Ikaris vs Vulcan

Ikaris

VS

Vulcan

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Callouts:

Chocolate chip cookie for your thoughts on this battle?

Imo I don't think vulcan can physically hurt him but he does have hax. Imo it's close.

Vulcan likely messes with his internal energy source and burns him from the inside like he did with Neutron and Titan.

pretty sure Vulkan Decisively wins.

Vulcan IMO.

you dont need consistent showings to beat ikaris of all people to begain with

Vulcan.

@psi-bite234: Not sure what you mean. What exactly comes off as "inconsistent"?

@professorrespect: Like Vulcan only has a hand full of feats and probably all of them are on different levels. You see where I am coming from considering on Comic vine a character always has lowballs, consistent, High end feats and Vulcan feats are all over the place. He's just like Rachel Summers because they have a small amount of feats people tend to use his high ends as his consistent level.

@professorrespect: Here's a few examples

I'm not sure what this actually means. Vulcan's stats are fairly consistent barring contextualised powers and events. Could you give some actual examples?

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Tanks a space ship exploding (This is honestly a low-level feat considering how comic vine hypes him up)

Tanks a blast form Black Bolt (This is honestly his best Durability feats imo)

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Gets two shotted by Gladiator

Now he's also been knocked out by Polaris (A solid Mid-Tier) and got his ass beat by Adam Warlock after being weakened by Vulcan draining his energy. As you can see all of these feats aren't on the same level.

@psi-bite234: Not sure what's the argument here. Bolt smacking him around is consistent with his kinda weak physical stats, and being defeated by Gladiator when he really didn't know his powers that well is also a weak point, as he would progressively get better over time. If you'd read the stories, you'd know that he doesn't work well against pure bricks.

I don't really care about the Polaris reference considering he's already one shot her when she was amped. You'd have a excuse there to say that's inconsistent, but in general? Not really.

@professorrespect:

Not sure what's the argument here. Bolt smacking him around is consistent with his kinda weak physical stats, and being defeated by Gladiator when he really didn't know his powers that well is also a weak point, as he would progressively get better over time. If you'd read the stories, you'd know that he doesn't work well against pure bricks.

Would not knowing his powers really well really affect his durability? The reason I stated he was overrated was because I have seen people on comic vine stating that he can beat Captain Marvel, She Hulk and Iron man with only his physical feats.

I don't really care about the Polaris reference considering he's already one shot her when she was amped. You'd have a excuse there to say that's inconsistent, but in general? Not really

Kinda agree lol

Bump

Since Vulcan is back to being alive

Ikaris

Feats for Vulcan?

I'll debate for Ikaris

Vulcan!

Read le RT

Impressive. Nice RT!

Energy absorption might be a problem for Ikaris, but Ike can likewise manipulate cosmic energy.

I'll chime back in if I can find the motivation to research Vulcans weaknesses and context to battles he both won and lost.

High end feats are great, but low end feats and weaknesses can still be exploited if exposed!

@cosmic_reign: There's not much "low end" feats considering he's been in like 20 issues, and half of them were him inexperienced and barely understanding his powers.

This guy is not half bad.

@professorrespect: why did psibite deactivate?

Current ikaris was fighting thanos, I think he can physically overpower gabe.

Idk. Apparently Psi-Bite does this every few months.

Vulcan stomps

Ikaris was overpowered by Black Bolt. Vulcan, iirc, was beating the tar out of Black Bolt. Ikaris can win if he abuses mind control (something he never does in a fight) and is likely going to accidentally amp Vulcan with his energy blasts. So I'd say Vulcan beats him for majority.

Vulcan.

Vulcan.

Ikaris stomps

Ikaris wins to superior strength since they have relative speed. They both have the ability to absorb energy so it would be a complete fallacy to say that Vulcan absorbs Ikaris.

No it wouldn't. Vulcan is far superior to Icaris in terms of energy manipulation.

Vulcan stomps

I'm leaning toward the third Summers brother.

@boutatakeanl: My argument is not based on energy manipulation I am just stating that they have the same ability to do so.

Not the same potency, which is a obviously different concept as Bouta already mentioned. Not sure what the "fallacy" is supposed to be there.

This. The fact that they're both energy manipulators holds very little ground considering how much more potent/superior Vulkan is.

Might lean Vulcan in the long run, if ikaris don't put him down quick enough.

@professorrespect: The definition of the word fallacy is something that it is untrue, false, or a mistaken belief.

None of those apply true here so the usage is wrong etc, unless the idea of them both being energy manipulators channel each other out was true

Everyone knows that two energy manipulators cancel each other out, i.e Electro could resist being drained by the Living Tribunal if they fought

Which can be balanced out IF Ikaris is physically stronger, Faster and more Durable...

True, they do have the same powers

This HAS to be the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in all my time on the vine. That is entirely not how it works. They can have the potential to cancel each other out if they have a very similar level of potency or one party has a direct resistance to the other's power, and potency is still a factor there. In this case, it doesn't matter if Ikaris is an Energy Manipulator because Vulcan is just far more powerful at it than he is. Ikaris isn't going to somehow resist being drained. He may put up a fight, but he'll get overpowered very quickly.