@druzzie:

A) this was probably in talks for about two years and animation started probably over a year ago. At the time, SM/WW was a thing so that was their notes

B) Exageration, that is not true

C) This is set in a New 52 like world. Since Cyborg is on the JL

I wonder how many Clark and Lois shippers got triggerd when they heard about the SM/WW relationship in JL Action.

I've come to accept the Death of New 52 Superman and the utter shit rewriting of the relationship in Rucka's book. And I think that a certain someone who frequently comes in this thread to shit on the relationship, has probably not only got all the gloating out of him, but he's sighed in relief that the relationship is gone in the comics..... then this happens? People like that are probably flabbergasted and annoyed as fook.

^Them right now. They had their victory (talking about CLois shippers) outshined by this, cus lets be honest this kind of exposure beats that by a mile. Those who thought that the relationship died with New 52 Superman, well this just brought it back to life and pumped in with steroids. A whole new generation will be exposed this this and the seeds will be planted. Not saying everyone will be won over, but it'll be enough to keep this pairing alive and make the fanbase for it grow. SM/WW lives on!

Jesus, so much smooching. That's three accounts of them almost locking lips. Makes me think that the running gag is that they try to kiss but something stops them before they do.

Ha, not phased by it at all. Sorry to disappoint you @saintwildcard.

JL Action isn't really as big a deal as you lot claim, I've checked in on a few episodes, and there's way more consequential drama and interesting character dynamics and motivations packed into seven minutes of Steven Universe than this.

Let's talk about REAL exposure...the Zack Synder movies, for better or for worse, champion Lois and Clark. The CW's Supergirl champions Lois and Clark together also, despite Lois not appearing there as of yet, Clark is definitely with her.

Even if Superman Reborn in the comics is presently hinting at tragic days coming for Lois and Clark, at least that will provide interesting drama and test their bond like never before, which can make for far better reading than two overpowered gods holding hands and attempting to make out, either in the pages of a hopelessly rotten team book or in a corny series of shorts that don't really provide much substance compared to, say, Justice League Unlimited (where Diana was more infatuated with Batman, and that relationship was way more believable)

I still take great comfort in the stark reality mainline comics Diana already wrote off her relationship with Clark as nothing but a fling. I see the two of them in JL Action with the same two pairs of eyes that I see their relationship in the comics as, both when it briefly was highlighted in the 80s and when it came back in N52...a fling. Something they'll grow out of. If the show does want to flesh out itself, they'll no doubt add a Lois or Steve to spice things up as DC delve further into their Rebirth era and the cartoon may have to adjust to reflect that.

S/WW may live (and really, there's no reason it shouldn't), but really, when faced with decades upon decades of Lois and Clark's story, the fact Lois and Clark have a son and legacy while the sort of legacy Clark and Diana can settle for is a fling in mainline canon (now mercifully ended), a fling in an throwaway cartoon and a bratty daughter in Frank Miller's universe...it's still very much in the nursery compared to all of that history. That history will inform the next generation as they get older, and most will probably turn to the one pairing history has shown is a consistent winner.

And let's just be clear...I like Diana and Clark as friends...close friends with a deep love and understanding of one another, but I just don't feel they are a match romantically. Ruka's philosophy of Diana being hopeless at romance is one I can get behind is it means she has to try extra hard with Steve.

I wish you well with your little "victory", but let's face it, there hasn't been a decent or even memorable DC cartoon since Young Justice ended, so I'm not worried. All the better is that YJ is coming back and we don't have to necessarily settle for empty calories like this and Teen Titans Go for much longer.

That's all you really have with this. Empty calories.

Either you didn't see my post on time or you didn't think you messed up. Well, time to get to work.

