Moondragon is a powerful telekinetic and telepath, as well as the daughter of Arthur Douglas (better known as Drax). She once possessed the Mind Gem, one of the six Infinity Gems. Although she is a cold, shrewd loner at heart, she was almost always a member of a superhero team.
From someone who does multiple psychic respect threads.....
Brief Summary
Heather Douglas was the daughter of Arthur Douglas, whose reanimated corpse was made into Drax the Destroyer. When Heather was still a girl, her father was driving her and her mother through the desert when they accidentally happened to see the spaceship of Thanos land; the space villain didn't want any witnesses, so he blew their car up. She was found by Thanos' father, Mentor, who took her to his home world, Titan, to be raised by the Titanian Shao-Lorn monks in their monastery. While there, Heather studied the Titans' ways and disciplines to unlock her latent psychic potential and gained her mental and physical powers. However, she came under the influence of a powerful entity called the Dragon of the Moon; she believed she had resisted it, which filled her with pride, and she took the name Moondragon as a result. She has been killed and resurrected into a clone body twice in her history and lost her status as the Dragon of the Moon's avatar after her second death, though she still retains her alias. Eventually, the Dragon of the Moon returns to Moondragon and alerts her of an AU Moondragon in the universe. Seeking out vengeance against that Moondragon for being a better version of herself, that Moondragon defeats the 616 version in psychic combat and merges with her.
Handbooks
616 Moondragon
Telepathy
Raw Power
Skill
Offense
Defense
Range
Psychic Fights
616 Telekinesis
Raw Power
Complex TK
Offense
Defense
Mind Gem
Mechanics
Telepathic Raw Power
Telepathic Skill
Telepathic Offense
Telepathic Defense
Telepathic Range
Psychic Fights
Telekinetic Raw Power
Complex TK
Telekinetic Defense
General Psionics
Other Psionics
Heroverse Moondragon
Heroverse Telepathy
Later Moondragon of Earth-616 merges with an AU version of Moondragon. Due to this, the Moondragon from Earth-18897's feats will also go in this thread, since they could arguably be replicated by the currently merged Moondragon.
Raw Power
Skill
Offense
Defense
Psychic Fights
Heroverse Telekinesis
As said before, Moondragon from Earth-616, merges with Moondragon from Earth-18897 later in her history. Thus, all feats from that Moondragon will attribute to the newly merged Moondragon. So, her feats in telekinesis go here.
For a time, being an avatar of the Dragon of the Moon allowed Moondragon to become a literal dragon up to her death in Annihilation Conquest #3. It is unknown if she still retains this ability post-resurrection. This is not the same as when the Dragon of the Moon possessed her body. Those feats are in the section below this one. These feats are purely Moondragon with a dragon body.
Dragon of the Moon-Possessed
Originally, the Dragon of the Moon was a malevolent entity that came to Heather one night after she had mastered her psionic abilities on Titan. Wishing to stop the entity's plans, Heather would lock the Dragon of the Moon within the recesses of her mind, dormant until later when it would break free and try to take control of Moondragon. After a while of Heather resisting its influence, the Dragon of the Moon would eventually succeed in taking control of Heather when her life is threatened, with it offering to save her in exchange of it corrupting her and controlling her with its power. Heather would eventually be stopped by the Defenders, even after the Beyonder would give her some more power to take them on, with some part of Heather's innate goodness still holding the Dragon of the Moon back.
There are times in the comics when the Dragon of the Moon is referred to as a complete separate entity like it originally was, but it is also at times seen as a dark side of Moondragon's personality and powers. For the sake of simplicity and consistency, we will refer to the Dragon of the Moon as a separate entity and separate form from normal Moondragon that possesses her here in this section, just as it used to be written originally.
@pyrofn: @d2wolflike: Imo, those mind gem feats put moondragon above any other mortal telepath(including all omega level telepaths), and if her psionic power were to somehow scale to surfer's during this issue then she would comfortably be reaching skyfather/abstract level of psionic power.
