Boruto and Kawaki vs Dangai Ichigo

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The truth > multiple wankers

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Calling people wankers >>> Disproving their points

Actually debating >> cheerleading someone else every thread I encounter you in

Not cheerleading when I point out what chapters and that the character in the thread was manhandling them.

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Feats for Kawaki and Boruto?

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Dabbing on some trees.

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#53  Edited By kingogkings777
@divinespawn said:

Kawaki>Boruto>Some trees>Isshiki>Jigen>Naruto>ichigo.

FTFY

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#54  Edited By RDCDesmond

People also called this absurd when I debunked them bleach worlds Being actual planets and not universes ans I posted this on cv months ago and someone from cv screenshotted and uploaded it on their vsbattle account where they laughed and called it bs

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Only to turn around and debunk the same universe size places to only be planet sized like I originally said

Vsbattle is inconsistent and relies on a group of passionate bleach fan guys no different from me or you debating on the system scaling of a character and how other characters scale to that character...but being passionate can cloud judgement and sometimes most of their rebuttals and counter arguments are weak and they slap on tier jackets to a lot of people without hard evidence, avoiding his said characters scaling to other tiers that don’t belong in that same tier, avoiding how requirements can be done by weaker tiers who dont scale close to multi planet lv like Mayuri and Urahara avoiding how there is no timeframe

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#55  Edited By Number3561

@kingogkings777: I mean AP-wise lol, like who do they scale to. Otherwise we'd have so many stronger characters at ~building level, including some of the strongest versions of Ichigo to be honest.

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@divinespawn said:

Kawaki>Boruto>Some trees>Isshiki>Jigen>Naruto>ichigo.

FTFY

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself

Team stomps Dangai

Both can avoid ichigo hill swing range

Both scale faster than base naruto who Reacted to and dodged proton beam in Rel+ speed and Both scale faster than Code who should be faster than Delta

Kawaki scales stronger than current Boruto and can shrink as well and probably can BFR just like current V2 Borushiki can

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Agents everywhere among us

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@kingogkings777 said:
@divinespawn said:

Kawaki>Boruto>Some trees>Isshiki>Jigen>Naruto>ichigo.

FTFY

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself

Team stomps Dangai

Both can avoid ichigo hill swing range

Both scale faster than base naruto who Reacted to and dodged proton beam in Rel+ speed and Both scale faster than Code who should be faster than Delta

Kawaki scales stronger than current Boruto and can shrink as well and probably can BFR just like current V2 Borushiki can

Stalking me much?

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@kingogkings777: I mean AP-wise lol, like who do they scale to. Otherwise we'd have so many stronger characters at ~building level, including some of the strongest versions of Ichigo to be honest.

Shikimaru atm. They only fought each other, and Code. Code has only "fought" droids and the Shikimaru iirc.

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@rdcdesmond said:
@kingogkings777 said:
@divinespawn said:

Kawaki>Boruto>Some trees>Isshiki>Jigen>Naruto>ichigo.

FTFY

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself

Team stomps Dangai

Both can avoid ichigo hill swing range

Both scale faster than base naruto who Reacted to and dodged proton beam in Rel+ speed and Both scale faster than Code who should be faster than Delta

Kawaki scales stronger than current Boruto and can shrink as well and probably can BFR just like current V2 Borushiki can

Stalking me much?

What lol

Dude get real

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#61  Edited By RDCDesmond

@number3561: AP wise only with V2 karma they scale to a high percent of their inner otsutsuki

Isshiki was planet lv

Momo was small planet lv

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#62  Edited By ImaginaryIdjit

@rdcdesmond: Planet level momoshiki is laughable. Are the kages moon level?

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I believe boys dance, they have the karma to absorb any getsuga tenshou easily, the otsutsuki stakes that can impale Ichigo, teleportation, byakugan and enough destructive power to kill Ichigo as shown in the last chapter.

In addition to having a higher speed.

If Boruto's time-stopping power develops further, he might even surpass Yhwach.

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small planet lv Momoshiki

small planet + in fused momo

he ate a chakra fruit before he came to earth which is a entire planet of life energy / nature energy condensed into a fruit but his was at least 10+ while kaguya fruit was over 16 so Kaguya fruit probably was twice as Momo fruit Momo is small planet level which reflects from him being able to pressure small planet + lv guys with Momo amped attacks but he can get to his amped attacks lv and beyond with fused momo

Fused Momo >> Amped attacks Base Momo >> Base Momo (chakra fruit)

Adult Naruto n Sasuke essentially scale to chakra fruit levels although weaker than Kaguya..Momo was trying to turn Naruto power into a fruit

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@imaginaryidjit: 80 randon shinobi have enough chakra to destroy the moon without releasing any of the inner gates as shown in The Last, if you consider that the kages have the chakra equivalent to 80 randons, yes they would have that power without even releasing the gates internal.

