@julyiscool: Power levels aren't useless, they are in fact quite useful for scaling in Dragonball and Early DBZ (although right now, yeah they are pretty redundant.)
difference between SS3 and SS4 is similar to but still less than the difference between SS3 and SSG
The most comparable character to SS4 Goku would be stronger than Controlled Beserk Kale. Why because Kale was nothing to SSG and SS4 should be between there since it’s above SS3 which is above Kales transformation. Now fuse goku and vegeta together SS4 Gogeta would be much stronger than Kefla but obviously lower than UI goku, possibly Goku SSBKKx30 level.
I'll admit I don't think GT is as bad as people think it is, but even I don't think Omega Shenron would be able to lay a hand on Goku after the crazy upgrades he's gotten in DBS.
@nefarious: Nope. Not even. Forgot the angels. They should be around the same power, so down to 3rd. Then Grand Priest. down to 4th. Jiren. 5th. Ultra Instinct Goku(Matches Jiren, I guess). 6th. You see, it's not hard to push characters down to a lower level.
Except GT only has power scaling. DBS actually has feats. Wanna know the difference between Beerus and Omega Shenron? Compare water erosion chipping down a rock over untold eons versus smashing that rock suddenly with a jackhammer. Omega Shenron is the water. Beerus is the jackhammer.
In response to a post 2 years ago claiming GT is almost as bad as Evolution:
I...HATE...GT. I loathe it. Bulparpar. I don't think a single battle was engaging, or that even a single villain was properly executed or even interesting. The story dragged, they jumped the shark so many times I dont think they ever hit the ground, however...no. No. It is not nearly as bad as Evolution. It still gave us believable, escalating stakes, it gave us the fantastic SS4 design and even better SS4 Gogeta design (both of which remain the best designed protagonists in the entire franchise imo), and it somehow rise from its own ashes in the final moments to give us a definative, proper farewell to Goku and the series as a whole. It is a masterpiece in comparison to Evolution.
But anyway this is a worse mismatch than any other dbs v dbgt match yet.
In response to a post 2 years ago claiming GT is almost as bad as Evolution:
I...HATE...GT. I loathe it. Bulparpar. I don't think a single battle was engaging, or that even a single villain was properly executed or even interesting. The story dragged, they jumped the shark so many times I dont think they ever hit the ground, however...no. No. It is not nearly as bad as Evolution. It still gave us believable, escalating stakes, it gave us the fantastic SS4 design and even better SS4 Gogeta design (both of which remain the best designed protagonists in the entire franchise imo), and it somehow rise from its own ashes in the final moments to give us a definative, proper farewell to Goku and the series as a whole. It is a masterpiece in comparison to Evolution.
But anyway this is a worse mismatch than any other dbs v dbgt match yet.
Well omega shenron is universal cause he was going to destroy the the universe(3 universes in size) and kaioshin realm overtime with negative energy.the kais wanted to leave their realm as soon as posible because OS was going to destroy it very quickly.the thing with omega is he was using negative energy and negative energy corrodes if you fight like beerus did against ssg goku it won't shake the macrocosm it will destroy it overtime.Ssj4 goku dragon fisted omega as ultra full powered ssj4 hes universal through that,also base goku tanking omega's attacks while holding the spirit bomb so base goku at the end of gt is probably above ssj4 gogeta.
Ok. At least say that the fight would be interesting. I'm not saying that Beerus would STOMP Omega, but I will recommend this: Always say '____ is the highest ______ that a ______ can reach at that point.' In this case: "SSJ4 is the highest form that a saiyan can reach at that point.' So you're saying just that SSJ4 Goku's punches didn't hurt Omega, and SSJG Goku's punches did, Omega Shenron > Beerus? What about this: SSJ4 Goku's fight with Baby and SSJG Goku's fight with Beerus? As you can see, Baby was defeated, yet Beerus was not. Then some guy thinks SSJ4 > SSJG because SSJG Goku didn't beat Beerus, yet Baby was beaten by SSJ4 Goku. That doesn't make sense! Back then, I would probably say Beerus > Omega(only slightly), but now we know that SSJG Goku GOT NOTHING ON BEERUS. Like, Whis said SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta's power are literal TREES to Beerus CASTLE of might. Meaning, the Battle of Gods movie isn't relevant. So to close this out, Beerus wins. But only after a great performance by Omega. Nevertheless, I shall respect your opinion, as this post is mine.
This is still a thing? Goku and Beerus's shockwaves became stronger the further they traveled out, which isn't a true universe busting feat. Omega was doing something similar, aka corroding the universe with his ki alone. Filler is also canon to GT, meaning Fusion Reborn SSJ3 Goku shaking Otherworld HEAVILY (size of a universe) is canon to GT, meaning base GT Goku is capable of that (base GT Goku = SSJ3 Z). Shaking the universe via transforming>punch shockwaves that aren't even planet level until they grow stronger the further they travel. Anime Buuhan's universal feat was also more impressive than the God Goku and Beerus shockwaves that only become universal over time/distance traveled. DBS characters are laughably slow as well, with top tiers only reaching thousands of times MFTL based off Dyspo. Meanwhile the filler anime is canon to GT, where Saiyan Saga Piccolo's blast reached the moon in a short time frame. On the other hand, the manga never had a timeframe, and Super rectonned all MFTL DBZ scaling due to base Dyspo (barely lightspeed) blitzing people. So anime DBZ characters were already close to (if not fully) lightspeed in the Saiyan Saga alone; meanwhile Dyspo at full power is stated to be MFTL at best, and proceeds to out-speed everyone. GT blitzes and one shots DBS.
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