@olorun: I disagree based on the fact that a good chunk of them were her needing an amp for the cosmic level ones that the Mind Gem couldn’t provide or accidents she had no clue the Mind Gem was ever capable of.
The only cosmic level feats she purposely did consistently was her scanning the universe, which doesn’t always translate to her power, since she can be blocked by conventional psi-shielding from Xavier, be stalemated by 90’s Jean Grey, be beaten by Tyrranus, be blocked from Maxam’s mind, couldn’t control Thor’s madness, and so on.
@pyrofn: her mind gem feats from homecoming are just really good, not sure you have read the graphic novel, but she pierced the mind of a being who was at the very least more powerful than galactus in terms of tp. Hiding herself from the surfer's cosmic awareness/natural psionic senses. And sending the surfer inside the being, 's mind.
And when I said she the scaling thing I was referring to norrin stalemating/beating this being in mental battle and since this being is at least comparable to galactus scaling to the surfer ij this instance is more impressive than anything done by omega level telepaths.
@pyrofn: her mind gem feats from homecoming are just really good, not sure you have read the graphic novel, but she pierced the mind of a being who was at the very least more powerful than galactus in terms of tp. Hiding herself from the surfer's cosmic awareness/natural psionic senses. And sending the surfer inside the being, 's mind.
And when I said she the scaling thing I was referring to norrin stalemating/beating this being in mental battle and since this being is at least comparable to galactus scaling to the surfer ij this instance is more impressive than anything done by omega level telepaths.
1) The feats from Homecoming are in the thread. I definitely read it.
2) The Great One’s power is debatable. Moondragon said his physical strength is equal to Galactus with his intellect being the greatest part about him. Yet, Silver Surfer beats him in a psychic fight. Either Galactus is terrible in telepathy (which Xavier can attest that that is false) or Moondragon vastly overestimated the entity, which is more likely.
3) Hiding from another telepath isn‘t really that impressive. Vastly weaker telepaths have hidden from high tiers before and non-telepathic beings like Wolverine have done it multiple times.
4) Sending the Silver Surfer’s being was done with Surfer’s permission. His mind isn’t exactly that vast. The reason I even added that feat is because Moondragon has never had a feat like it before.
5) I know what you were doing regarding the scaling thing. But realistically, if this being were on par with Galactus, Surfer would be dwarfed and stomped immediately.
If Moondragon were to dwarf every telepath with the Mind Gem as you said, she could have stomped a weaker version of Jean and steamrolled past Xavier’s shielding an entire team of superheroes. She couldn’t do that. She at best manages to only block Xavier from reading too deeply into the Infinity Watch and stalemates Jean Grey when she was weaker.
His power really isn't debatable imo, if it was compared to Galactus there's no reason to doubt moondragon's words when amped by the mind gem. If it comes from the fact that norrin's was able to stalemate him for a few moments then you should know that norrin is a top tier telepath and even outside of tp battles he's consistently hanging with higher level beings for a period of time before he gets actually stomped, it's not an anti feat for "the great one" as much as it is a regular punching up moment for the surfer, norrin only really "beat" him because he indirectly basically gave him brain damage.
@pyrofn: it's surprising that it's so off since the infinity trilogy and this graphic novel were all written by starlin himself. It's just that in this graphic novel Heather is being portrayed in a completely different level.
His power really isn't debatable imo, if it was compared to Galactus there's no reason to doubt moondragon's words when amped by the mind gem. If it comes from the fact that norrin's was able to stalemate him for a few moments then you should know that norrin is a top tier telepath and even outside of tp battles he's consistently hanging with higher level beings for a period of time before he gets actually stomped, it's not an anti feat for "the great one" as much as it is a regular punching up moment for the surfer, norrin only really "beat" him because he indirectly basically gave him brain damage.