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#67  Edited By ImaginaryIdjit

@rdcdesmond: Planet level chakra does not immediately translate to planet level physicals, especially considering Momoshiki pretty much never trained.

And Momo physically scales to the kages, so you saying they are mountain level at max does not help your case.

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Ichigo still blitzes and one shots.

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#69  Edited By RDCDesmond

@imaginaryidjit: nature energy is converted to chakra via fruit. nature energy comes from the ground, forests, sky, atmosphere. sorta like Quincy. But it’s a planet amount. We already know 100 + cloud ninja energy combined via moon chakra cannon can vape meteors around the earth, 80,000 Ninja can amp Kaguya, just amount around the area allowed teen SPSM Naruto to catch up to Biju Susanoo Sasuke. Mayuri killed 28,000 random Rukongai citizens who are no stronger than random allied Ninja in order to balance the soul count.

life in verse energy is always treated as a buff just like in DbZ but life energy is converted to ki not chakra and Quincy who use reishi

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The otsutsuki chakra fruit are like in verse small spirit bombs they eat

base momo broke perfect Susanoo head with his lightning and Kurama spsm head and knocked Naruto out of Spsm when he tried to absorb the attack but his base scales weaker than his amped attacks but his fused form scales higher than his base form amped attacks since he absorbed kinshiki he became better at hand to hand and retained his amped attacks so he has two fighting styles in fused form

kaguya, Isshiki , and Momo scale to chakra fruit

Kaguya was planet lv

Momo small planet lv

Fused Momo small planet + lv

Isshiki planet lv

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#71  Edited By GangOrca
@fea said:

@imaginaryidjit: 80 randon shinobi have enough chakra to destroy the moon without releasing any of the inner gates as shown in The Last, if you consider that the kages have the chakra equivalent to 80 randons, yes they would have that power without even releasing the gates internal.

lmao at random Shinobi being continental+ with zero prep. The chakra cannon is implied to be able to kill Naruto who scales massively above his war arc KCM mode self that empowered hundreds of Shinobi.

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@gangorca said:
@fea said:

@imaginaryidjit: 80 randon shinobi have enough chakra to destroy the moon without releasing any of the inner gates as shown in The Last, if you consider that the kages have the chakra equivalent to 80 randons, yes they would have that power without even releasing the gates internal.

lmao at random Shinobi being continental+ with zero prep. The chakra cannon is implied to be able to kill Naruto who scales massively above his war arc KCM mode self that empowered hundreds of Shinobi.

Don't hate on these continental+ shinobi. Naruto scaling and APis unrivaled in anime history. Get wreckt gangorca

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@gangorca said:
@fea said:

@imaginaryidjit: 80 randon shinobi have enough chakra to destroy the moon without releasing any of the inner gates as shown in The Last, if you consider that the kages have the chakra equivalent to 80 randons, yes they would have that power without even releasing the gates internal.

lmao at random Shinobi being continental+ with zero prep. The chakra cannon is implied to be able to kill Naruto who scales massively above his war arc KCM mode self that empowered hundreds of Shinobi.

Don't hate on these continental+ shinobi. Naruto scaling and APis unrivaled in anime history. Get wreckt gangorca

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I like how that dudes death never got touched on again.

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#74  Edited By Number3561

@rdcdesmond: If these two are actually close to Isshiki and Fused Momo that would likely be enough, but I feel like if this same match-up was made with those two Otsutsuki against this Ichigo most would say they stomp. Do the kids have anti-feats or something? They're not getting that same respect lol.

I don't think life-wiping a planet of its chakra = planet level AP. That's the same logic people use to say all SK candidates = planet level AP because they "stabilize the worlds" via esoteric means and in-verse mechanics. Sure, the scope is planetary in effect, but it's not the same as kinetically effecting a planet in a quantifiable way.

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@rdcdesmond: time frame is irrelevant the soul kings power keeps the worlds in check. When he dies their destroyed. This means he's out putting enough energy to keep them from collapsing. Which would be large planet.

