VS
Who do you think will win!
My vote. Raven all the way.
Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic.
Raven wins.
Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body.
Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope.
Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
Yes, or Emma could just shut down half of Ravens brain so when she walks it looks like she's chasing her own tail.
Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
Yes, or Emma could just shut down half of Ravens brain so when she walks it looks like she's chasing her own tail.
Elemental says:
"Raven can beat Emma."
It's possible but highly unlikely. Emma doesn't take chances, it's not unlike her to be inside her opponents head before they know it.
Colt Python says:
"Elemental says:"Colt Python says:"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "IT'S THE SAME THING!!!
anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win."
It's not the same. A telekinetic can move things with there minds (Hellion, Jean Gray) but a telepathic can only read/control people's minds ( and a whole lot more but i don't feel like writing it) examples would be Jean Gray (she's both), Prof X, Emma Frost
From what I've seen in both Cartoon and Comic fashion my bets are still on Emma Frost as well, I mean even if things get rough, she can turn into Diamond, and she is a force to be reckoned with in a mind battle. Though Raven for her age and experience can hold her own, I dont think it will be enough for the more experienced Emma Frost.
Okay, people. DO you know what goes on in Raven's mind. Do you know what is in it? Her connection with her dark side is still there even though it hasn't been touched upon. But still, Raven has special defenses against telepathy. Her Soul-self. What happened to Raven teleporting Emma to New Azarath and leaving her there.
If you people still won't budge. Let's go with this.
The classic Raven not the teenaged Raven against Emma. Remember classic Raven still had that evil side. So what now. Would Raven from the 80s beat Emma?
Emma's one of the most powerful telepaths in the world. She'd lobotomize Raven with an idle thought.
I'd say she's third or forth on the all time most powerful telepath list.
Xavier (when he's got em)
Jean Grey
Cassandra Nova
Emma Frost
Colt Python says:
"Elemental says:"Colt Python says:IT'S THE SAME THING!!! anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win.""Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
It's definitely not the same thing... telekenisis is the ability to move stuff with your mind, in comics usually can create concussive forces etc. Telepathy is the ability to read peoples minds, in comics usually harm them or control them, or even mindwipe them.
She also has a great understanding of her abilities, which lets her defeat opponents with more raw mental power. Like Xavier, she has finesse as well as mental muscle. Plus she can dish out one hell of a beating in diamond form.
And yes, that's just in the Marvel Universe, I have no idea how MM stacks up.
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She's badass, plain an simple. That was one of the greatest moves by Marvel, bringing her in as an X-Men.
To quote Storm: "By itself, the piece of straw is nothing. But thrown by my winds, it can punch through brick. Imagine the possibilities if I throw a Steel Spear? Diamonds are incredibly hard, but not unbreakable. They can be cut, they can be carved, and if you find the proper stress point and apply sufficient force, they can be shattered." Raven is a pretty scary opponent. And her telekenisis is really good. Problem is, I've seen Emma go up against uberpowerful opponents with her telepathy and do some serious damage. Heck, she even beat Rachel Grey once. I think Emma's telepathy is comparable to Xavier's. With that said, I'm kinda leaning towards Emma. The things that woman can do with her psychic abilities really surprise me sometimes.
Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:In diamond form, she has absolutely no emotion. Without diamond, she has mental powers that rival the best of them. Power is one thing, but even if you're uberpowerful, you can still get your butt handed to you. Emma's skill is a powerful force to be reckoned with."Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
Colt Python says:
"Dormammu says:"Colt Python says:"Elemental says:It's definitely not the same thing... telekenisis is the ability to move stuff with your mind, in comics usually can create concussive forces etc. Telepathy is the ability to read peoples minds, in comics usually harm them or control them, or even mindwipe them. ""Colt Python says:IT'S THE SAME THING!!! anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win.""Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "wow way to be all technical about it."
You should try to be at least as technical.
Elemental says:
"So are you guys saying that a Raven possessed by Trigon would lose to Emma. There is no denying, Emma is good. But..."If Raven possessed by Trigon can be used, then Emma using Cerebra, the older, stronger sister of Cerebro, can be used as well.
Colt Python says:
"Elemental says:I still have to give my vote to White Queen. Her psychic skills are just too much in my opinion. And while she has been overcome, it has been by people who have dealt with her before, thus, more experience. But even with that, Emma has had major comebacks. She's just so skilled that I can't really imagine her losing. I mean, her expertise is such, that she can peroform "PSYCHIC SURGERY" for cryin out loud."Okay, people. DO you know what goes on in Raven's mind. Do you know what is in it? Her connection with her dark side is still there even though it hasn't been touched upon. But still, Raven has special defenses against telepathy. Her Soul-self. What happened to Raven teleporting Emma to New Azarath and leaving her there. If you people still won't budge. Let's go with this. The classic Raven not the teenaged Raven against Emma. Remember classic Raven still had that evil side. So what now. Would Raven from the 80s beat Emma?"Raven from no era would beat Emma."
White Mage says:
"Elemental says:"Colt Python says:In diamond form, she has absolutely no emotion. Without diamond, she has mental powers that rival the best of them. Power is one thing, but even if you're uberpowerful, you can still get your butt handed to you. Emma's skill is a powerful force to be reckoned with. ""Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
She does have emotion in diamond form. She was crying when Scott was very injured in Astonishing X-Men #22. Raven, reborn, can now project emotion and use emotion as an offensive weapon. Raven's demonic connections are back. Raven can absorb Emma into her soul-self and send her someone not nice and pretty. Emma had major issues back when she was a teenager and young woman. Raven can pull that out and make Emma relive her nightmares from a outside POV like Jean did in New X-Men #139. But maybe I'm wrong. Emma has a good chance of winning but has never faced the devil's daughter or demon empowered people before.
Raven curbstomp.
Diamond form? Raven is a TK and has teleportation. Superstrength and endurance will do nothing for you.
Telepathy? Raven has a defense against telepathy, not to mention she controls emotions, which would do just as much damage.
I don't see Emma winning by anymeans...at all.
"Telepathy? Raven has a defense against telepathy"Does she really? I thought that for awhile, but I forgot how Phobia's powers aren't straight up telepathy. They're illusional.
"IS this a crossover???
Raven took down Professor Xavier the most powerful telepathic mutant, so she can definately take down Emma Frost. Sorry guys but it's a fact, she also went one on one with the Phoenix, of course she lost and almost became evil, but still not many beings survive a one on one battle with the Phoenix. "
Jean Grey is the strongest Telepath in the world "No. There are several more powerful.
"What if she telports emma to Azarath???"
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