1) It is if the feats don’t match up and Moondragon’s word has been wrong before. She has a bad overconfidence streak that makes her think she is always right when she isn’t for like 60 percent of the time. The very fact that Silver Surfer, subordinate to Galactus, won is a direct contradiction to Moondragon’s comparison. It’s like Karma being the most powerful X-Man back in the 2010’s era post-AvX when Rachel Grey and Teen Jean Grey are still around, the latter whom one in a psychic battle against Karma.
2) “If it comes from the fact that norrin's was able to stalemate him for a few moments then you should know that norrin is a top tier telepath and even outside of tp battles he's consistently hanging with higher level beings for a period of time before he gets actually stomped”
This is what you’re not getting though. Norrin didn’t briefly stalemate the Great One. He won in a contest of raw power. Not stalemate. He won!
3) “it's not an anti feat for "the great one" as much as it is a regular punching up moment for the surfer, norrin only really "beat" him because he indirectly basically gave him brain damage.”
No, he didn’t. The scan above shows exactly that Silver Surfer won the battle of raw power unscathed. He directly fought the being, ken the power struggle, and gave the being brain damage as a result. There was no backlash to show that it was a stalemate between the two, nor was Silver Surfer even harmed in the end. He literally won the bout.
Silver Surfer is a powerful psychic, but he is not Galactus-level in power by any stretch of the imagination in any power he wields.
If we do take Moondragon’s word at face value, then it’s a clear outlier just like Jean flying into the heart of a white hole star.
4) “it's surprising that it's so off since the infinity trilogy and this graphic novel were all written by starlin himself.”
The statements you were making did not happen in-comic though. The most comparable thing the Great One did is absorb planets into his head. By all rights, that is the one feat that could possibly back up the Great One being that powerful.
The problem is literally that he loses a psychic battle with the Silver Surfer and is damaged so badly that he slowly dies from the single injury Surfer did on him.
In the same vain, when Moondragon performs a feat that could have her surpass any being with telepathy in the universe, she needs the Silver Surfer to take power from a star and amp himself to funnel his cosmic energy into the Mind Gem. She couldn’t do it on her own. She literally needed the Surfer and a star to be capable of doing the one impressive feat in the issue. Every other feat she did in-comic is debatably something the high tiers could and have done in the past. The fact of the matter is that these feats you are referencing are being blown way out of proportion and being misremembered.
I'm curious if you're including the recently merged moondragon, as well as what you think of their overall power level since they've already done one decent feat and one that's frankly pretty insane depending on how you interpret it.
Also the draconic shapeshifting section wouldn't open for me.
@pyrofn: pls, you're leaving context out. Norrin didnt overcome "the great one" power. He instead accidentally destroyed a satellite on the background, nothing to do with his actual mental powers. His feats and statements do not contradict each other at all. He's stated to be galactus level and he's got feats of psionically consuming planets like nothing. If you think people like onslaught or even shadowking are capable of doing such a feat then speak up, but I highly doubt that you will.
Norrin didn't win out of raw power, yes norrin is tpossibly the best telepath (when it comes to raw power), but that wasn't enough to beat the great one. If you go back to the novel you can see that norrin was fearing for his life when their mental powers collided. Not sure why we are comparing the surfer and an abstract to nate and dani tho. Again I'm not sure why we would consider this an outlier for surfer, when we clearly know surfer just isn't on that level but he can simply punch up for a period of time, like his fight against the griever.
Tl;dr surfer although he had great raw power did not beat the psionic entity with it, instead accidentally destroying something in the background.
@pyrofn: pls, you're leaving context out. Norrin didnt overcome "the great one" power. He instead accidentally destroyed a satellite on the background, nothing to do with his actual mental powers. His feats and statements do not contradict each other at all. He's stated to be galactus level and he's got feats of psionically consuming planets like nothing. If you think people like onslaught or even shadowking are capable of doing such a feat then speak up, but I highly doubt that you will.