100 fodder shimigami can nuke a star size dimension.So why is it hard to believe high tiers can be large planet

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True Shikai Ichigo = Dangai Ichigo

This is your first mistake. TS Ichigo doesn't have the power that Dangai Ichigo has, this is a fact.

Your entire argument falls apart here. The mere fact that Byakuya, Uryu, Renji and Rukia can sense Ichigo in True Shikai is proof enough.

The scan you keep posting from Yhwach was reffering to the Fullbring arc, where Ichigo regained his Shinigami powers. Yhwach wasn't referring to the Dangai power, otherwise why on earth would Ginjou be in the background?

Dangai was multi continent lv

No, he wasn't. He scales above Full power Kenpachi and Azashiro in that state, he's a god tier.

Butterfly Aizen has no feats to suggest planet lv he also is multi continent lv

No, Aizen is a God tier, even in that state. He's also above Kenpachi and the Sokyoku. Planet level.

old man yam can burn the soul society down over time this is multi continent lv

Base Aizen is equal to Yamamoto, why on earth would Monster Aizen be the same level?

Ywach can lift wanderich to soul society this is multi continent lv

Casually. He's still far above planet level.

No one was planet lv let alone multi planet lv in fake kura town Arc

Ichigo and Aizen were, as they are god tiers.

To further debunk true Shikai Ichigo not Being multi planet lv female sternritters gave him a challenge and survived his getsuga tenshou all of those Sternritter should scale weaker than old man yam and pre SK Ywach who were

You keep assuming TS Ichigo = Dangai Ichigo, when all things point towards this being nonsense. They could all sense his power (Rukia, Renji), does that mean they are above Butterfly Aizen and God Aizen? Obviously not.

Now EOS Ichigo base after squad zero training gets so powerful that his base is as strong as the power he beat Aizen with

Meaning all his forms are stacked on top of this power

Vsbattle makes the ignorant notion that ichigo bankai is a 1,000 x multiplier when it is always been a system of canonically 5-10

No mate, no. Dangai Ichigo is stronger than TS Ichigo, he's comparable to HoS Ichigo and True Bankai Ichigo. You can clearly see Ginjou in the back of Yhwach's monologue, which clearly indicates he's referring to Ichigo receiving his Shinigami powers back in the Lost Agent Arc, UNLESS you're trying to make the argument that Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is Dangai Ichigo level?

Thats like saying Juubi Obito scales to Juubi Hag Cus they have similar requirements of power Lol when the ladder doesn’t even scale to Base Hag

That's for you to determine. Dangai Ichigo, who is transcendent, being the same strength as TS Ichigo not only makes no sense, but it's wrong, and this is why your argument falls apart before it's even started.

New wank same results

The SK Husk was dead from End of 614 - 617 thats a few chapters and yet the planets didn’t collide meaning the planets feat is not immediate and is done over time it’s time frame feat is unquantifiable and it only takes multi continent lv ap to kill SK husk

Bro I don't care about the Soul King husk. Aizen transcended all Shinigami, this includes full power Kenpachi which makes him planet level. This is a fact.

Teen spsm alone could replace the SK husk or teen Rinnegan Sasuke

No, they couldn't, stop it.

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Az ISNT planet level either he was one shot by Base kenpachi who didn’t use Bankai

Bro, you don't understand how Kenpachi's power works. It was explicitly mentioned in the novel that throughout repeated battles, it allowed Kenpachi to unlock the full extent of his power, and that Azashiro could have killed him instantly if he didn't allow him to do this.

This is how fodder Ichigo was able to beat Kenpachi because his power rose too fast for him to get accustomed to. Ichigo literally went from fodder Lieutenant level to one-shotting a captain in just Shikai. This is likely what happened with Royd also.

The Sokyoku is planet level, as it is LITERALLY specified that it can not only destroy the Seireitei (the country) but the ENTIRE Soul Society (the planet).

Azashiro created a blade that surpassed this, and at full power, Kenpachi matched this. He's planet level at full power, after being engrossed in battle. Dangai Ichigo, who surpasses all Shinigami, is stronger than this. He's planet level in AP.

Also, he wasn't one shot, he escaped. The blade that surpassed the Sokyoku was likely destroyed by Kenpachi.

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@fea said:

I believe boys dance, they have the karma to absorb any getsuga tenshou easily, the otsutsuki stakes that can impale Ichigo, teleportation, byakugan and enough destructive power to kill Ichigo as shown in the last chapter.

In addition to having a higher speed.

If Boruto's time-stopping power develops further, he might even surpass Yhwach.

