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I was debating with some Fairy tail hater who claimed this, here I will post the debate

FT hater is the one who is claiming natsu's not fire and I am the one who is explaining why is fire

natsu ALWAYS wins, in every fight except for one and that's was a fucking test with gildarts who just about as fucking shitty, and have you noticed that natsu's "fire", ain't fucking fire?! that shit has burned NOTHING and scorched nothing, that's the most saddest thing about it

if they are not fire, why isnt't it shoved into your face, cause I am pretty sure they called fire dragon slaying magic over and over again everytime people watch fairy tail

well I don't see fire, all I see is whips that act like fire but can't have the properties

remember the phantom lord arc, the guy who was defending the core thing, had the ability to control Fire and it literally worked on natsu's dragon fire, zancrow ate natsu's Flames and even called it fire, Natsu is even called fire dragon slayer, it's been rubbed into your face and you think it's noot,fire simply because it's used for,physical attacks, are you densedor something, cause are actually stupid or playing stupidShow less

they can call it whatever they want but it still doesn't change the fact that the shit he throws up and sucks up has NOTHING alike with real fire, it's temperature is colder then a open fire, and it's burning ability might as well be nothing because it is nothing LOLShow less

, this official you're not plain stupid, you're slow minded

2.just because it doesn't burn doesn't mean it's nothing alike real fire, one question were,you,there when you said it's temperature is colder than open fire? How can you tell? As if you live in fairy tail anime and experienced natsus attacks, dude at the galena island arc Natsu was trapped in an ice ball and tried to even melt it but couldn't hell in the latest manga he melted the ice that trapped atlas flame If you,don't believe me check it,out,yourself Natsu as a child even mentioned that his fire does nothing but burn hell he even burned a fish

2. I am pretty sure every FT fans woul know Natsu attacks are fire, even ft haters

3.if it is coler than open fire explain to me how he melted ice that freed not just atlas flame but the giant aswell,

4.I think you need help

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because it burns fucking nothing not even clothes bro, they call it flames because that's what it's fucking called but that still doesn't explain shit. That's the only thing he burned and that still makes natsu's flame even more inconsistent. The ONLY thing he melted I should say, in the series. his flames are pathetic, manipulation is pathetic, his "flames' aren't fucking flames at all if you think about it, they are just literally beams, his attacks are either a freaking mouth beam, and putting aura NOT flames over his bodyRead more

holy shit, I'm laughing at how stupid you are, so his flames are fucking pathetic? Do you know that the ice he melted is not normal ice at all, that was ice from a devil slayer and not even atlas flames hellfire was able to melt it but Natsu did so, why would it burn natsu's clothes I'm pretty sure Natsu can control his flames, manipulation is pathetic? Your brain is pathetic and I am not Joking if his flames aren't even flames at all explain to me how he melted ice from an ice devil slayer, even if they don't burn, they can melt better than normal fire dude he literally burned a fish, and yeah I thought about it, I thought about how your born stupid and how fucking pathetic you are, you claim they're not flames because they don't burn, but I clearly stated that it melted ice to free atlas flame and that ice was from an ice devil slayer,Show less

natsu flames didnt melt that ice. Gray absorbed the ice.

either way, it doesn't matter that lunatic thinks it isnt fire, even if zancrow said it himself, the phantom dude who controls fire controled it, natsu tried to melt ice, natsu even dried himself with fire, everyone in fairy tail basically calls it fire that guy is densed as fuckShow less thanks for reminding me, I just looked, that didn't even melt the shuit, and when natsu did his attack he only broke it hahahaha, and it's weak anyway so yeah no. he burned a fish HAHAHAHAHA, but the second he uses his power he can't burn a FUCKING leaf hahaha, at least ace from one piece has REAL fire that properties are smoother, doesn't just create retarded ass craters which SHOULDN'T be done by fire in the first place which proves it's just a damn beam, ace WHEN he creates craters or destroys something he destroys it AND bruns and incinerates it, natsu only creates physical shit. I tried not to call you out but natsu was just shit from the get-go.http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130329235559/onepiece/fr/images/b/b1/Mera_Mera_Hibashira.gif real non forced fire that flows and actually looks dangerous http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oWZQasUQpBQ/UnmbYphkAxI/AAAAAAAAA44/LMc_X1Kl8_4/s640/gift2.gif he even can make it as small as this but deadlier then any bullet.http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20140504/5030052/enkai-hibashira-o.gif mini nuke.