Norrin didn't win out of raw power, yes norrin is tpossibly the best telepath (when it comes to raw power), but that wasn't enough to beat the great one. If you go back to the novel you can see that norrin was fearing for his life when their mental powers collided. Not sure why we are comparing the surfer and an abstract to nate and dani tho. Again I'm not sure why we would consider this an outlier for surfer, when we clearly know surfer just isn't on that level but he can simply punch up for a period of time, like his fight against the griever.
Tl;dr surfer although he had great raw power did not beat the psionic entity with it, instead accidentally destroying something in the background.
1) "pls, you're leaving context out. Norrin didnt overcome "the great one" power. He instead accidentally destroyed a satellite on the background, nothing to do with his actual mental powers."
Same difference. The planet was a part of the beings mind and Silver Surfer took part in its destruction in his battle with the Great One. He came out unscathed from the backlash. The Great One didn't. The Silver Surfer thus had greater defense in a psychic plane that where his soul was inhabiting the Great One's. A telepath knows how to shield their minds from the mental blows of their opponents, even when their is a psychic backlash. Yet, the Great One explains the entire universe they are in is the mind of the Great One. Destroying that planet did fatal harm to the being.
2) "His feats and statements do not contradict each other at all."
You say that when the only feat this entity has that compares is converting planets into thought patterns. Literally no other of his feats demonstrate him being anywhere near Galactus' level of power.
3) "He's stated to be galactus level and he's got feats of psionically consuming planets like nothing."
It's his only feat. None of his other feats compare to any of Galactus' feats. Galactus would not have been stalemated by the Surfer in psychic combat. In fact, he wouldn't have been injured by the Surfer from a psychic backlash. You are arguing a case for a being who lost to the Silver Surfer because the psychic backlash destroyed a planet that resulted in fatal brain damage. That's not what a Galactus level being would lose to.
4) "If you think people like onslaught or even shadowking are capable of doing such a feat then speak up, but I highly doubt that you will."
I didn't say they were capable of that kind of feat. I said that that was the only feat that argues his case. The rest of his feats are basic astral projecting and dueling on the psychic plane. He is not that impressive by that stretch. He has one impressive feat that puts him above others. It is not enough to argue a case for Surfer. Its a case that calls it either an outlier or makes Moondragon an unreliable narrator. Either way, the Great One isn't helping anybody with that kind of anti-feat under his belt.
5) "Norrin didn't win out of raw power, yes norrin is possibly the best telepath (when it comes to raw power), but that wasn't enough to beat the great one. If you go back to the novel you can see that norrin was fearing for his life when their mental powers collided. Not sure why we are comparing the surfer and an abstract to nate and dani tho."
Yes, he did win off of raw power. He created a psychic backlash that destroyed a planet, which resulted in causing fatal brain damage where Surfer comes out unscathed. The Great One literally explains that the universe that the Surfer is in, and thereby everything else inside, are his thoughts and destroying it did irreparable damage to his mind.
If you want to prove Norrin as a superior telepath, you gotta look elsewhere because this feat is either way out of his ballpark or is being overhyped by you.
I didn't mention Dani and Nate. I mentioned Jean and Karma. I don't know what you are talking about.
6) "surfer although he had great raw power did not beat the psionic entity with it, instead accidentally destroying something in the background."
His raw power caused a psychic backlash that destroyed that planet. That is the Surfer's doing as much as the Great One's. If Surfer had ran in front of a planet that the Great One destroyed, then it wouldn't have been his doing. If the Surfer attacked the Great One and the Great One broke free which caused a psychic wave that shattered a planet, Surfer would be somewhat indirectly responsible, but not from his own power.
Neither happened. Surfer collided energies with the Great One and it caused a backlash that destroyed an uninhabited planet. That caused damage to the Great One. Surfer won off of raw power. He didn't lose. He wasn't injured. He was unharmed.