Incredible. Boruto with time stop apparently as a combat ability and comparing them to a guy who would effortlessly solo their verses.

I guess Yhwach can use the Sternritter abilities, right?

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#80  Edited By Undre

@number3561: no it's stated even ginjo whos leagues below plp like aizen can recreate and reshape the world as soul king. Also stated Aizen could create a new World. Soul king yhwach passively stabilizes the realms while sleeping.

It's pretty simple power is used use as fuel power the worlds. So they don't collapse.

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@kingogkings777: he came back as an edo if I remember correctly. But yeah, nobody cares about him 😣

I thought that was filler?

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Boruto with time stop apparently as a combat ability

Hearing STP say that hurt my brain harder then it should have.

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@number3561: no it's stated even ginjo whos leagues below plp like aizen can recreate and reshape the world as soul king. Also stated Aizen could create a new World. Soul king yhwach passively stabilizes the realms while sleeping.

It's pretty simple power is used use as fuel power the worlds. So they do collapse.

We've been through this already. You failed to provide any evidence that SK's "stabilization" of the worlds requires planetary AP or is even quantifiable in any way, especially due to multiple sources implicating SK's power regulating the soul flow as a means of maintaining stability.

Planetary Ginjo is a good laugh; I can kinda see why RDCDesmond is arguing for planetary duo when these kinds of arguments are being brought from the other side lmao.

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@undre said:

@number3561: no it's stated even ginjo whos leagues below plp like aizen can recreate and reshape the world as soul king. Also stated Aizen could create a new World. Soul king yhwach passively stabilizes the realms while sleeping.

It's pretty simple power is used use as fuel power the worlds. So they do collapse.

We've been through this already. You failed to provide any evidence that SK's "stabilization" of the worlds requires planetary AP or is even quantifiable in any way, especially due to multiple sources implicating SK's power regulating the soul flow as a means of maintaining stability. Planetary Ginjo is a good laugh.

Novels are the reason for that, but only emotional amp Ginjo maybe without using lore and shit.

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@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

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@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

I got no clue with recreate the worlds cause all SK candidates are not the same. Cause being a certain level doesn't make you a SK candidate.

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#87  Edited By Number3561
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@number3561 said:

@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

I got no clue with recreate the worlds cause all SK candidates are not the same. Cause being a certain level doesn't make you a SK candidate.

The vibe I got is that it's more about the type/quality of one's soul. Mixing together more soul races brings you closer to the type of soul that SK was, since he was the progenitor of all the races. Ginjo, Hikone, Ichigo, and Aizen were candidates and were all mixed souls. Kenpachi is "stronger" than someone like Hikone in terms of reiatsu level but still isn't named a candidate likely because he's a pure Shinigami.

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#88  Edited By Undre

@number3561: i don't believe that nonsense about ginjo matching ichigos getsuga. Literally contraindicated by the fact ginjo said GRC from grimmjow could match his getsuga. Ginjo also stated to be weaker then hikone who isn't even base kenpachi level

That's not the only one their are actually a few hyperbolic statements in the novels.

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@kingogkings777 said:
@number3561 said:

@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

I got no clue with recreate the worlds cause all SK candidates are not the same. Cause being a certain level doesn't make you a SK candidate.

The vibe I got is that it's more about the type/quality of one's soul. Mixing together more soul races brings you closer to the type of soul that SK was, since he was the progenitor of all the races. Ginjo, Hikone, Ichigo, and Aizen were candidates and were all mixed souls. Kenpachi is "stronger" than someone like Hikone in terms of reiatsu level but still isn't named a candidate likely because he's a pure Shinigami.

Yeah that's what I think it is to, since iirc Ginjo only one cause he absorbed Ichigo's powers.

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@gilateen: I'm not sure what kinda response that is lol either is fodder to ichigo

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@kingogkings777 said:
@number3561 said:

@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

I got no clue with recreate the worlds cause all SK candidates are not the same. Cause being a certain level doesn't make you a SK candidate.

The vibe I got is that it's more about the type/quality of one's soul. Mixing together more soul races brings you closer to the type of soul that SK was, since he was the progenitor of all the races. Ginjo, Hikone, Ichigo, and Aizen were candidates and were all mixed souls. Kenpachi is "stronger" than someone like Hikone in terms of reiatsu level but still isn't named a candidate likely because he's a pure Shinigami.

@number3561 said:

@kingogkings777: Yeah, but he's talking about the "recreate the worlds as you like" statement, and trying to pass off Ginjo being planetary as a mid-tier's level. Otherwise, this Ichigo wouldn't even scale as Ichigo's "strongest Getsuga" would be HoS True Bankai, not Dangai.

