I said undeniable feats, so you posting Luffy dodging a yellow beam that has zero FTL feats and has been dogged by literal fodders before don't help at all
I said undeniable feats, so you posting Luffy dodging a yellow beam that has zero FTL feats and has been dogged by literal fodders before don't help at all
A beam is has been confirm to be Kizaru's lasers, who is stated to attack at LS Speed, And I'm guessing those fodders are also FTL Lol.
Talking about fodders, Niji a fodders as been confirm to also attack at LS.
When talking about recreating Devil Fruit power Vegapunk states "I tried everything I could think of with Logias, but they all proved too difficult.", so clearly Vegapunk was not succesfull with PX5 meaning those lasers are not LS.
@exauce: Law's submarine dodged Kizaru beam several times and outrun Kuzan ice that blized Dofi who is much faster than base Luffy
FASTER THAN LIGHT SUBMARINE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
We literally see lasers Infront of the sub, behind it, on top of it, and below it, Kizaru just missed Lol. Kuzan did not even try, the man can freeze the sea, yet only choose to put minimum effort in freezing some small body of water.
Kizaru, himself states if they survived all that he'll say they got Lucky, meaning they got lucky, nothing to do with outrunning LS laser with a sub.
@exauce: He's talking about replicating their power. He can give the Sephirm's Paramythia powers without creating a DF through the green blood, the only fruit he can replicate is Zoan, and he can't do anything with Logia.
@exauce: He's talking about replicating their power. He can give the Sephirm's Paramythia powers without creating a DF through the green blood, the only fruit he can replicate is Zoan, and he can't do anything with Logia.
Yea, creating all aspect of a fruit, shooting lasers is one aspect of Kizaru's fruit, this ain't hard to understand, many character in one piece have created lasers from Queen all the way to Germa.
@wk_decaff: He said it "difficult", not impossible, In one his previous statement he says all devil fruit can be re-created with time and money, So it would make sense that he recreate one aspect of a logia instead of the whole thing.
Foxy has Light speed attacks in the form of his Noro Noro Beams which are literally photons...however Luffy dodging these barely post skypeia is a clear outlier
Kizaru is literally a light man and explicitly stated to be LS several times...pretty clear cut
Raid Suits let the user accelerate to Light Speed and some other Germa tech amp the users to LS/FTL stated
Debatable LS Stuff or Debunked Stuff
- Pacifista Lasers are not LS. For one, in the kanji when talking about how they replicate Kizaru's lasers the kanji refers to trying to replicate it's offensive power...not it's speed...also vegapunk in the recent chapters...the guy who invented these dudes...stated he can't replicate logias due to how complex they are thus nulling the LS argument for these robots ENTIRELY.
- Kuma's Air Pads...debatable tbh. Cause depending the on the translation it's either he creates them at LS or shoots them at LS...I am open to being wrong on this one if anyone can clear that up for me
- Enel LS statement is just a joke made by Oda clearly...he's a freaking Lightning Man who in the Manga is hyped up for moving at Lightning speeds...pretty clear cut
Conclusion?
There are plenty of contentions still. Like Kizaru's Light Speed movement is hyped up to allow him to be the fastest admiral in the databooks so it would be weird if Akainu and Aokiji are somehow FTL or FTL+ ( Though Garp and Sengoku probably scale faster so it should be fine for them )
Characters have plenty of low end outliers such as Luffy being unable to catch up to a guy running at 200KM per hr ( verbatim stated ) or being blitzed by sound waves...both of these being in the same arc mind you
Or supposed FTL characters being consistently tagged by bullets from normal muskets
Etc etc
And currently? Kizaru is coming to step up to Luffy in the next few chapters so whatever consistent speed scaling for this OP has left is about to be fighting for it's life
Until that Kizaru battle happens in a few weeks though, personally I would say the only characters for now you can genuinely say are FTL are tippy top tiers such as Garp/Sengoku/Primebeard/Roger/Shanks/Kaido and guys like that ( not everyone and their mothers being that fast like everyone seems to think )
@exauce: Law's submarine dodged Kizaru beam several times and outrun Kuzan ice that blized Dofi who is much faster than base Luffy
FASTER THAN LIGHT SUBMARINE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Wow. And it literally even says "It's going to hit us. Full speed ahead". The submarine literally outspeed Kizaru's "light speed" attacks. Holy shit, you can't make this up lol.
Kuma has light-speed repelling capabilities. That’s more of the LS side. FTL is solidified through Rayleigh who notes he’s gotten slower while keeping up with a LS character.
The less explicit though intentional LS comes from Pacifista/Ichiji.