I'm curious if you're including the recently merged moondragon, as well as what you think of their overall power level since they've already done one decent feat and one that's frankly pretty insane depending on how you interpret it.
Also the draconic shapeshifting section wouldn't open for me.
High tier, but below Emma Frost in psychic combat skill. Potential as much raw power as Rachel Summers, but I have yet to really make a comparison because I’m still going through her feats.
That’s just Classic to pre-merging. I have no clue about the merging power levels yet because I’m not there yet. It could be as drastic enough to make her a god tier, but based on her performances and the fact that writers love to create tension in stories, I’m not keeping my hopes up. It will probably be negligible at best.
The draconian shape-shifting didn’t have anything before because I was barely entering the Annihilation era. It’s updated now, so you can look at the very, very few feats she has.
@pyrofn: not the same difference at all, I don't know why you're trying so hard to lowball an abstract entity. Norrin didnt have the power to outdo the entity at all, he accidentally hit the free planets on the background. This was quite clearly a case of norrin punching up like he does so many times, like he's done to galactus himself.
READ THE NOVEL PLS. Because you're coming off as a bit dense, it was stated that he had galactus level power and more in telepathy. Norrin couldn't even do anything to it in the normal plane. Don't know why you would doubt moondragon in this situation. It had power to pull hundreds of planets to the astral plane, it had the power to mentally kill the surfer( same person who's resisted mephisto) and you're still lowballing this entity to what? Emma frost level? Lmao. Again norrin didn't directly attack the entity but the planets inside its head, which had not been touched or influenced by the entity which was literally just trying to save them from the kree/skrull war.
@pyrofn: not the same difference at all, I don't know why you're trying so hard to lowball an abstract entity. Norrin didnt have the power to outdo the entity at all, he accidentally hit the free planets on the background. This was quite clearly a case of norrin punching up like he does so many times, like he's done to galactus himself.
READ THE NOVEL PLS. Because you're coming off as a bit dense, it was stated that he had galactus level power and more in telepathy. Norrin couldn't even do anything to it in the normal plane. Don't know why you would doubt moondragon in this situation. It had power to pull hundreds of planets to the astral plane, it had the power to mentally kill the surfer( same person who's resisted mephisto) and you're still lowballing this entity to what? Emma frost level? Lmao. Again norrin didn't directly attack the entity but the planets inside its head, which had not been touched or influenced by the entity which was literally just trying to save them from the kree/skrull war.
1) The Great One is not an abstract entity. He’s a physical floating brain with psychic power. An abstract entity in Marvel is a being beyond human comprehension with no actual physical body or form to them.
And I can’t low-ball an entity who appears in one story and dies in the same story. He has one great feat and dies after a psychic battle with the surfer. He has nothing aside from one singular feat to compare to Galactus. You literally cannot make any case with him without that singular feat, which taken away makes him so far below Galactus.
2) I did. Multiple times thanks to this conversation. Nothing I’ve said thus far is wrong. The information is right there in the comic. He literally claims that entire universe is his mind. Destroying that planet did fatal damage.
Its indisputable. He even says that only an outsider like the Surfer could destroy him, which goes directly against Moondragon’s comparison.
3) “Because you're coming off as a bit dense”
Rude. You have not brought anything to dispute my claims. All you keep doing is repeating the same fact,
”Silver Surfer destroyed a random planet.”
And denying it counts as a win for the Surfer, despite the fact that the comic clearly states in it that it’s the exact reason why the entity was dying. Explain to me exactly why that entity was dying if none of what I said is true. Show me that you read the story correctly because I’m frankly tired of being the one bringing scans to a conversation where you simply tell me I’m wrong without proof.
4) “it was stated that he had galactus level power and more in telepathy”
Yes, and the statement is clearly wrong.
5) “Norrin couldn't even do anything to it in the normal plane.”
The Surfer was trying to get its attention. It didn’t work. It’s not as if his goal was to destroy the only thing in the universe that knew what happened to Zenn-La.