I got no clue with recreate the worlds cause all SK candidates are not the same. Cause being a certain level doesn't make you a SK candidate.

You must have high levels spirit energy from all races. Ginjo even tho he has spirit energy from every race can only be assistant/pseudo soul king Because his power isn't high enough. While ichigo can fully be soul king. So power does play a factor.

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@greythejiren: kawai cant shrink his sword it alive pepepe could control bykuya sword becuase it had a soul

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@kingogkings777: And why couldn't it? apparently it's a particular power of his, just like Isshiki's power to slow things down, he just didn't use it in battle.

And this is a skill that counters almight, if Boruto kills Yhwach with time stopped, there's no way for Yhwach to change that future.

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#94  Edited By dracoz

I wake up and this thread somehow got 93 replies

Jesus fucking christ

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@theemperor95: Even that response really ain’t cutting it. 80% Otsutsuki? Ichigo’s not handling, especially if he’s matched with BSM Naruto

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@ninjarizer:

true shikai ichigo struggled with sternritters and one of them could survive his blast which vsbattle wanks to be 10 x ichigo power everytime he uses it

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  • that a lie ichigo wasn't struggling with any body here if he choose to stand and fight them they would been able to beat ichigo ichigo isn't focused on them he is focused on yhwach which he tries to stop him candice didnt

Vsbattle makes the ignorant notion that ichigo bankai is a 1,000 x multiplier when it is always been a system of canonically 5-10

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  • bankai isn't only a 5-10x it can be way higher how we should treat if it higher is when said character preform a feat in bankai which said bankai ichigo in case his bankai is higher then 10x because his horn of salvation would already be 10x but couldn't cut yhwach at all ichigo in bankai alone is able to cut through yhwach ichigo bankai being 10x doesn't make sense here and should be higher

If Ichigo was multi continent + in end of fake kura town

10 x that would be moon + lv

Combining that with merged hollow would be 20 x true Shikai Since his hollow boost should be relevant to his true Bankai boost which should be x 10 since he mastered discovered his true power which is stated in verse bankai are 5-10 x Shikai with years of training and you can account for Ichigo having reached that in EOS. If he started with x5 Being still new to bankai in End of fake soul society town arc then most like his bankai being x10 after disbelieving his origins and training with squad zero

  • this more of a mathematical error you did more then anything that i want to fix ok let say bankai was 10x and with horn of salvation another 10x increase would be a 100x true shikai you don't add multiplier you times them

let say ichigo has a power level of 100 then he uses his hollow power he get to 1 000 power level

add bankai another 10x you get 10 000

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#97  Edited By RDCDesmond

@nhlanhla: Deathbattle slapped on a headcanon 100 x Bankai and it still wasn’t planet lv

10,000 is also headcanon

Kubo never supports these ideals just because he leaves a lot up for the fans perspective doesn’t mean he actually believes you guys wank he used ground kanji for bleach soil of soul society world meaning soul society is a planet but when fans interpreted it as Universe size you know there’s a miscommunication and awareness problem

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And his merged hollow form + true bankai is more like adding them together not multiplying them together he maintains the balance of Quincy and hollow power

Plus he got the job done without even using merged hollow he did it with true bankai which scales 10 x his true shikai and should sort of Scale above merged hollow we can’t say merged hollow and true Bankai were actual equal form boosts/multiplier since Ichigo has better feats in True Bankai than merged hollow

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Doesn't Ichigo just one shot with Mugetsu?

Not like he would ever need it though

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Boruto and Kawaki scale to around 80% of Momoshiki and Isshiki’s power respectively, both of whom are planet level beings, they should win.

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@rdcdesmond: never said ichigo banksi is 10 000x multiplier didnt now where you getting that from what was power levels example of how ichigo rise power would look like if we put values on it

Lol are you talking about the shunsi translation where we debate on it where i proved that the kanji for soil is NEVER used and the kanji for earth and ground which you couldnt debunk viz isnt alway a 100% they to can make mistake

Please explain to me this 20x increace i dont see this ok ichigo goes hollowfictaction which is 10x increase put his power level to 1 000(stil use the 100 power level from last one) that doesnt change right but now it force one of the multiplier to be a 2x incearce for your 20x increase to work 20x100=2 000 the 1 000 power level we got from the hollowfication multiplier then when we get to bankai it a 2x for no reason this doesnt make sense