You say you're not affected but the fact that you had to use BvS to make your Pro Clois argument shows a true sense of desperation. I think if they put out a movie where Superman just rapes and beats Lois for an hour, you'd still quote it as part of your defense. But like I said before, you messed up twice in your reply, this being one of them. You used BvS, but then later on said that even though it's gonna be on this show that it doens't matter cus it won't be high quality. Which you yourself even admitted BvS wasnt. See the hypocrisy? I might as well quote that one porno by the Parody Porn company where Superman and Wonder WOman bang. Atleast people leave watching that happy. (zinger)

YOu also use Supergirl which wasn't even an appearance but a passing reference. Scraping the bottom of the barrel ain't you? Plus... it's a horrible show. Not even because of that, just in general. Subjective, yes. But still, the use of this non promotion is weak sauce.

Steven Universe is Terrible, don't you even go there. That show is straight up shite.

Even if Superman Reborn in the comics is presently hinting at tragic days coming for Lois and Clark, at least that will provide interesting drama and test their bond like never before, which can make for far better reading than two overpowered gods holding hands and attempting to make out, either in the pages of a hopelessly rotten team book or in a corny series of shorts that don't really provide much substance compared to, say, Justice League Unlimited (where Diana was more infatuated with Batman, and that relationship was way more believable)

Downplaying the action and drama the relationship can bring doesn't make your point right or prove that nothing can be done. That's just you lacking imagination. I just had a discussion with someone about why it could work, and it opened his eyes. He even likes the Clois relationship. This isn't to say that everyone should love it, or that you can't like CLois more, but you seem to talk as if though it's impossible to like it and that anyone who does is just some idiot. you do this more later on, which is the second time you messed up in your reply. As for the JLU BM/WW relationship, that was just done to make Batman look more badass, just like how Bruce TImm made Barabara bang Bruce. What makes it even worse is not only did that relationship go nowhere on that show but Timm even said that Bruce will end up alone. This dance of Bruce rejecting women cus he has to keep being Batman has been played out and done with everyone, you don't do that with the female icon though. If you wanna have them date, then that's find. But Timm never did and says it wouldn't happen anyway. I didn't even like that when they did it with SM and WW in Pre 52. Where she wanted Clark but he was married, that shit just shouldn't fly. Maybe with her own characters but if the relationship only goes one way with the other big two, it just feels like a power move.

I still take great comfort in the stark reality mainline comics Diana already wrote off her relationship with Clark as nothing but a fling. I see the two of them in JL Action with the same two pairs of eyes that I see their relationship in the comics as, both when it briefly was highlighted in the 80s and when it came back in N52...a fling. Something they'll grow out of. If the show does want to flesh out itself, they'll no doubt add a Lois or Steve to spice things up as DC delve further into their Rebirth era and the cartoon may have to adjust to reflect that.

*sigh* again with your lack of imagination. Anyway, the show itself is just meant to be fun and appealing to kids. Which by the way, it is getting good reviews from everywhere I see but I guess when it doesn't suit your narrative the reviews don't matter. If it's about Rebirth, all the reviews and whoever you see praising it automatically matters. But now, with this show just cus it's gonna go for a more kid friendly/action packed/comedic take it's no better than TTGO.... despite the fact that you haven't seen it.

I'm not even going to go as far as to say that they might not break up, but it sure as hell won't be to bring in Rebirth. That shit is to convoluted to do not to mention the sceneario with Superman in that book is in no way what's gonna happen with this Superman. All you're saying is that you want them to bring back the CLois relationship... which again goes against your "not caring" statement.

S/WW may live (and really, there's no reason it shouldn't), but really, when faced with decades upon decades of Lois and Clark's story, the fact Lois and Clark have a son and legacy while the sort of legacy Clark and Diana can settle for is a fling in mainline canon (now mercifully ended), a fling in an throwaway cartoon and a bratty daughter in Frank Miller's universe...it's still very much in the nursery compared to all of that history. That history will inform the next generation as they get older, and most will probably turn to the one pairing history has shown is a consistent winner.

Screw up number dos. But also kinda Three, you bring up Frank Millers failure of a sequel with TDKRSB as proof of a child of SM/WW child not working. Which isn't even a SM/WW book and the book just takes shits on Superman, truly shocking how their child doesn't work in that huh? The true depiction if I were to argue for this, would be Hyperman from Kingdom Come. Plus I Squall actually recommended one series that had their children in it that was a partial sequel to KC.

