claw of horus?
Hawkman VS Thing
Hawkman hit's pretty hard. He's got the advantage here of maintaining a safe distance via flight because his current Nth metal mace returns to him like Mjolnir when he throws it.
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He can also take hits that knock him out of the sky and smash people out of the sky. Both examples crater the ground.
If we allow his strange ability to summon past lives he can also create an army but I think we should take that with a grain of salt. If we allow it this is what happens.
Including...
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...a New God, the Dragon of Barbatos, and a Kryptonian.
It's a fairly recent ability and is likely restricted to circumstances.
@pastepotpete1:That only works if we treat this like an arm wrestling match. It's also not Hawkman's strength that matters so much as the way Nth metal amplifies his strikes. That shockwave I posted earlier was just to blow the attacking trees away.
This is just to give a bit of the hierarchy of special metals in the DC verse as given in the Metal series.
- 7th metal is used in what are considers some of the world's most powerful artifacts like Fate's helmet, Aquaman's trident, and Wonder Woman's bracelets of submission (as shown in Metal).
- 8th metal is the god weapons metal and used in things like Poseidon's trident, Apollo's sun blade, and Wonder Woman's invisible jet.
- Nth metal (9th metal) is the next step and it does things like defy the laws of physics and manipulate energy. This with what Hawkman and Hawkgirl use.
- Element X (10th metal) is what Motherboxes use. It alters reality and rewrote the universe at the end of the Metal event when Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Hal Jordan, and Aquaman combined their wills to manipulate it. Examples include Atlantis rising and the creation of the Dark Pantheon.
Nth metal is extremely potent as a material as the step between what the ancient gods created and Motherboxes. That's why it's so effective in striking (among other thing). That leads into the current Hawkman, who's origin story was retconned to predate Prince Khufu.
There's a lot more to him than people realize. Ktar Deathbringer was the original who made a deal to reincarnate until the lives he's saved exceeds the lives he's cost. The Deathbringers are apocalyptic when they arrive and have destroyed countless civilizations and planets.
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That's the kind of villain Hawkman deals with these days. He's also got his life in the Dark Forge adding to his heritage.
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Nth metal allows him to face and survive Mandrakk, the Monitor of the Dark Universe, who Cosmic Armor Superman struggled with. To be fair, Neon (a reality warper) does most of the work but we can see some physical altercation and using the mace to block energy blasts from a such a powerful being. It should also be noted that Neon specifically cannot affect Nth metal, showing how powerful this metal is.
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Synn in a Thanagarian god who consumes souls and put that casually put that dragon together. Synn easily took Firebrand's soul and Neon went in after her but he needed to fight Hawkman, hence the dragon. Hawkman easily survived being eaten by a dragon and Synn is another example of the level of opponents current Hawkman has been facing.
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Neon defeated Synn by freeing the souls he had consumed while rescuing Firebrand. Hawkman is capable of grounding out that amount of soul energy for a while, and when we see how much power that actually was it's enough to rupture a hole in reality.
If it's not clear, I'm demonstrating that Hawkman's Nth metal mace is extremely powerful and capable of hurting Thing.
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Giant stone magical golems that casually destroy stone temples are getting into the lower end of current Hawkman's foes. Nth metal is traditionally effective against magic and Hawkman one-shots with a strike to the 3rd eye. The reason I chose to add these is for the quote in the middle image.
To bad for you, only one of us has wings? Carter Hall
That's a bit of a drawback for Ben.
As I said above, my earlier image of the shockwave was not Hawkman's attacking blow. He was literally just knocking the attacking forest away. After that things got hairier.
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That's the size of the trees when that forest started attacking. The shockwave was a lot bigger than I gave in my scan because of he scan rule but it was a solid blow. What it did was make Moz-Ga angry.
Which led to Hawkman attacking a living wizard planet. Again, level of opponent.
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That's some more size comparison and Hawkman demonstrating the intent to hit harder than the shockwave image earlier. The size comparison is important because of the crater Hawkman makes.
Ray Palmer and those earth monsters in giant, that forest is gone, and not only is the pit so big we cannot see Hawkman, we cannot see the Thanagarian space ship yet that he was after. Hawkman fought through the planet and got to the ship.
And tanked gravity manipulation that was about to destroy the Thanagarian ship. You can also see the crater again from a birds eye view up in the sky.
