I think the synergy thing interests me most. Jason was featured in a DVD that sold half a million copies. So you have a character that you're trying to find a fit for all this time right? And this movie sort of redefines him again in a new medium that saw more viewers than most comics do in a year. They do a miniseries for that character, mind you the miniseries, while decent is nearly totally removed from the DCU, and missing the character from having the moniker of Red Hood except on the cover. It was necessary but removed from the DCU and it was all about becoming the guy in the movie.

You take advantage of the other media exposure but you do not become a slave to them I think too many people being to dedicated to things like the Superman movies and Batman The Animated Series prevent the characters from truly evolving. By those means we should only use the young DC heroes/Teen Titans in the context of the Teen Titans animated series prevents progression. Also Under the Red Hood is part of such a niche fanbase PG 13 animated films starring superheroes is not the biggest exposure to the character.

What will they be a slave to except the word "pre-crisis"?

What will they be a slave to except the word "pre-crisis"?

I think I'm moreso referring to the company at large in the need to restore the pre-crisis than in this instance with Jason. The hair's mostly a mark of cain type thing.

And that's all in the name of making him Dick's Joker. A move that his fanbase largely rejects.They're writing a character for the haters now?

I get all the color to Morrison's Jason and metatextual masturbation to it. I understand its about the editorial mandate. That he was this imperfect bastard son destined to become that which he fights against. I disagree with the acceleration to Gotham Freak because I think you basically destroy his story potential quicker. He becomes Two-Face, the scarred fallen ally, in a Joker moniker. Supervillain, the equivalent of Lock-Up. My belief is in distancing the character so much from what he once was, you don't necessarily show far he's fallen so much as distance himself from his own tragedy. I think there's greater power in somebody who looks like Robin decapitating criminals, as opposed to Joker Lite. And it's not about the tragedy anymore, and how far he's fallen. Now it's the middle child who hates the first born, and basically always did. It's about compensating for the fact the elder has a lousy rogues gallery so the potential of the younger must be hindered to that, denied his potential. Poetic, maybe but foolish. I take issue with the fact it's claimed the character can't find his legs beecause of some of the dreck they've published, allowed to publish, things like Blood Brothers for one. There should be an apology for Countdown. I bought 52 issues of that book so they could pull, out of their asses, that Jason's lesson was he learnt nothing. They can claim they're embracing the mishmash. It's just lazy.

And that's all in the name of making him Dick's Joker. A move that his fanbase largely rejects.They're writing a character for the haters now?

I get all the color to Morrison's Jason and metatextual masturbation to it. I understand its about the editorial mandate. That he was this imperfect bastard son destined to become that which he fights against. I disagree with the acceleration to Gotham Freak because I think you basically destroy his story potential quicker. He becomes Two-Face, the scarred fallen ally, in a Joker moniker. Supervillain, the equivalent of Lock-Up. My belief is in distancing the character so much from what he once was, you don't necessarily show far he's fallen so much as distance himself from his own tragedy. I think there's greater power in somebody who looks like Robin decapitating criminals, as opposed to Joker Lite.

So the appropriate thing for both characters to your mind is back-up batman and joker?

While you both have great points I have to say that Jason has a big enough fan base that  he could carry his own monthly title. if they would give him his own identity. Don't make Dicks Joker. And don't make him whine about being the Robin that died and all that. Have him use that he was the Robin that died as his fuel. As well as his anger to surpass Dick to make him do the crazy insane shit that he does. Killing the bad guys is what he does best. He doesn't need to be added to Dicks rouges as the "joker" per se. That is just lame.

So the appropriate thing for both characters to your mind is back-up batman and joker?

And I'm saying in this one instance. They should have. It was a new place to build, but at the where he started, before piles of crap made it to where people look at this month's cover and go "huh?"

While you both have great points I have to say that Jason has a big enough fan base that  he could carry his own monthly title. if they would give him his own identity. Don't make Dicks Joker. And don't make him whine about being the Robin that died and all that. Have him use that he was the Robin that died as his fuel. As well as his anger to surpass Dick to make him do the crazy insane shit that he does. Killing the bad guys is what he does best. He doesn't need to be added to Dicks rouges as the "joker" per se. That is just lame.

Why would they wanna make him Dick's Joker in the first place.

Because as opposed to trying to spend time and build a character with a fanbase worthy of an ongoing, it's easier to just find placeholder titles for characters like Dick and Jason.
Make no mistake,5 years ago Dick was nearly killed because he was "a back-up Batman", Didio's words. I ask you, what is he today? People at DC somehow seem surprised people took to him as Batman. I don't get why. He's always accepted in that role, they acknowledged that when they wanted to kill him. The issue really was you had a decade of Nightwing stories that nobody ever quoted as some of comics best stuff. Rather than address that in his title, they slapped a bat on him.  Same with Jason. What's easy? To make him a run of the mill psycho, to beef up Dick's lacking rogues gallery.

It's about not trying. Not owning up to mistakes. Spin. These are the same people who "Rebirth" characters to realign them. They don't want to bother here.

Sure we would like too see them bash each other's faces one in a while..but not make him an archnemesis....we want an anti-hero.

@daredevil21134: Jason has a lot of potential of being an awesome character.

@daredevil21134: His Marvel counterpart has had a awesome years...but they are about to destroy him too now.

I thought Winter Soldier. Agent of SHIELD, always would've worked.

@RedHoodsDen: I don't think Bucky will go back to being the Winter Soldier...due to that reputation.

Well just in general I always thought he'd be good for a SHIELD relaunch. I really thought that's where they were going when he hooked up with Fury early on once he got his memory back.

Well just in general I always thought he'd be good for a SHIELD relaunch. I really thought that's where they were going when he hooked up with Fury early on once he got his memory back.

@Primmaster64 said:

@daredevil21134: His Marvel counterpart has had a awesome years...but they are about to destroy him too now.

I still think Bucky can make it as Winter Soldier or under a different mantle.He has enough consistency with his character to survive not being Cap anymore 

@daredevil21134 said:

@Primmaster64 said:

@daredevil21134: His Marvel counterpart has had a awesome years...but they are about to destroy him too now.

I still think Bucky can make it as Winter Soldier or under a different mantle.He has enough consistency with his character to survive not being Cap anymore 

I always thought of Daken as Marvel's Jason and last time I checked Jason had a bigger fan-base then Daken until Daken got his own series. Hell I know that there are STILL more people that would support a Jason/Red Hood series over Daken. When one looks at how well Daken is doing its because Marvel said "here's a character who has a small fan, lets give him his own run and see how it goes" and poof now Daken: Dark Wolverine is one of there better selling series.Marvel was able to stand on there own(and they still could have had they just waited for the Avengers Movies to take off) was because they had teams for almost every one of their character so they could make sure that the character was written correctly and had if a new artist came aboard they made sure that they could at least draw said character in a similar manner. In DC I seems to treat their characters like timeshares "one group comes in does their thing and leaves, then another group comes in does their thing and leaves and so on and so forth" another thing that Marvel has over DC is they're willing to use antiheroes were as DC feels as soon as a hero kills they are a villain waiting to happen.For now that's all I have

Hmmm, maybe my emails to Harras and Didio worked some, lol. I'm content right now. 

I just wish they would give Jason a chance instead of making it easier on themselves to put him in a book just to boost sales for a little while then "throw him back in Arkahm" for awhile. I think its dumb and extremely unimaginative.