Adam (Record of Ragnarok) vs Saitama (OPM)

Adam stomps hard

@jimcrim: https://youtu.be/U2EHp4BAtig (i wasn't able to find it with eng subtitles so rip. I can post the feats and other stuff tomorrow morning (11pm here) or you can read the manga, i'm going to sleep soon, nighty night)

This guy loses really hard. In his only appearance in the manga, neither he nor his opponent punched as hard as Saitama's regular punches with the thousands of punches they threw.

It's also pretty clear that the "power over time" punch was never used again in the entire fight because the god of war, who couldn't see the punch being used because it was too fast or whatever had no problem seeing every punch afterwards and he made it such a big deal that he could see every other move except that one.

I'm also quite sure he doesn't permanently remember or utilize every attack because he was copying and then using attacks as they happened. It's why he doesn't use those fast punches from the beginning of the fight later on in the fight because zeus didn't use them again. It's why he didn't use the time stop move twice because zeus only used it once. It's why once zeus compressed himself, he never used any of the previous copied attacks and only the new compressed punches which were slower than the time stop punch because the god of war could clearly see what was going on in battle.

All his compression punches had no timer on them to indicate they were any faster than the punches he threw one page ago which were showing increasing speed. Why would the author stop doing so one page later if he believes these punches are also faster? We are even given an amount of time that the rest of the fight would last, 5- 6 minutes.

Saitama causes too much damage with his hits and the fact that he Adam was damaged with punches with far less force than saitama can produce doesn't bode well for him. This doesn't even get to the fact that his eye power only lasts for less than 7 minutes in which he'll just die from a combination of being damaged and overheating.

Before anyone brings him not using his eye ability, well, he used it for both fights in the manga and even used it against the snake that attacked him who is far slower and weaker than saitama. It's made pretty clear because of the narrator and the sparkly eyes.

@returnofdabeast: you are foolish. "Shattering earth" isn't a feat. The ground itself is earth and we see that thor can shatter it, it doesn't mean the entire planet.

No, you are. Where in the statement does it imply that the hammer can only destroy a piece of rock or dirt. That's autistic levels of lowballing right there. If it says earth, then it means the actual earth.

Zeus isn't even from the same pantheon as thor. What kinda scaling is there?

Does he need to be from the same pantheon to scale off of him? No. he doesn't. The whole manga is literally about Gods and humans from different pantheons fighting each other, so where the hell do you get the idea that you can only scale off of someone from the same pantheon as you? Zeus being the god of gods should put him in or above Thor's tier. It's as simple as that.

@returnofdabeast: the manga pulls a shit ton of gods from different pantheons. It even has the Christian god in it. He has no combat feats.

I know. I just said that.

Zeus isn't the god of god's, he's just the chief god of the Greek pantheon. Odin the chief god of the norse pantheon also exists.

Which was my point. Odin being the god of the norse pantheon would mean he's most likely stronger than Thor, and it wouldn't be too far fetched in the slightest to say that the Chiefs scale to each other.

And there is a statement somewhere stating he is the god of gods, IIRC.

No. If you haven't taken an English class before, you'd know that earth doesn't always describe the planet itself. We've seen thor fight, he didn't come close to even destroying the planet earth.

Answer my question. What part of that statement implies he can only destroy a rock or a clump of dirt -_-

There's a thing called context when it comes to statements, and you clearly don't understand this fact.

@returnofdabeast: No. Thor was said to be the strongest god of his own pantheon, not odin.

Zeus has better feats, and has beaten stronger people already though

Post said statement, then post a feat backing it.

I didn't remember correctly

The fact that he can hit the ground hard enough to destroy it means he can "destroy earth" because the ground it earth. There's a thing called context when it comes to statements, and you clearly don't understand this fact.

That's not context, that's just an autistic interpretation you came up with to downplay Thor. If Thor was only capable of shattering the ground, then Lu bu would have one-shot him, and he wouldn't be the strongest norse god.

That's not context, that's just an autistic interpretation you came up with to downplay Thor. If Thor was only capable of shattering the ground, then Lu bu would have one-shot him, and he wouldn't be the strongest norse god.

@returnofdabeast:

Zeus has 1 feat of beating Adam, that's it.

Pretty damn good one at that.

I didn't remember correctly

yeah, thanks for saying stupid shit.

Not as stupid as "Thor can only destroy some dirt".

There is no correlation here. Thor being able to only shatter the ground doesn't mean Lu Bu would one-shot him. Lu Bu still died to regular human beings and he could "split the skies" for hundreds of feet.

He died because he was bored, not because they could actually kill him. Again, context is needed. He was easily able to overpower an attack that could split the sky, so him being only able to destroy a clump of rocks and dirt is a testament to your ineptitude in understanding the context behind statements.

@returnofdabeast: Lu Bu died by being hanged by humans not because he was bored. That is the context you are missing.

Because he let them. Context

Being able to overpower an attack that can split the sky for a kilometer does not even come close to destroying the planet earth or even fighting saitama.

Show me where it says it was only for a kilometer. And even that should trump "shattering the ground" as you've so geniusly interpreted the statement. Also, show me where i said that means he could shatter the planet. I brought that up to debunk "ground shattering max" Thor, not to support the statement.

