Bastion76

@DeathandGrim2: I’m just tired of everyone acting like marvel is total perfection

@godsaveusall: Feige has slipped up but everyone ignore it and acts like he is total perfection

And I don’t mean ‘decent but disappointing’ bad but actually bad. It feels like they’ll never be criticized on a mass level or ever will

@wilkins17: we didn’t know shit about Spiderman and they changed his motives from making Uncle Ben proud to impressing Tony Stark and nothing else

My point is everyone is familiar with the typical Batman similar to Spiderman that all we need to do is skim over it

@zevet:

1. It is just cheap and horseshit. The so,o movies are incredibly bland and just commercials for avengers. You can have as many movies as you want but that doesn’t make it good. Clearly T5 is amazing because it had 4 movies

2. Only because it was a generic action flick and Widow was not established at all. I barely even remembered her. Even then we still don’t know who she is or her origins

3. Yeah except mcu movies are not enjoyable or its own story. It took me 3 times to finish Cap TFA because of how stale it is

4. None of what you said happened. There was no conflict or arcs at all. Everyone is the same character

5. What would change about the movie? Why don’t YOU explain that? Just having more movies doesn’t make it good. I did not care about any of the avengers besides iron man because they were flatter than paper and the solo movies existed to set up avengers. I do not care about half of the avengers. Idc how many movies one has been in it doesn’t make them a good character. Like explain how Cap is any different from beginning to end in his movie

6. Oh yeah because ‘I’m always angry’ is SOOO brilliant. People have already explained Martha but if you’re either too stubborn or too stupid to see it here it goes. He was taken back to his mother and father dying when he was powerless. Superman like his father wanted his Martha to be safe. Bruce can’t let another Martha die. It wasn’t even Martha that stop him he was furious with Superman and thought it was a trick. Remember Bruce essentially has PTSD and usually remembers every detail about it. Oh and why did Superman say save Martha instead of my mother because saying my mother is so much more helpful to finding her than Martha. He didn’t expect Luthor to keep his word and when he was going to die at least he could die knowing she was safe

@king_krown: Why can't you establish AND develop them? How long does it take to establish someone?

@zevet: so being in ONE film makes it alright? I mean half of the JL were in at least one movie dedicated to them. Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg are essentially the same role as Hawkeye and Widow. Hell people go on about how we've been wiht the Avengers for ten years but at most the mcu heroes have been in six films (Iron Man) on average they've been in only 3-5. Lets go through all of them

Iron Man- 7 movies (3 entirely to him, 2 Avengers, partial lead in Civil War, minor role in SM)

Captain America- 6 movies (3 to him, 2 Avengers, I guess as a video recording in SM)

Thor- 5 movies (3 to him, 2 Avengers)

Hulk- 4 movies (1 to him, 2 Avengers, half of Ragnarok)

Black Widow- 5 movies (partial in Iron Man2, 2 Avengers, 2 Captain Americas... a side character has been in more movies than one of the big 4)

Hawkeye- 3 movies (2 Avengers, Civil War, I guess as a shadow in Thor so 4)

War Machine- 4 movies (3 Iron Man, very brief in AoU, Civil War)

Scarlet Witch- 2 Movies (AoU and Civil War)

Vision- 2 movies (AoU and Civil War)

Ant Man- 2 movies (Ant Man and Civil War)

Spiderman- 2 movies (Civil War and Homecoming)

Doctor Strange- 1 movie (Doctor Strange)

Guardians- 2 movies

most of them have been in at most 3 movies. Out of 13 characters only 5 are more than 4 and some of those are supporting or limited roles. Even then a film shouldnt be a freaking prologue. Even then half of the Avengers did not even change or develop at all. How was Thor any different beginning to end in Avengers? What arc does Iron Man go through in? The closest I can think of is Hulk but it is so abrupt and poorly handled it is a joke. Again you shouldnt rely on other films to set up their characters. If JL had a million movies establishing these characters NOTHING would change. All the characters are established in about 2 seconds and do develop. Flash is established as a loner trying to help his father. At the end he is moving on from his father. Is it shakespeare or the most brilliant develop? No but to say there was no development or you can't have your cake and eat it just isn't true. In fact I'd say Batman and Wonder Woman had the least development. Batman I can sort of stretch out originally believe his end was near and being borderline suicidal taking on a near death mission but it is filling in too many dots. Wonder Woman is literally the same beginning to end.

It isn't hard to establish a character AND develop them. This idea that you need one movie to establish one to develop is bs. You are basically saying movies HAVE to be split up and one has to be a martre. BvS for all its flaws established AND developed Batman pretty well. He is broken and old and just has no hope. By the end he is a totally opposite person from the start. He had more development in 1 film than most of the Avengers in most. Hell even mcu establish AND develop their characters. For example Captain America TWS establishes that Cap is happy with his life and how things are in his world but by the end it literally comes crumbling down. Why does establish AND development have to be mutually exclusive

@angryhulks: not even Avengers gave everyone equal attention

@zevet: You shouldnt need multiple movies to tell a full story. Establishing characters IS character development. Do we need 2 hours to say this guy got hit by lighting and runs fast?? X Men established Xavier's school, Scott, Jean and Storm pretty decent in a matter of MINUTES

The thing is characters like Aquman Flash and Cyborg in this universe arent at that level yet. Aquaman doesnt care about anything, Flash is a kid wanting to help his dad and Cyborg is confused and lonely. Batman and Wonder Woman are suppose to help them BECOME heroes

@king_krown: because practically everyone know them? Do we really need another Batman Begins? People already think having the Wayne murder AGAIN is too much. Guess SM Homecoming needed an origin part