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@vaeternus: Problem is,is that alot of modern horror really isn't that.They tend just focus on the gore most or they seem to be ghost movies.Not saying the new Evil Dead is that.
Yeah, a lot of times modern horror is silly or just resorts to "the silent to BOO jump out of your seat moments"
Like even Cabin In the woods was silly at times, but Evil Dead is like super serious the only part that's silly is one part which you can see via the spoilers in my OP.
Its not really silly.it just uses gore as the main thing without building suspense.
I'm saying sometimes horror movies will just be silly like Cabin In the woods to try to relieve a moment before a cheesy scare tactic. Older horror movies rarely did that stuff, now in modern movies it's such a trend like someone cracks or a joke or does something silly then something weird or creepy happens...
Yeah I suppose so.
I hear ya though, totally. I just want horror films to be more serious again that's all and not comedic.
Horror films usually are serious that is not the problem I have with some of them.
Well, they're supposed to be but ones that have comedy, silly stuff aren't very serious but yeah between that and the cliche "boo jump" ,moments I could use less of...example, Halloween originally, Child's Play etc didn't depend on that stuff it was just naturally scary, creepy or like wow I can't sleep tonight scary.
Evil Dead brings alot of that with mia talking to herself, talking different, laughing etc. You know, that's all good. But yeah I agree. I hope they get more better and oldschool like the 70's, 80's and early 90's.
Well yeah not always though.I mean that is why I love Evil Dead 2 and AOD because it really doesn't take itself too seriously.Yet there are some genuine horror moments in there (Evil Dead 2 anyway) but it manages to be funny as well which I really appreciate.It is a pretty unique movie as well.
Of course I love full on horror like Halloween Friday the 13th etc.But I really like the original Evil Dead films too.
I think horror today needs to find its own feet and create some new things that can actually feel like horror.I know there are still good horror out there but the only real mainstream horror seems to rely on gore alone.I still need to see this film to make my own judgments on it.
Yeah, what I'm saying is as long as it's appropriate I'm fine with it. ED though the concept as even Sam Raimi and Bruce admit was initially supposed to be "serious" not comedic, they turned it into a comedy-horror(2 and 3) because it was entertaining and AOD has a special place in people's (evil dead fans) hearts EV2 I agree does have some genuine serious moments, but the third was pure comedy compared to the first 2 and especially the new one that just came out.
I also like the oldschool films too, the retroness despite how cheesy it may be at times is just epic in it's own way.
Yeah, I mean I just feel that if horror films had better plots, more thought out and less comedy involved that would help(preferably good acting too and not some bunch of bimbos running around half naked acting stupid) There are some horror films out there that have been known for lots of gore but usually have a decent story too like Texas Chainsaw, Saw, first Hostel etc and then you have the pointless "gore" and bad story.
@joshmightbe
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not "hating on ED 2 or 3" just saying, they're not true horror films when you break it down compared to actual legendary horror films such as Halloween, Child's Play, Exorcist etc. Think of it like this to make it simple, compare Child's Play with Seed Of Chucky then tell me honestly WHICH one is more "horror" genre? Same point with the ED comparisons. Watch those, find me something funny and compare it to the original ED films and then watch the new one then you'll see what I'm saying, obviously the original ED sequels ED2 and AOD weren't meant to take themselves seriously(nobody is disuputing that)...one was a parody of the first one and the other was a pure horror-comedy that didn't take itself seriously at all. I know it was meant to be silly, and that's just my point but even at this latest comiccon Bruce and Sam admitted originally they wanted a "serious, better looking ED" and that's what they did with this movie but since they knew they couldn't really take it in that direction for it's time, they went in the more "comedic" direction. Which again, is good in it's own right and I enjoyed them but just saying, compared to the new one....the new one does justice to the horror genre hence the name horror film.
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Yeah, they're funny and entertaining but if you want more "freaky, not goofy and flat out serious" horror, then this new film will suffice :)
@ nerdock
I know these days you have so many "horror comedies" if it's appropriate I'm for it, like say "Young Frankenstein" or "Seed of Chucky" thing is a parody in itself is a comedy because it's usually meant to be funny at some point or not taken that seriously.
The second ED2 had it's funny moments like the animals yapping at Ash and Ash going nuts there for a little bit..and the third one was just pure comedy really and very little horror compared to the first Evil Dead and especially the new Evil Dead. Of course this is like anyone else on here, just my opinion. As a hardcore Horror fan I prefer there's little to no comedy in horror films, sadly it's one reason why a lot of people don't take the genre that seriously anymore. Just think, you're a horror fan right? What would you consider more horror.
Child's Play or Seed of Chucky? Evil Dead(2013) or Army Of Darkness? If you watch all 4 of those films you'll know exactly what I'm speaking of. ED 2 was more or less a parody, but it among AOD were also sequels....therefore actual movies. It's not the same as say Exorcist 1, 2 and 3 then later on the Parody Exorcist:Repossessed.
ED2 was a reboot that brought the series from horror to parody. Keeping the title as Evil Dead 2, and it being the same basic movie as Evil Dead, is to add to its absurdity. Sam Raimi didn't feel that Evil Dead worked as a straight horror film...not then anyway.
Im not saying that horror films shouldnt be taken seriously by their directors and writing staff, as I am fan of cinema in its entirety, and feel that all genres should be taken seriously. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, Horror is regarded as a second rate genre and not given much credit as well made films (mainly because the majority dont break from similar plot lines, but there have been many great movies that were horror films). I agree with everything you have said, but it was always obvious that when Evil Dead 2 emerged, it was only ever intended to be a parody and meant to change the direction of the series.
Yes, I agree, just pointing out that it was also a sequel within the story as it continues with the character Ash within the plot. But you're right about Sam Raimi's views on "at the time" between lack of really known actors(outside of Bruce), good budget for the movie and special effects appropriate for it he turned it into more horror comedy(especialy with the 3rd film) but recently as I just mentioned above, in interviews Sam and Bruce both told fans "this new evil dead is to be very serious, gory, dark and have no comedy" which honestly IMO at least a horror film should offer. I'm not saying there's no room for "a comic relief" here and there or even a goofy character, but just saying a movie like this considering the plot I don't want to see something ridiculous like dancing zombies or skeletons or talking animals, know what I'm saying? lol
I totally see your point concerning why sadly the genre isn't taken seriously, recycled ideas, bad acting, whatever. I just want to add to that, that if the horror genre really wants to get back into the view of serious movie viewers they need to not just improve on the above but keep the comedic gig to a minimum. People in general or horror fans, especially classic horror fans want to see a horror film not a comedy or parody even. That's why we have movies like Scary Movie 5 lol.
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