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The Rumbling

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  • L&T Thor, the Bifrost is restricted
  • Thor alone must stop the Rumbling and end it permanently before the Colossal Titans wipe out all of humanity
  • Thor must kill all the Colossal Titans (and put an end to every single one permanently) in 4 days
  • 10 million Colossal Titans
  • The Founder acknowledges/knows that Thor exists and is at the bottom of the ocean(refuses to expose himself)
  • Every single one of the Colossal Titans knows about Thor and is determined to get him out of the way/kill once in sight
  • Colossal Titans of course have regeneration
  • The Colossal Titans can't nuke of course due to already being transformed, but they can create explosions of steam and hot air like this (but they would only do this as a last resort/if they're dangered):
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Round 1: Thor doesn't have any knowledge of these Colossal Titans

Round 2: Thor knows about the nape weaknesses

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So who shall prevail at the end of four days after this epic battle?:

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Storms are very useful against massive armies

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Without the bifrost and with Eren being hidden, MCU Thor most likely won't be able to kill all titans in just 4 days. There is just too many of them.


  • The Founder acknowledges/knows that Thor exists and is at the bottom of the ocean(refuses to expose himself)
  • Every single one of the Colossal Titans knows about Thor and is determined to get him out of the way/kill once in sight
  • The Colossal Titans can't nuke of course due to already being transformed, but they can create explosions of steam and hot air like this (but they would only do this as a last resort/if they're dangered):

Now, OP gave the titans ability to defend themselves, but this doesn't matter. Thor is far too durable to be hurt by their punches, and the colossals have comparatively slow swings so they can't hit him anyway. He can also fly above them with Mjolnir, so they can't even touch him either way.

The problem is sheer fucking numbers of these things. Killing 10 million of them spread across the entire planet would require killing 104,166 titans per hour, or 29 titans per second without stopping. They can form a line 180,000 kilometers long, enough to circle the Earth almost 5 times. And crossing the whole planet while fighting, that's something Thor has never done. Or 180,000 if he kills them quickly one by one by throwing the Stormbreaker at their napes. Thor isn't that fast in combat, even with use of lightning.

Large aoe attacks like this one in IW where he killed a lot of Outriders at once...

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...won't be as effective against wall titans due to spacing difference and resistance to overpressure force from aoe explosions and diffused force in general. In fact, attacks like these would kill only one to three wall titans at a time because all force is concentrated at one point and quickly dissipates with distance traveled, a.k.a lacks psi to destroy the napes further from the epicenter. And such attacks are too slow to kill 29 titans per second because they require charge-up. Killing titans requires high psi force concentrated at the nape, which is why throwing a Mjolnir or Stormbreaker at the napes like this:

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...would be a lot more effective at killing titans if he throws it perpendicular to their formation and lets it cut the napes along the way. The issue is that even this still isn't fast enough to kill 29 titans per second, it doesn't even kill that many outriders per second and they are much smaller and closer together (it would have to cross 522-667 meters per second to do that to wall titans depending on titan width of 13 meters and spacing of 5-10 meters between titans, and Thor never uses it that fast in combat.)

That's another problem, Thor's combat speed isn't good enough for this. While he can travel very quickly by throwing his weapon in the air, he never fights at that rate. Stormbreaker can indeed travel at hypersonic speeds when summoned from around the planet and such, but Thor never fights that fast, and killing that many targets in 4 days requires significantly more speed than he has ever shown.

You're gonna need Captain Marvel to do it in time because she can fly at FTL and she can just go through the titans. Or Strange and Wanda to do some hax spell and punt them into another dimension. Thor ain't that fast.

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iron Man could do this

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Thor nukes

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#10  Edited By rajjarsalt
@xd_ist said:

@ogrewhelmed: alt or no

IIRC Shrek the Ogre is a true user

I say there are better ways Thor can use the Stormbreaker weapon than Outrider clearing

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#11  Edited By death4bunnies  Moderator  Online

@ogrewhelmed:

Naw mate.. Carol isn’t needed… Thor throws SB and it flies around obliterating titans.

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Sorta like…^^

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Also that SB throw in IW you showed was a cut up gif.. he accurately cleared outriders off his allies with a throw from inside the bifrost, you cut that out of your gif, it taking out the outriders on cap and hulkbuster etc.. great accuracy feat.