now for natsuhttp://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1312336_o.gif no burning

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110326131159/fairytail/images/1/1a/Natsu_breaks_Gray's_Ice-Make_Shield.PNG it BREAKS not melt hahahaha

this is over, bye bye

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@reactor: I am so in your side here

@i_like_swords: If you can't take personal opinions that may or may not agree with your own opinions, do not read this review.

@saren: oh no no no, I copy-pasted it from my friend

@kyrees: heheheh I had some errands ok

Sorry I just got bored So I will just post this

If you can't take personal opinions that may or may not agree with your own opinions, do not read this review.

Let me make this very fine and clear first of all - if you dislike or hate Man of Steel, that's cool. There are legit and valid reasons to not like this movie - and even if you don't possibly have any but just feel it "didn't do it for you", that's fine to. It's your personal subjective opinion, and let no one take that away from you.

That being said, I am dead tired of all the unfair biased childish criticism I see Man of Steel get every now and then. And no one should feel bad about loving Man of Steel to death like I do either - once again, it's our subjective opinion, and no one should take that away from us.

So, let's go through the most unfair criticism this movie has recieved, from point to point.

* The Donner movies were better!

People, this is not Superman Returns... this movie isn't some crap made for the sake of kissing the asses of the first two theatrical Superman movies. Unlike Bryan Singer, Zack Snyder actually gives a crap about the comic books. In fact, he's a big time fan of superhero comics. Am I saying Richard Donner didn't give a shit about the comics? No. For all I care, he might have loved them. But his movies were made before the Superman reboot in 1984. Not until then, Superman got to get more consistent and more of what we know him from being in the animated series and the JLA series and the DC animated movies. The Donner movies had mostly the golden and silver age to work with, and a little of the bronze age. And not until 1986's The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen, and more international with 1989's Batman movie, people took superheroes more seriously.

You can love the Donner movies all you want... but the world has moved past that. We've matured beyond that. It doesn't work for a modern Superman to transform his outfit from Clark Kent to Superman while flying down a building anymore. It doesn't work for a modern Superman to throw out his "S" emblem like a weapon anymore. It doesn't work for a modern Superman to fly around the earth multiple times to go back in time.

No matter how much you love the Donner movies, they are more campy and cheesy, with a lot more clichés and predictability. They are made by the director of The Goonies, for crying out loud.

* Christopher Reeve's Superman is more likable and has more personality!

I found Henry Cavill's Superman incredibly likable. For some reason, people judge Henry Cavill's Superman for being more reckless and clumsy... so, in short, for having flaws and being a rookie. I could have personally done no better than him with his job if you ask me. It's so easy for people to judge flaws with a character they can't relate to. Comparing him to Tony Stark from Iron Man, he's not a womanizing alcoholic wise-cracking jerk - which I can assume that sadly a lot more people can relate to than a farmer dude who just wishes to try his best to be a good person, even though he has a lot to learn (disclaimer: I'm not saying I don't like Iron Man or Tony Stark as a character... mostly).

But confusingly enough, people still go as far as saying they love Christopher Reeve's Superman. Why is that? It seems to be a huge bias based on the fact that Donner's movies are viewed as classic masterpieces. And to me - there's no way in hell I could care more for Reeve's Superman than Cavill's Superman - especially not after the beyond epic "You think you can threaten my mother?!" scene. Then again, I guess that depends on personal taste. But neither of the two portrayals have more personality nor are more well-written - they're just done in different ways, neither one is better than the other.

* Too much destruction in this movie! Superman destroys more than he saves! Why isn't he making Zod and him fight in space or some place deserted?