But back to screw up Number Dos. You say that people will grow out of it, and what not.... why hasn't that happened already? With like everyone who likes the SM/WW relationship? Like Me? Why is it that Hot Topic still pumps out merch? Why was it a big deal in the three JL New 52 films? Why is DC putting in deleted SM/WW issues in the Final Days trades?

And please, try not to reply with something as obviously biased and short sighted as "well they're idiots". With all the history and the very few moments of exposure the SM/WW relationship has had, it should be a cinch... and yet it hasn't happened.

People aren't blind sheeps if they don't align with your way of thinking. Valid arguments by adults can be made for the SM/WW relationship, and those kids could come to learn them as well. I'm not saying all kids will love the SM/WW relationship or even care, but some will. And to just write them off as sheep or whatever, just shows how petty your are. I'm not arguing that this show is a game changer or that it'll make the SM?WW relationship overtake the CLois one, just saying that this will garner attention to the ship and make some new fans. And to just bad mouth the kids or deny that it'll happen is just being blind. I'm not being blind when it comes to Rebirth Superman and it's sales, why can't you not be blind or dismissive to kids?

I wish you well with your little "victory", but let's face it, there hasn't been a decent or even memorable DC cartoon since Young Justice ended, so I'm not worried. All the better is that YJ is coming back and we don't have to necessarily settle for empty calories like this and Teen Titans Go for much longer.

That's all you really have with this. Empty calories.

Heh, the hypocrisy is priceless. All this effort even though you say you don't care. So many contradictions and lack of imagination. Generalizations galore. Try harder next time

@zariusii: Here's a quick question. If you don't like the Clark/Diana pairing that tends to be celebrated here, why do you feel it's necessary to come onto this thread and spout negativity about something you don't like or care for?

If it's simply because "you can" that's fine, I just want to hear it for myself.

@zariusii: Believe me I could pick apart what Saint has just posted to you all day but the days of arguing the merits and cons of Superman/Wonder Woman as a couple are pretty much over now. Those few who actually support this pairing may as well have this thread to reminisce. There's no point or need to pick arguments now they're not in a position of power.

You're right, they can have their little victories here and there, but like I said, JL Action is'nt going to be their answer. I do wish them well though even if I'm glad to see the back end of the relationship, as I said, I like Clark and Diana more in a platonic sense.

Pfft, nah. My main points had to do with tearing down his hypocrisy and pointing out his lack of imagination, and his dismissiveness towards a group.

@saintwildcard said:

Jesus, so much smooching. That's three accounts of them almost locking lips. Makes me think that the running gag is that they try to kiss but something stops them before they do.

Damn it, just when I thought I was content with my DC purge, they have to do something like this and now I want back in...sigh I guess I'll go find this show online.

Doesn't change the problems within your post I'm afraid.

Well then go nuts. Zathura is terrible at this, so maybe you'll be more fun

EDIT- The only openings I probably see are my attack on the BM/WW relationship, the questions I posed about the SM/WW fanbase/merch.... maybe my dismissal about Supergirl. Curious to see what you say they are though.

EDIT- Actually... there is one thing you could bring up that would be effective. But I'd end up apologizing for it. You know.., manning up for my own faults and hasty generalizations *cough cough hint hint*. I grow ever more curious though

Thing is, it's not like you're a genuine authority on Wonder Woman, you're only a fan of a specific era of the character, you've written off Ruka's excellent take as b.s because you favour the N52 stuff, so anything you have to say to me in defence of your 'ship rolls right off my back because I know what the real Diana's like and you don't.

There we go, a much more valid point. But to be fair, the chaotic nature of the WW fandom and how she should be portrayed, hasn't exactly made it clear as to how she should be written. As for real, that's all in the eyes of the beholder. I think I get the jist of what Diana should be written like, what you're doing is, assuming that how she was written in SM/WW is how I assume she should be written. Which is a mistake on your part, and you've done with Superman as well but then went on to like that SM Animated series pitch. So when you say that you know how she should be written, what you mean is that she wouldn't be with Superman.