6) “Don't know why you would doubt moondragon in this situation”
Because Moondragon is not an undisputed authority on everything. She can be, and has, been wrong many times in the past and she so arrogant that her pride won’t allow her to admit when she is in over her head. I know this because I am literally going through her entire history.
I have the authority to say what she thinks inside and out because I’m reading them in the very comics she is in and have direct evidence of the way she thinks and countless times she has been wrong in the past.
If the evidence doesn’t match the statement, then there is doubt about whether the statement and character are right in this situation. It’s not like When the feats add up and the character has a proven record to be a relatable source of information. Moondragon is incredibly smart, but not infallible.
7) “It had power to pull hundreds of planets to the astral plane”
It had the power to pull every planet it came across to its mind. Nothing suggests that it did that in succession. In fact, evidence proves the contrary. There are statements about it being in constant movement, meaning it travels the universe and does this randomly to different planets. Hell, that very planet Surfer destroyed was uninhabited, showing that it does this at random.
8) “it had the power to mentally kill the surfer”
Having the power to do something does not mean someone is stronger than another. I can swing a sledge hammer into a car and damage it beyond repair. Yet, that doesn’t make me as strong as a car with a sledge hammer in my hand.
The feats just don’t add up. A psychic confrontation should have had the entity stomp Surfer, not stalemate him and then die from the backlash destroying a random planet.
9) “you're still lowballing this entity to what? Emma frost level? Lmao”
I’m low-balling it to below the Surfer’s level because of its weakness. You’re calling me dense when you make this conclusion based off me saying basically, “The rest of its feats are things your average telepath is capable of”?
10) “Again norrin didn't directly attack the entity but the planets inside its head, which had not been touched or influenced by the entity which was literally just trying to save them from the kree/skrull war.”
And what did the entity say the result was from destroying that planet?
@pyrofn: ??? You're just wrong now. Galactus is an abstract and yet he's got a body in the physical plane, abstracts like eternity or even the inbetweener have physical bodies, THEY'RE STILL ABSTRACTS. It refers to people of higher power who originate from higher( or beyond) dimensions. Beings like celestials. The great one is on that level of power. Moondragon with mind gem scales to it and norrin🤷🏿♂️.
That feat and statements go hand in hand. There's absolutely no reason to disbelieve the word of the narrator(at the time being moondragon). How does it contradict what moondragon said exactly?
Im sorry if you got offended. Your claims are conjecture at best, most of them can be explained, AND HAVE. Yes the planet was not the powerful psionic part of the great one that norrin was fighting, it was stated to be a small insignificant planet in the background. Norrin simply did not win in a direct confrontation, simple.
How is that statement wrong??? Because he couldnt breach norrin's defenses??? Even current galactus wasn't able to breach norrin's defenses🤦🏿♂️ it's not an anti-feat for the great one at all, and given more time he probably could've.
We both have the novel in front of us, not sure why you need me to post scans.
Omds you're unironically trolling, IF HER EGO MAKES HER UNDERESTIMATE HER OPPONENT THEN YOU CAN'T SAY SHE'S OVERESTIMATING "THE GREAT ONE" 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️. Inb4 you start yelling pis and outlier again👀.
There's nothing that contradicts her statement. It's literally just you trying to lowball a galactus level being all the way down to jean grey level for no reason.
But when statements and feats tell you they're stronger than the car then denying it is beyond stupid no??
Now you're literally just saying "Well it did these feats and x can do this feat... That means he's only at x level". Like stop for a second and think about it. Just because he did something casual doesn't mean he's at a lower level at all. It's literally like saying "Well, jean grey is able to beat xavier, bit she's also shown to be able to tp normal humans, that means she's not actually xavier level because even lower end telepaths can tp humans". This is how you' re sounding rn.
