@bbnakedsnake said:
Luffy still solos
Get him past EMS Sasuke
OT - Sasuke one-shots
One Piece Team Vs Sasuke
@supreme101 said:
Sanji has his back turned and is focused on Vegapunk.
He's focused on running away.
Luffy wasn't bleeding out. And again FODDER. Big difference between say Goku taking on Yamaha handicapped vs FREEZA handicapped.
Wth he wasn't bleeding out you say? characters like Oven and other top BM pirate siblings weren't fodder this is cope.
HE LITERALLY PERCEPTION BLITZED OVEN. Speed wise they were fodder.
It means Sanji isn't using his full speed do to his condition. And if he's using the boots then it's not even HIS speed to begin with.
No lol Sanji is literally disregarding his condition when moving lmao
Literally yells at him to be queit and told by Luffy to ignore his sounds of pain.
And your point? My point was Sanji not moving FULL speed him being moved was already acknowledged by both of us.
Sanji also was focused on the enemies NOT HIM.
And Sanji is focused on getting away from the enemy.
Again NOT focused on the threat.
Because kizaru dipped mid punch. Not the first time it's happened.
So he was perception blitzed and statued
Same thing happened before with blueno and kaido. Still clearly perceived.
Yeah kizaru's is much worse.
Lmao
its facts.
Which they are by FEATS. It's not coincidence the only time Sanji has issue reacting to kizaru is when he's NOT paying attention to him.
No he was straight up blitzed not to mention Obv haki is also mentioned to be needed to keep up with Kizaru's speed.
Which Sanji specializes in (hence why he could block his attacks TWICE) and still requires you to pay attention.
Sanji is well aware of vegapunk and Saturn and tries getting away while not slowing down because of vegapunk as he's even directly told to ignore his condition and cries of pain
And? Still doesn't change the context. Sanji blatantly isn't focused on them as he's leaving it to Luffy
@supreme101 said:
HE LITERALLY PERCEPTION BLITZED OVEN. Speed wise they were fodder.
Sanji was gonna get shot full of holes btw. And Oven wasn't aware of him.
Oven didn't even see him move and Sanji covered a much larger distance.
And your point? My point was Sanji not moving FULL speed him being moved was already acknowledged by both of us.
You say he's not moving at full speed because of his condition. When that's not the case
Moving him anyway=/= moving him at full speed.
Same thing happened before with blueno and kaido. Still clearly perceived.
My brother in christ that is not a statue. Horrible comparison.
Literally the exact same thing. The successfully sped away from the punch spam but Luffy clearly saw them move.
Which Sanji specializes in (hence why he could block his attacks TWICE) and still requires you to pay attention.
Guess what. he's still very aware of both opponentsa being nearby not to mention his Obv haki has happened passively and he clearly saw it.
Clearly not if both of his panels express confusion. !? HUH?
And? Still doesn't change the context. Sanji blatantly isn't focused on them as he's leaving it to Luffy
He is focused. Too many other cases show that's not what would happen or happened here.
Literally shown TWICE Sanji has no issue blocking LS attacks during the same instance and he's explicitly faster than Marco who can do the same. Obvious conclusion given the context is he was caught off guard
Oven didn't even see him move and Sanji covered a much larger distance.
Oh but it's different with sanji when he's ot looking double standards?
Moving him anyway=/= moving him at full speed.
Sanji was moving at full speed carrying an injured bleeding out Luffy. Sanji was fighting even using diable jambe while carrying a bones shattered Zoro.
Literally the exact same thing. The successfully sped away from the punch spam but Luffy clearly saw them move.
He couldn't even react. Straight statued.
Clearly not if both of his panels express confusion. !? HUH?
because he's looking at kizaru attack vegapunk that's why he also shouts no. Oh but when i say kizaru is confused it's he was blitzed lmao Double standards.
Literally shown TWICE Sanji has no issue blocking LS attacks during the same instance and he's explicitly faster than Marco who can do the same. Obvious conclusion given the context is he was caught off guard
In the first sanji scan is that him getting shot by a laser I see? looks like he couldn't deflect them all lol.
Theres also the fact Obv haki is needed to keep up with kizaru as stated in his guide page. Guess which one Sanji is most profiecient at. So ofc he can react to it lolololol.
