DBZ Super Janemba runs gauntlet

RULES!

- Location: Distorted Hell

- Starting Distance: 50 metres

- Morals: off, but in-character

- Prep: None

- Janemba heals between rounds

- Janemba starts with his sword

- Win conditions: Kill or KO

- If a characters fusion or form times out they lose on-spot

- If its a tie, SJ gets a free pass.

- characters are limited to forms given

- Round 7 is to NOT be composited in any manner with DBS, it is entirely just the BoG and FnF/RoF MOVIE exclusive versions.

ROUNDS!

1- Dabura, Super Perfect Cell, Super Bojack, Super 13

2- SSJ3 Gotenks

3- Ultimate Buu/Buuhan

4- SSJ1 RoF Gohan

5- SSJ1 DBZ Vegito

6- SSJ1 DBZ Broly

7- SSGSS FnF Goku movie version only

8- 1st form Frost (no poison)

9- SSG BoG Goku

10- SSJ4 DBGT Gogeta

Can Super Janemba clear? How far does he go?

- A side point. I am not arguing round 9v10 positions. R9 has a shit timelimit, and is there because of it. A reminder that R7 is movie exclusive: hence the old ssgss name. I welcome pics of cute seals.

Why is Broly so high? Stops from 3-5.

@takenstew22: Cause he isn't to be tied into the series, and is based on his movie version. Broly was said to be a threat the the galaxy (not saying galaxy lvl) Should make him at least a higher end Buu saga lvl character at multi solar system lvl. Mostly above Vegito cause he doesnt have a time limit, while still potentially being a unit.

Stops at 5

Kid Buu was going around destroying Galaxies in the anime though.

And Kid Buu is weaker then Buutenks / Buuhan

Anyways, as for the thread.

I'd say he either stops at Buuhan or Vegito.

He's definitely not beating Vegito.

In all honesty, I think he would beat First Form Frost.

Frost was never all that impressive, even in his final form.

No way is he stronger SSG Goku. Movie version or not.

I don't remember Broly destroying a Galaxy in 7 seconds.

I remembered them showing a picture of a Galaxy being erased but thought it was over time as well.

Up for interpretation I guess.

@eredin12: That video is the one I was referring to.

It shows the Galaxy being erased but it doesn't explain how long it took.

King Kai's reaction is after the Galaxy was destroyed but we don't necessarily know how long it took.

If you low ball him he should be around Buu level

If you high ball him and say he is a casual Galaxy Buster, then yeah. Above Buu

I'm not convinced to be honest

Even bits of Galaxy over time is out of Z Fighters weight class at the time. (which it was during the movie)

King Kai wouldn't have been able to do much about it either way.

@zabuza777: super kid Buu is multi galaxy right now.

@zabuza777: Broly can be argued to be in the Buu lvls of power, but I put him above Buuhan due to the potential of being high balled to galaxy lvl based on his galaxy destroying feat. Hes above Vegito mostly for not having a time limit.

While I personally think Frost is mediocre, he is commonly considered to actually be relative to Goku and Vegeta in base. As such if this is to be true, than 1st form Frost being even just 1/1000 of their power is still a powerful character due to the amp they get from BoG and RoF.

Generally though, I think most of everyone here is downplaying Super Janemba. SJ was able to gain the advantage of a Fusion Reborn Movie Goku, this same Goku who by just powering up into SSJ3 was able to shack several different kai planets while Goku was down in hell. According to guides Heaven is universal in size, so Goku shacking the kai planets that are scatter throughout heaven, from Hell... its mighty impressive, and Janemba did work on a fighter like this. This is easily lowballable to being able to shack a galaxy, something that is massively impressive even among top tier DBZ standards. Considering a galaxy is in the billionsXsolar system lvl. Conisdering how lowballing this is still a huge feat, on a highend it would be relative to universal shacking, something that is similar to the BoG feat, yet this was done by just powering up, with actually AP likely being massively higher, at a high end its quite something, at a low end it just looks even better than SJ beat on someone of that calibur.

first form frost being so high is way more questionable than Broly being that high.

