to dissapoint you but the whole fate universe cant compete with something of this scale

No matter how powerful is Dr Doom, Gilgamesh is stronger.

@vectorprome: where do you based that ?

@theorder14: doom took hits from the celestials and thanos infinite gantlet im pretty sure he can survive against gilgamesh attacks or at least long enough to escape and come with a counter attack

@deactivated-5f585b4fd4f40: hold on this is supposed to be a fight between gil and doom so enkidu is not supposed to be here i mean if you are going with that logic doom could use his allies as well plus in most recent fights doom took all of the marvel heroes by himself and stood victorious without any gantlet or cube and even if doom doesnt know much about magic from the fate series he can esily come with a way to counter it given time which doom has plenty conseider the fact that doom has a time cube in his castle

Gilgamesh completely stomps Dr Doom: let's go over what he has:

- Origin Mystic Code which allows him to raise his stats to whatever he wants at will.

- Gate of Babylon which allows him to access an unlimited amounts of noble phantasms/weapons with conceptual abilities at once and simultaneously fire them at you at speeds surpassing the very concept of time. This alone allows him to hit infinitely above his own weight class. Gilgamesh literally has a noble phantasm that makes dying impossible for him.

-His transcendental nature that allows him to freely move between higher and lower realities at will which is infinitely better than being able to transcend dimensions. Think of Steve from Minecraft walking into your living room, out of your computer, and flying off to Alpha Centari and that's basically what Gilgamesh can do but on a infinite scale.

-Enkidu's chains absolutely binds any target with a trace of divinity, no matter their own strength. They cannot escape the chains with any ability and that includes reality warping and conceptual manipulation, making them effectively stuck until the chains either disappear or no longer receive mana from a source.

- Ea erases targets from reality upon contact on a fundamental level, surpassing aristocratic and platonic concepts. It's described as being an "anti-purge attack that cannot be defend against at all." It is basically the act of genesis (the creation of all-things) placed in a stick, making its true capabilities unlimited in terms of destruction and creation.

-Unsuppressed Shaq Naqba Imuru makes him omniscient, the embodiment of his mentality "spread across all corners of the world as if the brilliance of the stars, seeing through all creation."

@sourenaraya: the comment about being above everyone in the fate verse was about the beonder not doom

@vectorprome: doom has a time cube , time machine an armor that allowed him to withstand a blast from the infinite gantlet the silver surfer andthanos he stole the powers of the beyonder and the beyonders he travelled across time and space as well as different realities he concoured the world twice and gave it up cuz he got bored and is considered to be 2 best magic user after doctor strange

im sorry i meant conqured