@olorun: I don’t have to explain what I do in my day-to-day life to you of all people. And geekryan is not interested in your delusion of a false victory. If you really feel that vindicated about beating me in a argument that I’ve not gotten to, then you need to take a step back and get over yourself. Since you want to act like this:
1) “Galactus is an abstract and yet he's got a body in the physical plane, abstracts like eternity or even the inbetweener have physical bodies, THEY'RE STILL ABSTRACTS”
It’s called M-Body, something you’d learn by reading. Abstracts use it all the time to appear on the physical plane to mortals. That is not the same thing as a literal body’s. It’s like talking through a puppet for them.
2) “Moondragon with mind gem scales to it and norrin”
Not by feats.
3) “That feat and statements go hand in hand”
That one feat. Meanwhile, the anti-feat completely cancels it out. The Great One does not have enough appearances and feats to prove the statement true.
4) “There's absolutely no reason to disbelieve the word of the narrator(at the time being moondragon)”
He lost to Silver Surfer! There is every reason to disbelieve the word of the narrator.
5) “Im sorry if you got offended”
I wasn’t before. Not until you started talking crap about me to Geekryan, who need I remind you also ignored you because they can care less about what you are ranting and raving about. They are here to look at Moondragon’s RT, not pat you on the back for not making a point.
6) “Your claims are conjecture at best, most of them can be explained, AND HAVE”
Conjecture? He literally says in-comic what happens. We see in-comic what happens. You didn’t even explain anything relevant. You just repeated what Moondragon said and then said that Surfer merely destroyed a random planet without noting what the consequence of doing that was.
That isn’t explaining anything. That is quoting information you either don’t understand or are choosing to ignore. Surfer destroyed a planet. Great. What happened after he destroyed it? You neglected to answr that because you know for a fact that it damaged the Great One fatally.
7) “Yes the planet was not the powerful psionic part of the great one that norrin was fighting, it was stated to be a small insignificant planet in the background. Norrin simply did not win in a direct confrontation, simple.”
He said that after literally saying,
“This entire universe is mine, and it is my mind.”
When he calls it an ‘insignificant planet’, he means uninhabited, as in no one other than the Great One was hurt. He does not mean that it meant nothing in the battle.
8) “How is that statement wrong??? Because he couldnt breach norrin's defenses???”
Because his psychic battle with Norton ended with him fatally wounded! I have repeated this fact multiple times and you won’t get it through your brain that that is what resulted from the battle.
9) “Even current galactus wasn't able to breach norrin's defenses”
What are you talking about now? Galactus has tampered with Silver Surfer’s mind before.
10) “IF HER EGO MAKES HER UNDERESTIMATE HER OPPONENT THEN YOU CAN'T SAY SHE'S OVERESTIMATING "THE GREAT ONE"”
She didn’t face the Great One. Nor does her ego mean she only underestimates her opponent.
It means she values only her opinion as the leading authority. It is unfathomable that she be wrong. That is what it means.
11) “It's literally just you trying to lowball a galactus level being all the way down to jean grey level for no reason.”
I never said he was Jean Grey level. You keep putting words in my mouth that I never said. If you are not gonna listen, then I should have just ignored you from the beginning.
12) “But when statements and feats tell you they're stronger than the car then denying it is beyond stupid no??”
If a person is saying I am stronger than a car, then agreeing with them is stupid. Me having a metal bat used to trash a car does not make it a feat scaling me to the strength of lifting or stopping a car. It just means I’m capable of damaging one that isn’t moving.
13) “Now you're literally just saying "Well it did these feats and x can do this feat... That means he's only at x level".”
The meaning of the statement is saying his feats are unremarkable. He has one good feat. That is not enough to call him a Galactus level being, especially when him losing to the Surfer scales him down.
Your analogy of Xavier and Jean is not what I was saying at all. A better analogy of what I’m saying would be like saying Jean Grey is star level because she flew in the middle of a White Hole Star that Binary was powering. Since when has Jean ever done a feat on that level of power? Never. That is what I was saying. Not whatever you just said.
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