@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
Exactly. I also convined Wolvie that Static would take a majority over Logan, but I'm not sure Vergil is street level.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
Exactly. I also convined Wolvie that Static would take a majority over Logan, but I'm not sure Vergil is street level.
Devil May Cry Vergil? I think his speed in combination with that sword put him above street level. I basically define street level as "if you would stomp Batman or Captain America, than you're not street level." That's why Spider-Man is the breaking point of street level, Batman and Cap could at least fight him before losing. Vergil however would destroy them both.
Vergil is basically the bare minimum of mid tier I guess.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
Exactly. I also convined Wolvie that Static would take a majority over Logan, but I'm not sure Vergil is street level.
Devil May Cry Vergil? I think his speed in combination with that sword put him above street level. I basically define street level as "if you would stomp Batman or Captain America, than you're not street level." That's why Spider-Man is the breaking point of street level, Batman and Cap could at least fight him before losing. Vergil however would destroy them both.
Vergil is basically the bare minimum of mid tier I guess.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
Exactly. I also convined Wolvie that Static would take a majority over Logan, but I'm not sure Vergil is street level.
Devil May Cry Vergil? I think his speed in combination with that sword put him above street level. I basically define street level as "if you would stomp Batman or Captain America, than you're not street level." That's why Spider-Man is the breaking point of street level, Batman and Cap could at least fight him before losing. Vergil however would destroy them both.
Vergil is basically the bare minimum of mid tier I guess.
I said in another thread that street level debates tend to be more reasonable than powerhouse ones but I suppose this is the equivalent of Superman vs Goku or Hulk vs Thor. Still, a lot more reasonable ideas are exchanged here which makes it tougher for me to side with one side of the case. Logan's huge skill advantage, comparable speed and healing factor do give him a serious chance but Peter's undeniable striking power, superior speed and agility coupled with spider sense could enable him to get the finishing blow on Logan. It's too tough to call currently.
@106me: Before Wolverine knocks him out? Nope. James' durability makes Peter's look like a joke in comparison. In a contest of who'll pass out first from a punching contest, Peter will lose every single time. And Wolverine can always slap a nifty pressure on Parker too.
Peter is skilled enough in martial arts to speedblitz three men with spider powers one after the other using nerve strikes and pressure point attacks. I'm not saying he's just as skilled as Logan or anything crazy like that, but Wolverine beating Spider-Man with a pressure point attack isn't going to happen in a million years. In his entire existence, Wolverine has only attacked a pressure point once, and it was against a character who literally stood perfectly still and pretty much let Wolverine attack him. I'd be more impressed if Logan used one on someone who was actually experienced and trained not to mention faster than himself, rather than an incompetent kid alien who's only feat is being an alien. Against Peter Parker, who is a fantastic brawler and very knowledgeable in pressure points himself, with superior speed to Wolverine and spider sense on top of it, not to mention leagues more flexible and agile, a pressure point attack doesn't seem like a realistic way for Wolverine to achieve victory.
Preach Nick, you glorious handsome devil!
Kids have gotta learn. Wolverine08 will accept the food chain sooner or later, Spider-Man is number 1 way on top, and everyone else trickles behind. Forever.
@nickzambuto: Well, I'm not going to try lowball Spider-Man's skill and increase it has underwent ever since he got his Way of the Spider training, but there's still a massive disparity between him and James in that department. A life times difference between them in terms of capability. For every pretty decent feat Peter has in the martial area, Wolverine has 5 that supersede them in some capacity. In regards to the Kid Gladiator incident, I think it's somewhat applicable. KG was busy trying to punch Wolverine's face(The method Peter is limited to for winning to this fight), and he took advantage of a moment and dropped the young buck with all that martial knowledge. That isn't the only time he's used pressure points/weak areas against opponents. Back during Origins, an exhausted Wolverine got pinned to the floor by Captain America(Someone whom Peter has already admitted is ridiculously superior to him in terms of H2H combat), and he proceeded to take advantage of the situation, and used that martial knowledge to not only one up Steve, but leave him with a psedo aneurysm in his leg.
I think this mimics what can happen if Peter tries to outmuscle Wolverine via his strength. And Wolverine has also used the martial talent against physically superior foes. Rock of the Buddha was someone whom Wolverine described as having physical strength and physicals similar to the thing but just with martial talent, and the guy was good enough to get into the Black Dragons(A group of martial artists whom can attack souls with their martial skill), so he isn't a scrub. Wolverine used his martial talent to find a weak spot in the dude, and finished succinctly with a single karate chop:
So to sum up, am I saying that Wolverine can beat Spider-Man 10/10 here through pressure points? Definitely not, but it is a valid way for him to beat Parker, and I do think people should value the fact that due to the martial edge Wolverine has over Spider-Man, he's not limited to just trying to punch Parker's face in to win this fight.