And I agree movie feats puts characters way above their canon counterpaths which people seem to struggle with understanding.

Janemba should honestly stop at Gogeta.

Stops at 5 definitely.

I'm pretty sure Gohan Mystic form and Janemba should be about the same level.

Broly shouldn't be that high. RoF Gohan shouldn't be that high either. Gohan got weaker ever since the Fusion Saga. Goku noted that even Fusion Saga Ultimate Gohan would be a huge asset to U7 at the ToP.

Anyways, Janemba gets the Gogeta treatment at 2. SSJ3 Goku put up a somewhat decent fight against Super Janemba, while SSJ3 Gotenks is at a level that Goku admitted he couldn't hope to compete against, through his confession that him and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against Super Buu.

Besides, even Super Gogeta would get stomped by SSJ3 Gotenks, given that Goten and Trunks could already graze and land hits on Gohan and Vegeta respectively, and they massively improved after their HTC training, meaning that at the very least, the adult counterparts would not stomp the kids, even though they would win convincingly (meaning that SSJ Gogeta would convincingly win but not stomp SSJ Gotenks).

Stops at 3

@noobsnowman: by your logic Gotenks can stomp Buuhan and Super Vegito if Gotenks SSJ3 can stomp Gogeta? WTH dude?

He should stops at 6 he’d be stronger then Buuhan who was going to destroy a universe by causing another universe to crash into the main on using portals. Janemba reality warped Hell to heaven which is larger then the universe casually, whilst Buuhan had to use all his power for a suicidal attack. He also fought SS1 Gogeta who is confirmed by Akira Toriyama to be stronger then SS1 Vegito.

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Kid Buu's outrageous power in DBZ

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So Kid buu's power is a hotly contested thing and has been for a long time, mostly due to differing opinions of what should be taken as literal, and what should be taken as hyperbolic, also due to unknown time frames for statements and feats. But in DBZ he has one feat of being able to destroy the Grand Kais planet in that instant with one attack, which is not ambiguous or hyperbolic at all.

The big issue with this is nobody knew the size of the Grand Kais planet. However I believe I have sufficiently found an accurate estimate for it's size, based on a direct side by side screenshot of the planet, and heaven (which is the size of the Universe), and a second screenshot showing the planets relatively tight orbit of Heaven, along with it being somewhat comparable in size to heaven, and not simply up close to the viewer, due to it being depicted behind the visible curvature of heavens surface, as the plane travels away from the viewer towards it after it came out from the horizon.

So by using some simple pixel scaling with Heaven being the diameter of the Observable Universe to be conservative, I found the approximate size of Grand kais Planet.

https://imgur.com/a/kIPO2mk

Heaven: 245 pixels

Grand Kais Planet: 9 pixels

9/245 = 0.0367

8.798e26m (diameter of Observable Universe/Heaven) x 0.0367 (GK Planet compared to Heaven) = 3.228866e25m or 3,412,914,055 light years.

Now with the size of the Grand Kai's Planet out of the way, we can move on to the speed and power of Kid Buu's attack that can wipe out a planet 3,412,914,055 light years in Diameter!

Energy needed to destroy

As seen here it is stated that Buu would destroy the Grand Kai's Planet.

https://imgur.com/a/wVALigh

Now a simple calculation to find how many joules of energy you would need to accomplish such a feat. We can easily just use the GBE of a Planet of that size with the same gravity as Earth for an approximation, even if it is a low ball. We can use a calculator for this to increase accuracy and give us an upper and lower yield. All we need to do is plug in the diameter in Km of GK planet, which is 3.23e22km.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Calculator.html

https://imgur.com/a/CrBrcqP

As we can see here, the resulting numbers are

Low end (less accurate): 3.642E+87 joules (Multi-Galaxy level)

High end (More accurate due to faster dispersion): 4.999E+113 joules (Well above Observable Universe level)

SO to summarize kid Buu is actually multi-galaxy to Universe level in the anime, due to being able to destroy Grand kai's planet with a single ki blast.