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The mace is more than a striking tool, as shown in the massive energy manipulation earlier. One of it's properties is it responds to Hawkman's summons and will return to him, much like Thor's hammer. These images also show that Hawkman can fight armies to nothing over the course of hours with no ill effects. The first two images are facing Idamm, the immortal alien leader of the Deathbringers who replaced Ktar Deathbringer.
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He started as one man fighting armies, but these ones eventually overwhelmed him and that was when he summoned his past lives as an army of Hawkmen. All of the Deathbringers are immortal and killing them was problematic.
When killing Idamm was an issue (Hawkman did impale and drop him at one point but it didn't take cuz immortal) he chose to break his spirit and reclaim leadership of the Deathbringers. I bring this up because he's intelligent, tactical, and comes up with solutions to his problems.
The broken spine didn't take either. Immortal. The point of the image is because an immortal warlord who spent all that time destroying countless civilizations and planets stated Carter Hall's countless lives may have made him the strongest warrior he's ever met. That's an accolade that puts him among the best in the universe. But of course statements. It's just clear he's got a lot going for him in that department.
However, it's interesting to know how much experience that really brings.
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Carter Hall's past lives were stated to be quantum by Ray Palmer. They include all time and space, and at least a couple examples that include the microverse and dark universe. The psychic energy from reabsorbing all of his memories was enough to crater the ground around him.
The reason I chose to respond to you was because your post seemed a bit too dismissive to me, and I thought perhaps I could give reason not to be so dismissive. Like I said earlier, strength isn't everything. Speed, skill, tactical ability, and offensive power compared to defensive power all contribute.
I'll repeat myself: this isn't an arm wrestling match. Current Hawkman's typical opponents so far have been gods and immortals, and his Nth metal has seen him through that. I'm inclined to go with the guy who fights planets because Hawkman has the weaponry and striking power to hit Ben from a distance throwing his mace. He has the flight speed and agility to avoid hurled objects, and he has the durability to tank a thunderclap.
@ashrym said:
I posted Hawkman fighting characters above Ben's paygrade, which is pretty much everyone this version of Hawkman has fought, tbh. He doesn't have enough appearances yet to get lowballed. His only other battle is Shadow-Thief, who was amped by Apex-Lex.
People are entitled to their opinions, and I'm sticking with the Moz-Ga example for physicals to deal with Ben. Forest blasting strikes and town sized craters are enough to demonstrate the striking power to hurt Thing. When Ben learns to fly he might do better against Mjolnir-light. ;-)
EDIT: to be clear, someone who Cosmic Armor Superman struggled with did not one-shot Hawkman at this point. Some y'all be dreamin' :-D
Whatever you say, pal.
@ashrym said:
@pastepotpete1:That only works if we treat this like an arm wrestling match. It's also not Hawkman's strength that matters so much as the way Nth metal amplifies his strikes. That shockwave I posted earlier was just to blow the attacking trees away.
This is just to give a bit of the hierarchy of special metals in the DC verse as given in the Metal series.
- 7th metal is used in what are considers some of the world's most powerful artifacts like Fate's helmet, Aquaman's trident, and Wonder Woman's bracelets of submission (as shown in Metal).
- 8th metal is the god weapons metal and used in things like Poseidon's trident, Apollo's sun blade, and Wonder Woman's invisible jet.
- Nth metal (9th metal) is the next step and it does things like defy the laws of physics and manipulate energy. This with what Hawkman and Hawkgirl use.
- Element X (10th metal) is what Motherboxes use. It alters reality and rewrote the universe at the end of the Metal event when Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Hal Jordan, and Aquaman combined their wills to manipulate it. Examples include Atlantis rising and the creation of the Dark Pantheon.
Nth metal is extremely potent as a material as the step between what the ancient gods created and Motherboxes. That's why it's so effective in striking (among other thing). That leads into the current Hawkman, who's origin story was retconned to predate Prince Khufu.
There's a lot more to him than people realize. Ktar Deathbringer was the original who made a deal to reincarnate until the lives he's saved exceeds the lives he's cost. The Deathbringers are apocalyptic when they arrive and have destroyed countless civilizations and planets.
Gallery
That's the kind of villain Hawkman deals with these days. He's also got his life in the Dark Forge adding to his heritage.