@wolverine08: I'm not saying Wolverine can't win, what I'm saying is that he can't win through pressure points. Even if I gave Logan a 10/10 over Spider-Man in this scenario, only like 1/10 of those wins would be because of a pressure point. Kid Gladiator and Rock of Buddha can be as strong as they want, the fact remains that neither have even an inkling of reaction speed in comparison to Peter Parker, so the instances are not applicable in this fight. Spider-sense adds an entirely different dimension to things. Pressure points require an impossible level of precision in order to properly execute. Against Bullseye, Peter's spider sense automatically positioned his body so that incoming projectiles would miss all of his vital organs. Considering that, coupled with Spider-Man's superior movement speed to Wolverine, I don't see how Logan can keep Peter from moving one or two millimeters in the wrong direction, thus causing the pressure point to miss. With this in mind, it's really impossible for Wolverine, or anyone without an incredible speed edge for that matter, to use pressure points on Spider-Man as long as he has his spider sense.
@wolverine08: I'm not saying Wolverine can't win, what I'm saying is that he can't win through pressure points. Even if I gave Logan a 10/10 over Spider-Man in this scenario, only like 1/10 of those wins would be because of a pressure point. Kid Gladiator and Rock of Buddha can be as strong as they want, the fact remains that neither have even an inkling of reaction speed in comparison to Peter Parker, so the instances are not applicable in this fight. Spider-sense adds an entirely different dimension to things. Pressure points require an impossible level of precision in order to properly execute. Against Bullseye, Peter's spider sense automatically positioned his body so that incoming projectiles would miss all of his vital organs. Considering that, coupled with Spider-Man's superior movement speed to Wolverine, I don't see how Logan can keep Peter from moving one or two millimeters in the wrong direction, thus causing the pressure point to miss. With this in mind, it's really impossible for Wolverine, or anyone without an incredible speed edge for that matter, to use pressure points on Spider-Man as long as he has his spider sense.
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
Ouch!
Hey...if he wants to take one last parting shot before he runs away...who am I to argue?
How strong is steel vs steel??? It all depends on how compact it is and how it is shaped for example; 2 steel rods smacking into each other causes them both to break eventually but 2 steel shapes,cube and blade, mean that the sharper object would pierce the steel cube and be blunted but the steel cube would get cut. It's the same principle as any object trying to smash another object of the same material.
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
Ouch!
Hey...if he wants to take one last parting shot before he runs away...who am I to argue?
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
Ouch!
Hey...if he wants to take one last parting shot before he runs away...who am I to argue?
That's right, boy...now go hide under his skirts some more...:D
Meh. Can't be bothered. He thinks Wolverine got beaten in an alternate timeline setting in a "fake" wrestling match means something, then who am I to argue?
Ouch!
Hey...if he wants to take one last parting shot before he runs away...who am I to argue?
You're all alone now Wolvie.
Meh. If you need it, just search the dozens upon dozens of other Spider-Man versus Wolverine threads (and yes, some contain pure fistfights and all) wherein, point by point, arguments far more astute than yours, on the exact same showings, were absolutely disseminated with the greatest of ease.
It's no secret that I am absolutely saturated by them at this point. Wolverine08 has been here roughly a year ... he'll get there eventually. Really, I'd rather watch paint dry than have another go at it. You'll have to come up with far, far more interesting points that haven't each been adequately countered numerous times to pique my interest. Luck with that.
Actually, scratch that, I am far too busy at this point in life and this site is holding less and less allure on a whole.
In fact, let me take this opportunity to clearly and most emphatically state "I'm outta here".
Have fun all. It's been real. Mods have been growing ever more and more self-righteous, too full of hot air (damn I miss the Morpheus/Static/Vance days) and the atmosphere has grown too stale. While I've been growing into more and more of a real a-hole on this site just to keep things interesting (and they're not anymore, haven't been for a while). It's time to hang up my gloves before I scandalize some younguns.
So yeah, guess that was my parting shot. Might be a temporary break. Might be permanent (probably permanent). Time will tell.
Apropos I do this in a Spider-Man versus Wolverine thread ... started by laflux no less (problem @laflux?)
Ciao,
Super_SoldierXII
(P.S. Always wanted to be a big gornk and sign my post just once, like some bewilderingly do).
This thread made me lose a hella lot more respect for spidey. Fact,logan had dropped peter and had him dead to rights in delivering a final blow than peter has him, peter is just not cool enough to beat logan in any aspect, marvel thinks there greatest hero is a cucked based crybaby after all.
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