Fat Buu was stronger than young beerus who can destroy the kaioshin realm . He was also going to destroy the universe over time like broly so both have galaxy busting feats.

@chasekilleen: No? If Super Gogeta gets stomped SSJ3 Gotenks, he also gets stomped by Mystic Gohan, Buuhan, etc. Vegito only needs a finger to one shot Gogeta, lol.

@eredin12: you are a mentally retarded mcu fanboy. With no logic and arguments

no one gives a flying fuck about your garbage opinions

Stops at 3.

If DBZ Broly is a casual Galaxy buster then all the Z Fighters in that movie should at least be Majin Buu level in power to have survived as long as they did.

That's a bit of a stretch, even though Movies are not canon to the series.

@zabuza777: Movies scale differently from canon timeline . broly destroyed multiple galaxies in the quadrant so he is at least buu level.

I know. I said that already.

Except Buu isn't Multi-Galaxy.

He's Low Galaxy because it takes him a while to do it.

By your logic, Broly is way more powerful.

@zabuza777: well taking the anime into account he was about to destroy the grand kai planet which is multi galactic in size and elder kai stated he would come to the kaioshin realm after destroying the universe. His vice shout energy was also going to wipe the universe so this supports those levels of power.

ROFLMAO , why is that fodder RoF ssj1 Gohan so high ? He's the weakest on this thread apart from Super 13. Janemba one shots him with a casual punch.

OT: Stops at 3.

Depends on the DBZ characters have anime feats or not, If purely manga feats Then Janemba makes it to BoG Goku.

Gets demolished at 3

Answering some of the threads Questions

• Are we accounting for Anime feats, or just Manga?

- Anime feats ARE accepted here. Toriyama himself even considered the anime to be canon, since to his its just added content. And since we are comparing them to Janemba anyways, i dont see why not use the anime added content.

• Are the Movie characters scaled to the series?

- NO! They are to be scaled to what we see from them. SO Janemba beating down SSJ3 Goku is not the DBZ Buu Saga Goku, it is the Fusion Reborn Goku. The same Goku who proved more powerful than DBZ Buu Saga lvl.

• Why are 4, 6, and 8 so high on the list?

- 4 is SSJ1 RoF Gohan. People who think he is pathetic aren't paying close enough attention. SSJ1 RoF Gohan was able to beat around Tagoma, a guy who was stated to be as powerful as Mystic Gohan. Base Gohan may be weaker, and his lack of training gives him a bad ssj time capability, this measn that SSJ1 Gohan in RoF is above Mystic Gohan in terms of power.

- 6 is 1st form Frost. At final form he had trouble with Piccolo, yet many people still high end him to being comparable to U6v7 Arc Base Goku and Vegeta. At a high-end he is a beast here, since his 1st form only being comparable is still massive compared to what we had from Z. He is up this high due to that potential high-end.

- 8 is SSJ1 Broly. He is as high as he is since he does have means of being scaled to upper Buu Saga tier characters, he also has the potential of being scaled to being relative to Galaxy lvl. He also doesn't have the time limitations of Vegito and RoF Gohan.

• Can Buuhan absorb Janemba?

- The rules don't say he can't try.

Not even Final Form Frost should this high.

Janemba stops at 3

@ghostwarren: according to the guides Heaven alone is universal in size. This should amp your feat much further.

However, it doesn't help Buu beat Janemba. Since Fusion Reborn Goku powered up so much that he was shaking the planets of the kai's, which directly showed Grand Kai's planet being one of them. Grand Kai's planet based on the image you used shows it to be multigalaxy lvl in distance apart. Goku being able to create enough power to send a power up shock wave that went from HELL, past Heaven, and then shake the Grand Kai's planet, which by scale is multi-galaxy in size.

Kid Buu being a threat to the Grand Kai's planet is awesome. But its small compared to Janemba beating down a guy who by powering up alone shook a multi-galaxy sized planet from potentially over a universal distance away.