552 meters per second is nothing to Thors weapon they have exceeded that a lot… SB flies through the lot of them… then add in Thor himself.. tornados and lightning.. this is a spite match against AOT… Thor solos the verse.

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Thor should solo

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@xd_ist:

That is not planet-busting attack. Forget using the script here, it usually clashes with the on screen feats. You can see how thin that surface actually is. He shattered a relatively thin ice shelf that was already unstable and caused a chain reaction to collapse, as seen in the scan you posted. the crust of the ice shelf was hollow and thin. We saw Asgardians outrunning this crack. That's not "planet blowing up attack, it's a large aoe shockwave that destroyed a relatively thin planet crust, made of ice or stone that is very vulnerable to pressure waves, unlike living beings made of flesh. That won't kill many titans far from the epicenter. Also, even if he can destroy a planet, doing a planet-busting attack kinda goes against his goal of saving humanity from the Rumbling and completes Eren's job for him.

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@ogrewhelmed: alt or no

I say there are better ways Thor can use the Stormbreaker weapon than Outrider clearing

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Yup, that's good, but still wouldn't be fast enough. The part where he blows up the dropship still takes 5 seconds for a cca 200m ship. And those explosions are too small to kill more than one titan per hit, so if he did that same attack over and over, he'd be killing 5 titans per second at most. The other one is also not sufficient, it made an explosion in the center, with the rest being shockwave across the very tiny moon. Again, not something that will kill titans beyond the epicenter.

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Also that SB throw in IW you showed was a cut up gif.. he accurately cleared outriders off his allies with a throw from inside the bifrost, you cut that out of your gif, it taking out the outriders on cap and hulkbuster etc.. great accuracy feat.

552 meters per second is nothing to Thors weapon they have exceeded that a lot… SB flies through the lot of them… then add in Thor himself.. tornados and lightning.. this is a spite match against AOT… Thor solos the verse.

In Wakanda, he throws the SB after he arrives via bifrost. Yes, it's accurate, but it's not 552 m/s fast and neither is the one in your gif. Also, travel speed =/= combat speed. When does Thor use a hammer toss that fast in combat against anyone? Would've been really useful in every fight he had been in. Even when he throws it at Thanos it isn't nearly that fast.

Btw, tornados wouldn't be useful against titans, you need highly concentrated force, not large scale attacks that dissipate force over their entire bodies with low psi. Strong winds would at best just knock them on their asses.

Now that I've watched more clips, there is something close... the lightning bolt he uses against Chitauri from the Chrysler Building in 2012 Avengers. That might be able to kill more titans, but only if he can keep it doing for 4 days straight, which is...questionable, since we never see him do any high energy attack for such long periods of time.

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@ogrewhelmed:

Tornado’s be useful to gather them for a lightning.. iirc titans weigh less than you’d think.

Ofc travel speed in this case counts as combat.. as that’s how fast the weapons fly.. and weapons flying into things is the plan… I think we both know I can show the weapons break the sound barrier dozens of times so I’ll hold off on gifs unless you need.

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Tornado’s be useful to gather them for a lightning.. iirc titans weigh less than you’d think.

They aren't that light. Wall titans would weigh over 1000 tons, and while tornado would be useful for a storm, the wind itself wouldn't be able to kill them.


Ofc travel speed in this case counts as combat.. as that’s how fast the weapons fly.. and weapons flying into things is the plan… I think we both know I can show the weapons break the sound barrier dozens of times so I’ll hold off on gifs unless you need.

Yes, cool, but it's him retrieving the hammer. How fast does it actually move when Thor fights with it? Talking purely about Stormbreaker's retrieval function, not how fast it's thrown or used in combat. It does seem to show up in his hand quickly no matter how far it is. How Thor fights with it consistently-that's the kill rate titans will have to contend with. So yes, travel speed and combat speed are still relevant here.

Unlike Captain Marvel, where hypersonic travel speed actually does matter for combat because she can plow into titans that fast, and she does use it that way in combat, as part of her fighting style i.e. crashing through Sanctuary II and Kree fleet.

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Thor nukes.

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Even Jane Foster Thor circled the planet twice while carefully looking for kids in less than an hour. Stormbreaker went from Norway to New York in like two seconds and Mjolnir has the Dark World feats. Thor is blitzing them all in like 5 minutes top (if he doesn't one-shot the majority, or all of them with like a Sokovia, Jotunheim, Asgard AoE first).

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#18  Edited By rajjarsalt

@ogrewhelmed: It's moreo the toughness of those ships that elevates Thor's feat.