Germa, Queen, Kizaru, Pacifista, Seraphim, Franky, Foxy, then Kuma, and Oda's Enel statement all have at least lightspeed backing although Kuma and Enel have their shares of criticisms but those can be remedied easily.
As for the easiest FTL feat that should have zero contension that would be Kaido statuing an Act 1 G4 Boundman Luffy as even supernova pretime skip can perceive lightspeed attacks and Act 1 G4 Boundman is quite literally tiers above those pretimeskop characters.
@exauce: Law's submarine dodged Kizaru beam several times and outrun Kuzan ice that blized Dofi who is much faster than base Luffy
FASTER THAN LIGHT SUBMARINE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
Wow. And it literally even says "It's going to hit us. Full speed ahead". The submarine literally outspeed Kizaru's "light speed" attacks. Holy shit, you can't make this up lol.
Then explain the lasers all around them Lol, how are you going to outspeed something that so much faster than you that it already Infront of you, like can't you see what happening?
The lasers have already been confirm by the databook to be LS, like what are you arguing here? Lol.
@wk_decaff: Or He did Lol, we don't even know, y'all bringing conclusion base on one questionable statement and acts as if everything is said and done Lol.
Not to mention making a laser isn't that special in One piece, many other characters have made Lasers Lol.
@exauce: You went in a circle here, bud. I claimed the statements that he copied Kizaru couldn't be trusted because he said he couldn't replicate Logia. You said he could, and your evidence is that he did, but the statement isn't trustworthy.
@wk_decaff: That ain't what you said my boi "When talking about recreating Devil Fruit power Vegapunk states "I tried everything I could think of with Logias, but they all proved too difficult.", so clearly Vegapunk was not succesfull with PX5 meaning those lasers are not LS." You didn't say they shouldn't be trusted, you said the laser were straight up unsuccessful and not LS base on that statement Lol.
What statement isn't trustworthy? Not that I disagree with the claim.
@wk_decaff: The statement comes from X drake an ex-rear admiral of the marine, who instantly recognize that it was Kizaru's laser upon seeing it once, I don't call that untrustworthy.
I said undeniable feats, so you posting Luffy dodging a yellow beam that has zero FTL feats and has been dogged by literal fodders before don't help at all
This is undeniable. That's a FTL laser attack as it was modeled after Kizaru's ability who has light powers. To further cement this not being a fluck here is the strawhats dodging Pacifista's lasers prior to the time skip:
Luffy dodges the initial attack, then all 3 started running around, dodging and were able to close the distance to attack the Pacifista.
This was pre-time skip, then they trained for 2 years, post time skip we get that gif I love and since then we've only seen greater and faster feats.
Even Sanji is constantly dodging laser beams from Queen and this is before he discovered his new abilities and got his power-up.
@wk_decaff: That ain't what you said my boi "When talking about recreating Devil Fruit power Vegapunk states "I tried everything I could think of with Logias, but they all proved too difficult.", so clearly Vegapunk was not succesfull with PX5 meaning those lasers are not LS." You didn't say they shouldn't be trusted, you said the laser were straight up unsuccessful and not LS base on that statement Lol.
What statement isn't trustworthy? Not that I disagree with the claim.
Recreating a fruit that gives someone's superpowers vs replicating someone's ability with advance technology.
You are reaching here, dude. Just to downplay the lore and story.
Oh almost forgot there is another FTL feat In the Ace vs Blackbeard fight where midair during getting pulled by Blackbeard, Ace can react fast enough to attack midair and strike Blackbeard with a pair of fire lances. Mind you Blackbeards power is darkness which holds the aspect of gravity where even light cannot escape his pull yet Ace can while getting pulled react to that and counter
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Anyways that'll be all for now I guess.
OT: Germa, Pasifista, Seraphim, Vegapunk, Franky, Queen, Kizaru, Foxy, Blackbeard and Kuma and Oda's Enel Statment all have LS+ backing behind them while people have been shown to dodge, outspeed, and such against those things.
I mean.. Luffy's gatling gun was already pushing the boundaries of FTL early on the series. I could explain some scaling that'll get you there but instead let's just pick a good one and go with Black Mamba:
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Without even consider all the past opponents he's beaten and out paced from Enel, Blueno, Lucci and so on. The speed he had to go to have his hands in multiples at those lengths and distances, to visually create illusions of his arms and hands in multiple places at once, has to definitely be beyond FTL, easily.
@kajin_style: On the topic of Luffy's attacks being much faster than he is and even creating after images it is shown that with moves like Gatling and even Jet Gatling Luffy is leaving behind dozens of afterimages even in slowmo against his opponents. And Luffy does that against entirely superior opponents with his attacks so his attacks are quite a bit faster than Luffy himself especially in later forms and such.
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