Suicide Squad vs Batman Family

- Squad is consisted of:

1) Bronze Tiger - Pre Flashpoint

2) Black Manta - current

3) Deadshot

4) Harley Quinn

5) Bane - Pre Flashpoint

6) Captain Boomerang - Pre Flashpoint

- Family is consisted of:

1) Batman

2) Nightwing

3) Azrael

4) Cassandra Cain

5) Tim Drake

6) Jason Todd

- Family is Pre Flashpoint, but you can use feats of New 52, both sides have 30 minutes prep, who wins and why?

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Captain Boomerang and Manta tip the scales for Squad.

The SS without too much trouble.

The way i see it, it would something like this:

- Azrael vs Bane - stallemate (we've seen this one before, it's an even battle, and it really depends on the circunstances)

- Batman vs Black Manta - (Black Manta is also very good at prep, and if Batman can't come up with a better plan, he would lose, he's standard gear, plus his regular gadgets, wouldn't be enough here)

- Cassandra Cain vs Bronze Tiger - Cass.

- Nightwing vs Captain Boomerang - Dick takes it

- Jason Todd vs Deadshot - Another death in the family...Deadshot for the win.

- Tim Drake vs Harley Queen - it depends...Red Robin takes it...Robin, loses.

A case could be made for the Bat-Family, feat-wise...but the Suicide Squad should win here.

What if Batman brings armored suit or HellBat? :P

@bat_girl_cc:

Nightwing vs Captain Boomerang - Dick takes it

LOL, I still think Boomerang/Manta/Deadshot would take him out without a lot of effort.

@bigcimmerian: Digger Boomerang BFR's it.

Has Hellbat armor even been used yet?

I'm leaning toward the suicide squad.

What Azrael is it?

No.

Well, Deadshot must prep for Batman, because even in his standard Batsuit batman is completely bullet proof.

Not in fight.

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@bat_girl_cc: @youngjustice:

- Azrael vs Bane - Azrael has beaten Bane with such ease idk where you got that Stalemate from

- Batman vs Black Manta - (This is a close Fight But Batman Win cause Black Manta is Cocky and let not forget Aqauman Villain so we know he won't be that hard also Black Manta just a avg like aqauman with less powers to talk to Animals )

- Cassandra Cain vs Bronze Tiger - Cass.

- Nightwing vs Captain Boomerang - Stalemate For The Fact Captain Boomerang is still a Avg Threats to even Flash but with NightWing Agility he should be able to dodge and he still has batarang that can deflect his boomerangs )

- Jason Todd vs Deadshot - (If You Seen DeadShot vs Jokers that fight was pretty darn close but with Jason vs Jokers he nearly Killed Him with ease Deadshot had Distant Maybe DeadShot but with prep Jason Todd Wins

- Tim Drake vs Harley Queen - Every Has Beaten Harley Before `it like the Bat Family Traditon

Not Saying Bat Family with Ease But Bat Family Wins since SS Prep is just with Amanada Waller

@bigcimmerian: Meh. He's too hardcore on this Damian thing in all honesty.

LOL at this whole post.

hahahhaha I really hope you're joking/trolling.

Squad.

J-j-j-j-j-Squad!

" - Azrael vs Bane - Azrael has beaten Bane with such ease idk where you got that Stalemate from "

How many Azrael vs Bane fights have you read?...just one?...because i only recall Azrael stomping Bane once...and only talking about JPV here, they had at least 3...you should take a look at the others, too...one exemple of they fighting evenly was on Detective Comics #666 - The Devil You Know and it continued on Batman #500 - Dark Angel i don't have the scans here, but @jashro44 posted some on another thread days ago.

" - Batman vs Black Manta - (This is a close Fight But Batman Win cause Black Manta is Cocky and let not forget Aqauman Villain so we know he won't be that hard also Black Manta just a avg like aqauman with less powers to talk to Animals ) "

I actually like Aquaman...besides i refuse to even adress this...i wouldn't even know where to begin with, anyway.

" Cassandra Cain vs Bronze Tiger - Cass "

Agreed.