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It's rather that Thor using hammer recall as a means to kill is viable combat strategy. He used this in previous films too.

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#19  Edited By rajjarsalt
@ogrewhelmed said:

Unlike Captain Marvel, where hypersonic travel speed actually does matter for combat because she can plow into titans that fast, and she does use it that way in combat, as part of her fighting style i.e. crashing through Sanctuary II and Kree fleet.

Going through ships is one thing, going through living opponents on the other hand...

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@death4bunnies said:

@ogrewhelmed:

Tornado’s be useful to gather them for a lightning.. iirc titans weigh less than you’d think.

They aren't that light. Wall titans would weigh over 1000 tons, and while tornado would be useful for a storm, the wind itself wouldn't be able to kill them.

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Ofc travel speed in this case counts as combat.. as that’s how fast the weapons fly.. and weapons flying into things is the plan… I think we both know I can show the weapons break the sound barrier dozens of times so I’ll hold off on gifs unless you need.

Yes, cool, but it's him retrieving the hammer. How fast does it actually move when Thor fights with it? Talking purely about Stormbreaker's retrieval function, not how fast it's thrown or used in combat. It does seem to show up in his hand quickly no matter how far it is. How Thor fights with it consistently-that's the kill rate titans will have to contend with. So yes, travel speed and combat speed are still relevant here.

Unlike Captain Marvel, where hypersonic travel speed actually does matter for combat because she can plow into titans that fast, and she does use it that way in combat, as part of her fighting style i.e. crashing through Sanctuary II and Kree fleet.

Show me where they weigh 1000 tons???? I watched AOT and they specifically say they are way lighter than their size would suggest ..(I’ll edit in the scan)

Prove your 1000 tons claim please.

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What do you mean? Not only did we just discuss him throwing it through outriders, and it acting on its own to bust Surtars demons… showing he does this in combat.. but then we have a ton of other showing when he uses this exact move.

’throwing his weapon through armies of opponents’

-Thor 1 he throws his weapon through frost giants, and upon retrieval bust more.
Thor 2 he throws his hammer through a bunch of aliens if spartualphirm or whatever.

A1 he throws his hammer, A2 he throws his hammer.. every time he fights armies throwing his weapon threw them is a go too. .. in IW in LT etc etc.

The idea that when a massive army of fodder (and that’s what they are to these god weapons, fodder) start marching over the world he wouldn’t throw his hammer through them seems pretty sus tbh… that’s ofc what he will do.

And as explained they have plenty of feats to do so with extreme speed… shown a bunch of times.. ofc the speed is best shown when flying long distances.. but quicksilver saw it move faster than he sees bullets(which already beats your calc saying it needs to move 500-600 meters a second to kill them all) let alone things like Jane throwing it into space and thor retrieving it, or taking out the frost beast with the bullrush from distance.

Or Jane (with Thors power) searching the whole world for a cage full of kids in a night, how can you think they can move that fast in a night but not bust a line of fodders in 4 days?

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1 AOE vapes them

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#22  Edited By Agmine570

Of course, I'm not arguing that Rumbling wins here, but how in the world does a Colossal Titan weights less than 1,000 tons lmfao. Yes, titans must be lighter than they seem but a single story of the average building weights 250 tons, and a Colossal Titan is 20 stories tall. The fact that they easily weight over 1,000 tons is especially supported when Eren wasn't able to do anything notable to Bertholdt except stop a casual stride using all his might, and that same Eren lifted a boulder that easily weights over 3,000 tons (and that same said boulder also got a buff in the anime, (not really relying on this one, but there's an accepted calc of it that the result = 18,000 tons)).

Edit: Also, it's not even accurately explained whether they're light in general, or only their cut out limbs/their corpses. Also mass is internally broken down or dissolved once they die. When they're alive, it does not at all seems like Isayama intended the titans to be light when a pure titan walking is shown to be shaking the ground.

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@xd_ist: Did he do this in the movies tho

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@rajjarsalt: But isnt there instances where the hammer recall travels at a lot slowerd speed?

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@rajjarsalt: But isnt there instances where the hammer recall travels at a lot slowerd speed?

It slows down as it approaches Thor or sth

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@rajjarsalt: I recall when he starts to call his hammer (the distance wasnt as great too) it was still nowhere the speed shown in the gif

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Honestly Ogre got a point. His best bet is trying to do what Raj suggested and have stormbreaker zip around and cut all of them across the nape. If he does that, he could do it, but he's never rlly done smth like that before, so there's little reason to believe he would do it here.