Sticking to a statement that you haven't posted at all means nothing. You are the only one that said thor can only destroy some dirt.

The hell are you talking about here?

And you said the statement meant he can shatter "earth" as in dirt and rocks.

@returnofdabeast: you can't let your neck become physically less durable for someone to kill you.

Says who? You write the manga?

We know for a fact lu bu was hanged to death with a rope by humans. This says a lot about him.

Again, because he let them.

Perhaps you should go back to the original posts of mine you replied to. You supported the idea of "planet level" stats for these characters and said it was "all facts". If you don't believe thor nor adam can shatter the planet, then you're contradicting yourself and we have nothing more to discuss.

I never said i didn't support that idea fool, i said that specific instance i brought up wasn't for the purpose of supporting the statement. It was for debunking you.

@returnofdabeast: read his post

"Planet level stats from Zeus and thor". Neither of them showed nothing close to planet level.

@returnofdabeast: nothing in the manga indicated that lu bu weakened his neck so he could be hanged. He was bored so he didn't fight back.

That was never my initial claim. YOU were the one making out of context statements to make Lu Bu seem weak, A.K.A, "We know for a fact lu bu was hanged to death with a rope by humans. This says a lot about him.", as if he was captured by them and hung against his will. He let them do it, so this say's absolutely nothing about him or his durability, but that was a nice try though. Even still, asphyxiation wouldn't really put a damper on his actual durability anyways.

You didn't debunk shit. Being able to cut some clouds would still allow him to shatter the ground beneath him which is what thor did. Nothing comes close to "planet level"

Wow, you seem to be in the salty straw-manning mood today XD.

1.) when did i say i debunked you

2.) When did i was the sky piercer was planet level

3.) "you are foolish. "Shattering earth" isn't a feat. The ground itself is earth and we see that thor can shatter it, it doesn't mean the entire planet." Yeah, well they "shattered some earth" when Lu bu and Thor casually clashed. That clearly can't be what that statement meant, considering Mjolnir is the strongest divine weapon and was known for it's destructive power. Any body in that manga can "shatter earth" with the definition you gave it.

4.) he would need to overcome the energy from Lu bu's swing, and then some to shatter the ground, and even then, that doesn't suddenly make the statement mean "he can shatter some dirt and rocks" lol. If it was only capable of doing that, then why mention it? They brought up the earth shattering statement as a testament to the Mjolnir's power, and show why Thor is the strongest of the Norse gods. In a manga about gods who move faster than time itself, have cosmic battles on other planets, witness the big bang, turn day to night, split the sky with pure air pressure, and destroy the planet on a whim, why the hell would shattering the ground or a big rock or clump of dirt (earth as you've put it) be impressive enough to prove Thor's the strongest, or to even be mentioned at all? It's clear they meant the actual planet earth itself. It's literally the strongest divine weapon.

That is the context i was hoping you'd pick up on. Now i know they haven't done any planet busting yet, but based on the rest of the lore and statements we've been given, it shouldn't be hard to believe they can be planet level. Especially since we're given a statement about it.

@returnofdabeast: it's impossible to move faster than time. Think about it for a second. Cronos/Zeus/Adam just use some special magical technique.

Not in fiction it is, it's done all the time. Also, show me what that magical ability they used was, and where it's implied that they used it.

Having a battle on a different planet means nothing. They somehow fought on another planet, they didn't destroy it that much is clear. We don't know if they teleported there so who cares?

I guess.

Witnessing or being there when the big bang happened. Again, who cares? Did they cause the big bang? Can they destroy universes? No. So it doesn't matter combat wise.

If they were there before the big bang, not only were they in existence before the universe did, but they survived the explosion.

Everything isn't lore, you can't just claim it is.

I never said everything was lore, quit straw-manning me

All that shit isn't context, it's you typing a whole bunch of fluff unrelated to the battle at hand.

It is context. That "fluff" puts into perspective the level that these gods operate on, and for Thor to be the strongest with the strongest weapon known for it's destructive power, shattering the planet earth, and not just some random ground, makes much much more sense

Gods with magical powers. Turning night to day can easily be accomplished though their magic just like Hermes using his magic to shapeshift a cup.

Shape shifting, and possibly rotating the earth/celestial body manip, are entirely different things. Ones on a completely different scale (planetary scale)

Hanging someone has to do with tightening a rope around their neck. Obviously a force is applied to their neck, if a rope can do that to thor then his durability doesn't approach "planet level" and isn't especially high in the context of saitama who is in this battle. To give another example, wrapping a rope around saitama's neck wouldn't even come close to crushing his wind pipe.

1.) It was Lu bu, not Thor, so idk how you're trying to use an "anti-feat" (quotations because it really isn't) for durability from another character to debunk a statement about Thor's AP. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

2.) Nothing to do with piercing, blunt force, or energy durability,

"Character makes hyperbolic statements filled with metaphors while their feats are minuscule in comparison". Yea no shit, this happens in shitty manga all the time.

Prove they're hyperbolic and show me the metaphors. They've all done these things, except for the planet busting and big bang, on panel, and even those have credibility to them.