@comicace3 said:
So your telling me... That SSJ1 is much more powerful than SSJ 4? BS. Here's there real power lvl. http://www.angelfire.com/anime/chicosdbzpage2/powerlevels.html
That power level list is fake. There are no officially stated power levels past the Frieza saga. After that point, power levels must be calculated manually.
Anywho, reposting something I wrote in another thread.
"SS1 Goku during the Frieza saga was 150 million. When Vegeta left the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Goku stated that he would have had to have gotten 3 times stronger to even stand a chance against Semi-Perfect Cell. It's generally accepted that Goku and Vegeta were about equal pre HTC. So assuming Goku did NOT get stronger from his fight with Frieza and 4 more years of training, that puts SS1 Vegeta at 450 million. Later, when Goku leaves the time chamber, he powers up for Korin. His level of power greatly alarms Vegeta and Trunks, this indicates Goku is now greater than or equal to Vegeta. Goku then reveals to Korin that he only used about half of his power. That puts FPSS Cell saga Goku at 900 mil. Same song and dance for Gohan. Through the course of the story it's revealed he is equal to Goku. Then Gohan goes SS2, which is twice as strong as SS1 according to the Super Exciting Guide. That puts SS2 Gohan at at least 1.8 billion.
Then you get into the Buu saga. SS3 is another x4 on top of SS2, so assuming Goku didn't get any stronger in his 7 years of training, that puts him at 7.2 billion. I'll come back to the Buu saga later, because there's more points to be made there, but I'll skip ahead to GT for now. In GT, Goku becomes so powerful that he is easily a match for Super Perfect Cell, in his base form. SS2 Gohan was roughly equivalent to SPC, so base form GT Goku equals at least 1.8 billion, but likely much higher. Now to account for SS3, we simply multiply his base power level by x400. That puts SS3 Goku in GT at at least 720 billion.
SS4 is where things get tricky. Its power multiplier has not been stated, but it's generally accepted by fans to be at least a x4000 multiplier, or 10x stronger than SS3. Why? Simple. SS3 Goku was not enough to defeat Baby. Goku then went SS4 and started stomping Baby. Baby then transformed into the Golden Oozaru form and they were roughly even again. We don't know how powerful the Golden Oozaru form is, but the original Oozaru form was stated to be a x10 increase. So lowballing the Golden Oozaru form, we have Baby getting 10 times stronger. Since SS3 Goku was losing against base form Baby, and SS4 Goku was even with Baby x10, then SS4 Goku must be at least 10 times stronger than SS3 Goku. A little bit of speculation involved, but I think it's unreasonable to assume the Golden Oozaru is weaker than the basic Oozaru form. That puts SS4 Goku at at least 7.2 trillion. And as I've stated, that's lowballing in many areas, not taking into account Goku's decades of training. Omega Shenron curbstomps SS4 Goku.
Now back to the Buu saga. There are some statements that can kick this powerscaling into overdrive if you choose to accept them as fact. Note these numbers are about to get flat out retarded. To start off, we're using a character statement. Supreme Kai states in episode 219 that he is 1000 times stronger than Frieza. As you already pointed out, Frieza = 120 million, times 1000 and you have 120 billion. In Kibito's Daizenshuu entry, it says that Kibito could fight evenly with base form Gohan. Now, if you recall, Supreme Kai was repeatedly outmatched by the Saiyans even in base form. He was scared that even working together, they would not be able to beat Pui Pui, yet Vegeta does so easily, a feat that does not impress Goku or Gohan. It's safe to say that Gohan, (and by proxy Kibito) has a power level much higher than 120 billion at that point, in base form. For the sake of being as conservative as possible though, I'll assume Kibito has a power level of exactly 120 billion.
In the Super Exciting Guide, on page 63, it states that fusion via the earrings is in fact multiplication of power levels. That means Kibito Kai has a power level of at least 14.4 sextillion. Kibito Kai, by his own statements, as well as the statements of Old Kai, Goku and Vegeta, was so weak he would have just been in the way if he tried to fight Buu. Even when Vegeta was trying to fight Kid Buu in base form, Old Kai still warned Kibito Kai that he's too weak to help. From this we can conclude that base form Goku and Vegeta > 14.4 sextillion. Why is there such a giant gap in their power between the fight with Kid Buu and the start of the Buu saga? *shrugs* I don't know. The only thing I can think of is zenkai boosts. That, or Gohan was much much weaker than Goku and Vegeta.
Either way, that 14.4 sextillion can still be scaled up to account for transformations, including SS4. That puts SS4 Goku's power level at a staggering 57.6 septillion. Assuming Vegeta is equal to Goku, that puts SS4 Gogeta's power level at 115.2 septillion. And as I've demonstrated, that's lowballing at every point possible, and completely ignoring Goku's 15 years of training after the fight with Kid Buu. One could also argue that based on his fight with Uub, base form GT Goku is at least as strong as SS3 Buu saga Goku, which would multiply the final result by another x400. That's a more debatable point though, so I'm not gonna count it."
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