We further see someone like Gogeta being able to have his energy felt by Goten and Trunks who were back on Earth, and all Gogeta had done was be born. These kids who were occupied and not even paying attention felt this energy. This is a a secondary feat in the movie to help display universal energy potential in a casual manner, even if this is shot down to multi-galaxy only, its still impressive compared to Z.

@god-thanatos1: Do recall that SSJ RoF Gohan beat up Tagoma, yet Gohan claimed Tagoma to be on par with Gohan's power at his best, and this was prior to Tagoma powering up. This should imply Tagoma to be Mystic Gohan lvl. It shouldn't imply Tagoma to be as powerful as Base Buu Saga Gohan, since everyone knows Piccolo is way above that, and Tagoma made a joke out of Piccolo.

As well, when Goten and Trunks felt Tagoma's energy, its sparked their interest in checking out this considered high power level, and as such they arrive as a SSJ Gotenks. Should help to further imply that Tagoma is powerful among DBZ high tiers, yet RoF Gohan beat him up.

@pink9okemon: So tAgoMa = strongest non fused canon DBZ character ?

Nice joke. I don't where you got that from but woaaaaaaaw.........Janemba still neg diffs RoF Gohan.

Stop at 10

Stops at 5. Broly's too high.

RoF Gohan should be round 1, he is trash. DBZ Broly should be round 2. Stops at Buuhan, and definitely at Vegito.

@pink9okemon: I'm pretty sure that was a mistranslation. How could a weakened Gohan stomp someone as strong as prime Gohan? That doesn't make sense. I think the actual translation was that he was about as strong as his current max power, and he may have been talking about his base form, as his ssj form was clearly stronger than Ginyu/Tagoma who was even stronger than regular Tagoma.

@alextheboss: it is actually for that very reason that RoF Gohan is so high. Because he could be argued as being stronger than Mystic Gohan. Sure it make no sense. But it is the same as many others on this list.

Movie Broly has the potential of being above the Buu's. So because the characters have that potential, I put them high up.

Also, R3... everyone says it, perhaps a reason? (I ask because I massively disagree).

@crimson_comet: Nah, in the black arc Trunks confirmed Gohan felt weaker than before. Goku also said he was weaker than Buu in the universe 6 arc. Gohan is 100% weaker than Mystic Gohan until the TOP arc. Broly is arguably Buu tier, but I don't think he would be more dangerous than all of those other characters at once. Especially since Dabura has his stone spit and Cell has his absorption power.

Janemba probably stops at Buuhan because he had a little trouble with ssj3 Goku and got one shot by ssj Gogeta. Buuhan has candy power, absorption power, is multiple times stronger than ssj3 Goku, and didn't get one shot by ssj Vegito.

Do recall that Fusion Reborn Goku is way different than dbz buu saga Goku.

And im not saying he trained and is maybe 2x stronger at best. Nah. SSJ3 Goku has actual feats in that movie.

True, movie is different then canon series

In the Broly movie you get a general idea of how strong he is based on him destroying Galaxies.

Whether or not he does is quickly or does it over a extended period of time is vague, but at least it is something.

But Janemba is a lot more difficult to figure out then DBZ Broly.

SS3 Goku shaking the Otherworld Feat is hard to quantify

@zabuza777: If Goku is at the very edge of heaven, he still ends up shacking a multi-galaxy+ plan, as he had prove to be able to shack Elder Kai's planet, a Planet that is a multi-galaxy distance away from heaven, but also multi-galaxy in it own size.

This at the very lowest and assuming Goku was at the boarder of heaven, still makes this feat insane. And Goku wasn't even directly trying to cause this.

The characters in fusion reborn have proved to be able to casually impact things in a multi-galaxy+ range. This is beyond buu saga, and if comparable, FR are doing it much more causally compared to someone like Buuhan straining

@crimson_comet: We don't know how much stronger he was supposed to be though. Janemba uses a sword as well and Buu can't be killed by being cut up. Even if he does beat Buuhan, he gets stomped at Vegito.

Stops at Vegito. So round 5.