" - Nightwing vs Captain Boomerang - Stalemate For The Fact Captain Boomerang is still a Avg Threats to even Flash but with NightWing Agility he should be able to dodge and he still has batarang that can deflect his boomerangs ) "

Well, to be fair, i was being a little bias earlier...i just don't like Cap's whole character...but for instances he has limited super-speed...not sure, if it was ever explained how could he do it, but he did it...and his boomerangs are likely going to hit Nightwing...still, i guess that N.W could think about something.

" - Jason Todd vs Deadshot - (If You Seen DeadShot vs Jokers that fight was pretty darn close but with Jason vs Jokers he nearly Killed Him with ease Deadshot had Distant Maybe DeadShot but with prep Jason Todd Wins. "

With 30 minutes of prep?...besides you do know, how Jason gone from Robin to Red Hood right?...deadshot vs Joker? i missed it, or at least, i'm not remembering it right now, when was that?

How do you know if he has distance or not? the OP doesn't say anything about it.

" - Tim Drake vs Harley Queen - Every Has Beaten Harley Before `it like the Bat Family Traditon "

I'm not sure what that means...but New 52 Harley would murder Pre-New-52 Robin (Tim Drake) as easy, as Batman beats thugs.

" Not Saying Bat Family with Ease But Bat Family Wins since SS Prep is just with Amanada Waller. "

Hey, c'mon!... xD

Owen Mercer (the second Cap) had speed force access in small bursts and would use it to make his arms and boomerangs move at nearly unavoidable speeds. The most common feat brought up in regard to this is him hitting a speed blitzing Jay (edit: clone of Jay).

The Joker vs Deadshot thing I think is a reference to the Attack On Arkham movie.

@bat_girl_cc: Deadshot isn't beating Jason unless he is 1,000 feet away

Jason solos

Mostly bat family wins here

@bat_girl_cc:

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I'd like to point these scans took place before JPV was really established as a meta human though....

batfamily ftw

How?

Black Manta

jason one shots everyone but BM, and then black manta kills jason again, and thus causing batman to rage and everyone then jumps black manta like so.

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" Owen Mercer (the second Cap) had speed force access in small bursts and would use it to make his arms and boomerangs move at nearly unavoidable speeds. "

Didn't he lost the abillity to access the speed force at some point, tho?...i remember reading something about that.

" The most common feat brought up in regard to this is him hitting a speed blitzing Jay (edit: clone of Jay). "

Well, Dick Grayson has tagged the Flash, so...xD...(P.S: Nightwing gets stomped, i just don't like Cap, that's all...)

" The Joker vs Deadshot thing I think is a reference to the Attack On Arkham movie. "

Ok, thanks for the info :) i missed it :p

@jashro44:

Yes i know, thanks for the scans! xd

If Deadshot is aware that Jason is coming for him, Jason is going to die again...

But i agree that Jason is more skilled, and could quickly close the distance between them, and take him out, if Floyd isn't far enough.

Yes.

@bat_girl_cc: No problem.

We haven't seen the hellbat armor to my understanding, but if it does what fans are speculating it does I doubt those 3 are winning.

Still speculation. It just irks me that we have no understanding of what it can do, and a straight no, is given. Black Manta has a crap load of Power output, so does Deadshot when he wants to.

Also, quick question for you. Deadshot is a Batman villain, so would it be safe to assume that some of his history is still intact?

@nickthedevil: My understanding is anything deadshot did within a bat-book or a green lantern book (doubt he has appearances in those though) pre new 52 should still be canon.

Well the Hellbat armor was built inside the sun so that's impressive durability already that they shouldn't be able to bypass

So he has some pretty solid pre-52 feats then.

Batfamily all the way

The durability of the suit alone can stop anything Manta,Deadshot and Boomarang has to offer.

I should clarify I said I still think they would win because the Hellbat is featless.

That's like putting the new Girl Thor against Loki just because he fought Guy Thor.

Honestly, all he really has to do is stay still until they run out of juice.

The Hellbat was made inside of the sun.That's a durability feat itself

Didn't know heat was equivalent to striking power, interesting concept.

@youngjustice: The sun isn't just heat