I haven't read Rucka's run or his story. It;s the lazy retconning I take issue with. Only because it makes you and whover you agree with happy that it's genius. And if you think it has anything to do with them writing out the SM/WW stuff, I'd much rather have the Daughter of Zues stuff because I'm love that aspect of Greek Mythology. Rebirth issue itself was a lazy retcon with tons of fan service that basically used Watchmen as some sort of scape goat. So I wrote down a better alternate that would have made more sense and been a better.

EDIT- I'd like to add that unless "real" Diana is a total bitch, or humorless or bland, I still believe that a scenario could arise where these two cats would atleast date for a bit even if not forever. Which goes back to what I said about imagination.

If anyone is interested, someone uploaded the clips onto this channel. 4 small clips from the show. The stuff said at the first dinner date scene made me chuckle.

Lol! They're all great but this one was my favorite clip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LxArBScEs

Yeah, that's the one I was talking about. The implications in this scene ... are hilarious

@lvenger: careful, you wouldn't want to give up that facade that this isn't bothering you.

@mossuperman: hard to keep up with all the new stuff I missed that one. Is it worth investing in. I refuse to get pulled into hype we need good writers who want to write a great story and make it work.

A bit late, but here is a nice Christmas themed pic. Happy Holiday's gang. Here's hoping that SM/WW keep getting more exposure in 2017

Two new Vids

And for shits and giggles despite that I don't care about the DCEU anymore. nor do I think this pairing should happen in it

@saintwildcard: Sigh, Cavil has some amazing charisma that is woefully underutilized in the movies.

Oh don't worry, he'll come back smiling and cracking jokes. WB won't shut up about it

I can't deny that I want to see that but there are other ways to make him charismatic without the cracking of jokes and the 24/7 smile. The goal was supposed to make him more relatable but making him a brooding, morose, constipated looking guy for three hours wasn't the correct avenue. Just my two cents.

The thing people never got about the Richard Donner movies is that the best scenes were never about the quips. Those are the ones that turn out to be the most dated.

It's the fact that Superman was coy. He knows how flabbergasted people must feel and his charisma is the thing that truly pulled through.

Henry doesn't need to make jokes like Robert Downey Jr. He needs to show actual character behind that face.

All that mattered to me was the journey, to see the character grow and transition into the icon he is meant to be. But BvS ruined it, made him a total bitch and now it's gonna make him pop out of the grave singing and dancing. THe issue I take with it is that it's them having taked a step forward with MoS, then a step back with BvS and now they are gonna take two steps forward. I believe Zack even stated taht Diana was inspired in a way by Superman to come back, but they couldn't even be bothered to set that up in BvS. Even at the funeral she seems totally unfazed by it. It's all gonna be forced IMO and this Superman will always have a major piece missing that BvS failed to give him.

When Jessica JOnes (a rape victim and an alcoholic) shows more moments of likability than Superman who's only real problem are basically mean internet comments, you have a problem. It's not that he shouldn't be somewhat upset by all the flack (despite it never really having any physical affect on him), but there needed to be a balance. Snyder took everything people didn't like about Superman in the first movie, and then doubled it.

I was admittedly not impressed with MOS after my third or fourth rewatch but the thing that interested me was where they could take him. The Superman earth one series by JMS is the perfect material to adapt because it's a continual journey of his character. I also read the same interview about Wondy being inspired but inspired by what. They didn't share any words or any moment of character building thanks to Zack's insistence that superheroes speaking in costume is stupid and the film suffered for it. Eh, I guess we'll see what effect it had on the others in JL. Maybe, Barry, Vic and Arthur are more inspired.

They didn't even have to talk, but for me something would have been better than nothing. Maybe a scene of her reading a paper of Superman saving people and it having an affect on her of maybe wanting to do something. There's this show called Clone HIgh that makes fun of Teen Dramas. In one episode. they introduce a character who's never been on it and build him up as this very important character. They proceed to kill him off and act lik everyone loved him. This is what that feels like to me, but on CLone High it was hilarious, here it's just an other missed opportunity on a long list of things that could have happened on BvS.