Sanji wasn't off guard context not only shows that but prior instances wouldn't suggest that happen.
@supreme101 said:
Oven didn't even see him move and Sanji covered a much larger distance.
Oh but it's different with sanji when he's ot looking double standards?
I know right? Difference is Sanji has feats proving it's legit while oven has no feats suggesting Sanji couldn't blitz him regardless. Plus one was from BEHIND.
Moving him anyway=/= moving him at full speed.
Sanji was moving at full speed carrying an injured bleeding out Luffy. Sanji was fighting even using diable jambe while carrying a bones shattered Zoro.
Zoro is patched up and both ge and Luffy are fighters. Not to mention there's still nothing saying Sanji was full speed in ANY of those instances.
Literally the exact same thing. The successfully sped away from the punch spam but Luffy clearly saw them move.
He couldn't even react. Straight statued.
Sure like he didn't react every time this has happened.🤥 even on panel Luffy only comments on the DISTANCE.
Clearly not if both of his panels express confusion. !? HUH?
because he's looking at kizaru attack vegapunk that's why he also shouts no. Oh but when i say kizaru is confused it's he was blitzed lmao Double standards.
Yeah it's not like one got sucker kicked while the other was looking at the wind up. OH WAIT 😂. Same thing happened with blueno he STILL DODGED.
Literally shown TWICE Sanji has no issue blocking LS attacks during the same instance and he's explicitly faster than Marco who can do the same. Obvious conclusion given the context is he was caught off guard
In the first sanji scan is that him getting shot by a laser I see? looks like he couldn't deflect them all lol.
And? Not deflecting ALL of them doesn't take away from the ones he DID deflect.
Theres also the fact Obv haki is needed to keep up with kizaru as stated in his guide page. Guess which one Sanji is most profiecient at. So ofc he can react to it lolololol.
Yes and how fast are those lasers? LIGHT SPEED.
Sanji wasn't off guard context not only shows that but prior instances wouldn't suggest that happen.
Context and feats show he can normally ergo he was caught off guard which makes sense as he's impaired by carrying a wounded non combatant, has his back turned, and actively isn't focused on the opponent.
I know right? Difference is Sanji has feats proving it's legit while oven has no feats suggesting Sanji couldn't blitz him regardless. Plus one was from BEHIND.
Yeah it's legit alright yet his siblings red and blue proved faster than him.
Zoro is patched up and both ge and Luffy are fighters. Not to mention there's still nothing saying Sanji was full speed in ANY of those instances.
Zoro was patched up? he was in a cast what is you wafflin about. he used diable jambe all the evidence needed lmao.
Sure like he didn't react every time this has happened.🤥 even on panel Luffy only comments on the DISTANCE.
That's not even him dodging...and that's not what I was referring to
Yeah it's not like one got sucker kicked while the other was looking at the wind up. OH WAIT 😂. Same thing happened with blueno he STILL DODGED.
Yeah and it's not like the guy who was attacked has exceptional obv haki and can even passively sense events happening lol.
Literally shown TWICE Sanji has no issue blocking LS attacks during the same instance and he's explicitly faster than Marco who can do the same. Obvious conclusion given the context is he was caught off guard
OBV haki. Which allows him to keep up do you even know what obv haki does? show him blitzing Kizaru then. I got a certain scan from 3d2y movie to prove.
And? Not deflecting ALL of them doesn't take away from the ones he DID deflect.
Obv haki aim dodge wasn't good enough I fear.
And? Not deflecting ALL of them doesn't take away from the ones he DID deflect.
And how is it possible to keep up with Kizaru? you guessed Obv haki
Context and feats show he can normally ergo he was caught off guard which makes sense as he's impaired by carrying a wounded non combatant, has his back turned, and actively isn't focused on the opponent.
You wanna know two other people who were injured(way worse than vegapunk btw) that he was carrying with his back turned but could still fight and evade?
@supreme101 said:
I know right? Difference is Sanji has feats proving it's legit while oven has no feats suggesting Sanji couldn't blitz him regardless. Plus one was from BEHIND.
Yeah it's legit alright yet his siblings red and blue proved faster than him.
Literally never happened and given katakuri and king fodderize them your just cementing the LS meta. His brothers are known trash talkers who are literally stripped up most of their emotions. Nichi had to be saved FROM sanji earlier and still talked trash.