Gallery
Nth metal allows him to face and survive Mandrakk, the Monitor of the Dark Universe, who Cosmic Armor Superman struggled with. To be fair, Neon (a reality warper) does most of the work but we can see some physical altercation and using the mace to block energy blasts from a such a powerful being. It should also be noted that Neon specifically cannot affect Nth metal, showing how powerful this metal is.
Gallery
Synn in a Thanagarian god who consumes souls and put that casually put that dragon together. Synn easily took Firebrand's soul and Neon went in after her but he needed to fight Hawkman, hence the dragon. Hawkman easily survived being eaten by a dragon and Synn is another example of the level of opponents current Hawkman has been facing.
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Neon defeated Synn by freeing the souls he had consumed while rescuing Firebrand. Hawkman is capable of grounding out that amount of soul energy for a while, and when we see how much power that actually was it's enough to rupture a hole in reality.
If it's not clear, I'm demonstrating that Hawkman's Nth metal mace is extremely powerful and capable of hurting Thing.
Gallery
Giant stone magical golems that casually destroy stone temples are getting into the lower end of current Hawkman's foes. Nth metal is traditionally effective against magic and Hawkman one-shots with a strike to the 3rd eye. The reason I chose to add these is for the quote in the middle image.
To bad for you, only one of us has wings? Carter Hall
That's a bit of a drawback for Ben.
As I said above, my earlier image of the shockwave was not Hawkman's attacking blow. He was literally just knocking the attacking forest away. After that things got hairier.
Gallery
That's the size of the trees when that forest started attacking. The shockwave was a lot bigger than I gave in my scan because of he scan rule but it was a solid blow. What it did was make Moz-Ga angry.
Which led to Hawkman attacking a living wizard planet. Again, level of opponent.
Gallery
That's some more size comparison and Hawkman demonstrating the intent to hit harder than the shockwave image earlier. The size comparison is important because of the crater Hawkman makes.
Ray Palmer and those earth monsters in giant, that forest is gone, and not only is the pit so big we cannot see Hawkman, we cannot see the Thanagarian space ship yet that he was after. Hawkman fought through the planet and got to the ship.
And tanked gravity manipulation that was about to destroy the Thanagarian ship. You can also see the crater again from a birds eye view up in the sky.
Gallery
The mace is more than a striking tool, as shown in the massive energy manipulation earlier. One of it's properties is it responds to Hawkman's summons and will return to him, much like Thor's hammer. These images also show that Hawkman can fight armies to nothing over the course of hours with no ill effects. The first two images are facing Idamm, the immortal alien leader of the Deathbringers who replaced Ktar Deathbringer.
Gallery
He started as one man fighting armies, but these ones eventually overwhelmed him and that was when he summoned his past lives as an army of Hawkmen. All of the Deathbringers are immortal and killing them was problematic.
When killing Idamm was an issue (Hawkman did impale and drop him at one point but it didn't take cuz immortal) he chose to break his spirit and reclaim leadership of the Deathbringers. I bring this up because he's intelligent, tactical, and comes up with solutions to his problems.
The broken spine didn't take either. Immortal. The point of the image is because an immortal warlord who spent all that time destroying countless civilizations and planets stated Carter Hall's countless lives may have made him the strongest warrior he's ever met. That's an accolade that puts him among the best in the universe. But of course statements. It's just clear he's got a lot going for him in that department.
However, it's interesting to know how much experience that really brings.
Gallery
Carter Hall's past lives were stated to be quantum by Ray Palmer. They include all time and space, and at least a couple examples that include the microverse and dark universe. The psychic energy from reabsorbing all of his memories was enough to crater the ground around him.
The reason I chose to respond to you was because your post seemed a bit too dismissive to me, and I thought perhaps I could give reason not to be so dismissive. Like I said earlier, strength isn't everything. Speed, skill, tactical ability, and offensive power compared to defensive power all contribute.
I'll repeat myself: this isn't an arm wrestling match. Current Hawkman's typical opponents so far have been gods and immortals, and his Nth metal has seen him through that. I'm inclined to go with the guy who fights planets because Hawkman has the weaponry and striking power to hit Ben from a distance throwing his mace. He has the flight speed and agility to avoid hurled objects, and he has the durability to tank a thunderclap.
thing has gone toe to toe with the Hulk he has beaten different versions of the Hulk
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