This was used in Suicide Squad and it irked me to no end. I liked the film because it was stupid fun and I go for that sort of stuff but the constant batting the audience over the head with how Superman was a 'national hero' got on my nerves. Like, if they'd shown that sort of stuff other than the general dislike of him then the reaction would be fine. The whole 'If you seek his monument look around you' thing was annoying as well.

Well shout out to the power couple the pair you miss the most.

The ones that when all is said and done make you say.

Wow that is amazing err no not Spiderman however Peter Parker and Black cat make a great couple to...just sayin.

But Clark and Diana or Superman and Wonder Women.

If I missed one book I read every month it would be this one.

If i missed a comic with class it would be this one.

So my glass tipped my toast made and my point if I had one is.

One day may they do the couple justice.

In a league all its own.

Creative and great.....

One just has to wonder.

@super-wonder: I know you posted that image almost a year ago but that is honestly freaking amazing what you did with the Superman Wonder Woman emblems. I wish you made that like a wall paper for cell phones

@jcrc48721: Is there a certain size for cell phones? or what size would you need I'm sure that I can put one together for you you.

@jcrc48721:

Gallery

Here are some that I threw together, perhaps you can use one of these?

Lemme know

@super-wonder said:

@jcrc48721:

Gallery

Here are some that I threw together, perhaps you can use one of these?

Lemme know

Those are pretty good, I'm no S/WW 'shipper but I can't deny it does bring out some cracking talent from it's fans.

So I just saw the full SM/WW episode today (I believe it came out this week in the US). My thoughts...

Justice League Action- Review

Basically the same thoughts I had about it during the Hour Long Special. The comedy and the banter between all the characters is pretty bad to me. That isn't a problem of the episode or the paring, but the show as a whole. Action and feats are pretty cool though. At the end, I don't really know what to think. It borders on cute/fine for the audience it wants to play to.

Rating- Eh, it's fine

@sethysquare: Well, I love the Superman/Wonder woman pairing for the simplest of reason: finally, Superman has someone that he can actually...err...make love to - believably. It's a good match-up, and makes far more sense than a measly old earth woman who will age quickly and can break with a sneeze.

This is what I hate the most about Superwondy 'shippers, their tellingly shallow and superficial opinions on Lois and her importance to Clark, which goes beyond just a physical attraction.

I have no problem with you lot preferring this couple, but you can do it without throwing Lois under the bus.

With attitudes like this, it just makes me even happier Lois and Clark's true love and legacy in the core canon is represented by Jon, all while Diana presently wallows in the loony bin. Much as I love Diana, it's fitting karma for admitting to leading N52 Clark on when she did'nt give a damn about him

@zariusii: As demonstrated, I can actually do it any way I like. Lois is a distant and absurd pairing for Clark when Wonder Woman is available. Besides, we both know that Superman would swoop in to save her from the bus anyway lol.

I'm sorry not sorry to inform you that Wonder Woman is not available and will not be made available for Superman to have someone that he can...err...bang, believably, are you serious

Personally, I like to think that Clark is her play thing. Like Sunstone... if you know what I mean?

@saintwildcard: I do yeah, Wonder Woman likes a good pounding and only Superman can give it to her, that's why she looks like she was hit by a train in the cartoon your commissioned. Sounds like a perfectly good reason to pair them together

Hmm, other way around. Clark is the one who gets tied up and dominated

Sounds like a perfectly good reason to pair them together

Indeed

@saintwildcard: Nah...I actually thought that maybe Diana and Artemis had a thing. Now that Clark is laying the pipe, it seems that Wonder Woman has truly come (pun intended) out of her shell:-)

The rope trick wouldn't work - as I recall, Clark strangled her with it in the Superman/Batman thing a few years back, and Bizarro even broke it. She'd have (much) better luck dominating Bruce than Kal - but you can have your fantasy if you like. Cheers.

@archizooom: Lol perhaps not..but she certainly should be made available as such. Alas.