Zoro is patched up and both ge and Luffy are fighters. Not to mention there's still nothing saying Sanji was full speed in ANY of those instances.
Zoro was patched up? he was in a cast what is you wafflin about. he used diable jambe all the evidence needed lmao.
Exactly. And the most impressive thing he did was sucker kick QUEEN in his zoan form. He put Zoro down to properly fight FOR A REASON.
Sure like he didn't react every time this has happened.🤥 even on panel Luffy only comments on the DISTANCE.
That's not even him dodging...and that's not what I was referring to
Yeah he bailed before Luffy could hit him.
Yeah it's not like one got sucker kicked while the other was looking at the wind up. OH WAIT 😂. Same thing happened with blueno he STILL DODGED.
Yeah and it's not like the guy who was attacked has exceptional obv haki and can even passively sense events happening lol.
Yeah it's not like the you still have to be paying attention.
Literally shown TWICE Sanji has no issue blocking LS attacks during the same instance and he's explicitly faster than Marco who can do the same. Obvious conclusion given the context is he was caught off guard
OBV haki. Which allows him to keep up do you even know what obv haki does? show him blitzing Kizaru then. I got a certain scan from 3d2y movie to prove.
Same kizaru that can explicitly go FTL who Sanji DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT.
And? Not deflecting ALL of them doesn't take away from the ones he DID deflect.
Obv haki aim dodge wasn't good enough I fear.
And? Not deflecting ALL of them doesn't take away from the ones he DID deflect.
And how is it possible to keep up with Kizaru? you guessed Obv haki
Context and feats show he can normally ergo he was caught off guard which makes sense as he's impaired by carrying a wounded non combatant, has his back turned, and actively isn't focused on the opponent.
You wanna know two other people who were injured(way worse than vegapunk btw) that he was carrying with his back turned but could still fight and evade?
@tagsorwhatever said:
Luffy still one shots:
@supreme101 said:
He stated he couldn't replicate logias. Literally confirmed he can interact with and produce light via holograms.
yeah not weaponise light. lol or do you not see the irony in Kizaru a lightman hitting people when it's said it's impossible to do that.
Kizaru is a logia. Not a hologram.
Kizaru wasn't attacking. He was blocking them dipped. Not the first time Luffy's punch spam has been avoided.
You literally showed scans of him doing that.
I meant physically sorry for the mix up. My point still stands.
Because they were actively focused on it. It's not like they picked up the incoming mecha shark before it was pointed out to them.
Sanji noticed her.
because everyone was focused on it.
Queen's laser spam is nowhere near kizaru's...
Yeah he has terrible aim to boot since he can't hit a straight moving target.
I'm sorry what 🤣
@supreme101 said:
Passive resistance depends on the ability. And I explicitly mentioned Prometheus as an example of the difference.
But you said Luffy didn't use haki as if there would be a difference made in interaction with the hologram.
Again depends on the ability and that's RESISTANCE to the effects on the user not the target. Big mom and kaido resisted law's spacial hax but not his attacks. Law had to actively channel haki to counter the gender swap virus.
Oh really where? Luffy only commented on the distance and as I already explained dodging his punch spam but him still perceiving has happened before.
Luffy was still staring at the spot Kizaru was in right after he zoomed off in the distance only noticing him after.........
Again Luffy adjusting the view after the fact has happened before. He's clearing looking in kizaru's direction and only comments on the DISTANCE not his speed (which Luffy tends to do) heck kizaru himself makes no comments about Luffy being slow like he did at Marine Ford.
Because it was spammed. Doesn't take away from his feat.
Lol. It was only two lmfao.
🤥
Its also stated you need to be fast enough otherwise you'll get blitzed even WITH haki.
Sure but even then with relative speed FS and obv should have been enough. Kizaru who moves at LS was clearly faster.
If he'd straight up blitzed Sanji then yes but he didn't. He only rushed him while he was running away carrying a wounded ally (not using his full speed and off guard) Sanji clearly showed he has no issue with LS when unimpeded and is explicitly faster than Marco who performed similar.
And countering other users which includes kizaru
Wonder where "proficient haki users can grasp him movement" line comes in
Which Sanji is by by both statements and feats. The fact kizaru's only clear blitz against a haki user was explicitly going FTL is telling.
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