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@xd_ist: He creates an AOE thats like the size of a city block?

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@xd_ist: It's legit like building sized moon lmao.

Sokovia's alright ig, if we ignore all the other context. What abt Jotunheim? He did nothing noteworthy there.

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#36  Edited By XD_ist

@great_darkness: "Building level moon" smh...

Context is Thor destroying it, end of story. As for Jotunheim he literally shook the planet

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Honestly Ogre got a point. His best bet is trying to do what Raj suggested and have stormbreaker zip around and cut all of them across the nape. If he does that, he could do it, but he's never rlly done smth like that before, so there's little reason to believe he would do it here.

Are the Titans really that tough that Thor has to target weak points via nape shots? Mjolnir or Stormbreaker should pulverize through them.

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@muhdsyarif said:

@rajjarsalt: I recall when he starts to call his hammer (the distance wasnt as great too) it was still nowhere the speed shown in the gif

You talking about when Odin judged him worthy? Mjolnir flew more than 80 km in like 20 seconds, and it broke the sound barrier near halftime. It is ten times the suggested speed needed to kill Titans en masse within the thread's time limits.

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@xd_ist: Thor didn't destroy it tho? lol. Actually coping rn, that moon was visibly small.

a) That blow did absolutely no damage to any of the people on the planet. So it's practically useless if he wants to kill the titans.
b) Why does a novelization matter when we don't actually see it shake on screen or anything like that.

c) Sokovia's a good example of his striking not having any actual DC. He needs the vibranium spire to take his energy and actually spread it to destroy a roughly 2km wide landmass, because otherwise he would only crack it cuz the potency fades further away from him.

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@rajjarsalt: He has to put them down permanently according to OP. If he just cuts off their head or makes a hole in them, they'll just regenerate.

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@great_darkness: He wiped it and the blast went around the entire moon.... obviously on screen it'll look smaller than it really is.

0 Damage??? What??? Did we read the same scan??? And yes, the novelization is an accurate portrayal of what happens in the film

Thor had DOOMED them all
Thor had DOOMED them all

3MB for gifs is so annoying.....
3MB for gifs is so annoying.....

He literally destroyed sokovia what are you on about

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@rajjarsalt:

There is a human in the nape of the titans.

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Must kill human inside to keep them down.

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@xd_ist said:

@great_darkness: He wiped it and the blast went around the entire moon.... obviously on screen it'll look smaller than it really is.

But the moon itself when we see shots that show it's size is pretty small.

0 Damage??? What??? Did we read the same scan??? And yes, the novelization is an accurate portrayal of what happens in the film

Bro work on your reading comprehension man smh or watch the movie. He was clearly alive after Thor's blow. The reason why they were doomed was the ice floor cracked and they were gonna fall into the cavern below. If the rumbling is on Earth, there is no massive hole beneath the ground that's going to collapse. And even then, that's not a permanent incap, since he would have to kill their napes.

Thor had DOOMED them all
Thor had DOOMED them all
3MB for gifs is so annoying.....
3MB for gifs is so annoying.....

He literally destroyed sokovia what are you on about

He did, but did u just not read what I said? He did it with the help of the vibranium spire. The vibranium spire spread the energy so that he could actually destroy it, cuz otherwise it would only crack according to him iirc.

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#44  Edited By XD_ist

Actually now that I think about it, the Jotunheim battle is a pretty good example on what Thor would do here

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@xd_ist: lmao how?? The ground is only a few meters thick and the ground is all going to collapse if Thor just smacks the ground?

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#46  Edited By rajjarsalt
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@rajjarsalt:

There is a human in the nape of the titans.

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Must kill human inside to keep them down.

Ah, I understand now. Well, Stormbreaker was pretty precise on saving Black Panther, Hulkbuster, and Cap from getting swarmed. And it is established that they are sentient weapons so Thor could just whisper to the hammer to target the humans in the Titans. If not that, the electrical shock coming off these weapons would definitely kill the humans.

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Anyway the Mjolnir speed is a two for one, here's the other

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@rajjarsalt: eh, i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's probably fast enough, but let's be honest, would Thor rlly choose to do that for more than a short time. Like look at IW, he did that for a couple seconds, then started doing melee w the outriders.

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