Too much? Uhm... no. Just no. They have a world engine in the movie they explain properly WHY it affects the surface the way it does, and there are fights between KRYPTONIANS here! "Too much" my ass. And about Superman destroying too much... people, this has always happened. Read the comics, watch the animated series, watch the animated movies! They ALWAYS get a lot of buildings destroyed! Where have you been for the last two or three decades?! And if you want to go that far about it - most of the buildings were abandoned! And if you didn't notice, they DID fight in space for a moment, but Zod took them back down. And didn't you pay attention in the movie? Zod said he is going to DESTROY everything he loves and cares about. So, if Superman would fly somewhere else and try to bring him with him, Zod would just fly back and try to destroy everything.

But the thing is, people don't want to think in these aspects. People just want to complain. This is the first time someone (FINALLY) depicted this in a live action movie. It's now out for the main crowd to see - people who only pretend to be fans of Superman as a whole, but only focus on the Donner movies. You won't complain about this happening in the Superman comics or animated shows or movies - because that's not as popular to do. You're just trying to find things to complain about because the movie wasn't the way you expected it to be. In fact, that goes for a lot of these "arguments".

Hell, look at in The Avengers when Iron Man DELIBERATELY makes one of those huge flying monsters fly RIGHT THROUGH a building possibly filled with people in it, completely ruining it... and, no one ever talks about that?! HELLO?!!

* It's just meant for stupid CGI-loving people with short attention span and/or ADD!

Whoever says this... you are a horrible person. Truly, I mean this sincerely. You are a horrible heartless bigoted biased person. Personal opinions have nothing to do with what diagnosis you have. Having a short attention span or ADD does not make you have a more poor taste for movies.

And Man of Steel is taking it's time a lot to establish everything. It's not shown in a fast pace AT ALL. Look at the scene with Superman first wearing the costume and learning how to fly. It's a really calm scene allowing the atmosphere of the movie sink in to us. And hell, the prologue of the movie is 20 minutes long!

As for there being much CGI in this movie... maybe? But it looks great, and there's no more CGI here than in other blockbuster movies.

* Superman kills Zod is dumb, he didn't have to kill him - and/or it could have at least been done different!

It all makes sense if you try to think about it. I hear these obscure shit arguments about "durr, Superman could have just moved Zod's head out of the way a bit if he could snap his neck anyway!" - you know, not only was Superman in a pressured tight situation... but what must have been going through his head there is that Zod WILL never stop. He screams out for Zod to stop, and he says "Never.". No prison on Earth can hold Zod, and even if Superman drags out the fight more and even makes Zod unconscious, he would wake up and continue. He regretted it afterwards, screaming in agony and regret. People are bothered by him shrugging it off in later scenes... but why wouldn't he look that way? It shows him talk to the military and then decide to become a reporter far later. There was no scene fitting for him to grieve more over what he did - we don't know how much he thinks about it still, everyone deals with their emotions differently. We don't know further proof he feels bad about snapping Zod's neck and that it had to come to that - we already saw it!

And Superman has been forced to kill before, don't act like he hasn't.

* The fight scenes are bad, and you can't make out anything with the shaky cam!

... the fights are bad? Oh my god... oh my god. You know... it's in times like these I realize just how spoiled we are with movies. Yes, I am dead serious, some think the fight scenes are bad in this movie (like a certain online reviewer I won't name). Look... you CAN say the fights aren't your cup of tea, that you prefer different types of fight scenes. But to say they ARE bad? That's just a lie. And you can't make any of the fight out? I saw everything perfectly clear. Hell, the fight between Superman and Nam-Ek and Faora-Ul has to be THE most clear fight scene I have ever seen. I saw every single move - and the fact that they just a moving kinda shaking cam instead of having a lot of messy stupid cuts just helped. A LOT.

The "shakyness" of the cam never bothered me. Not even remotely. If anything, it made me feel more like I was in the movie, experiencing it. It wasn't exaggerated or overdone like in the "lost footage" genre of movies. "Shaky cam" feels like a trend to complain about, and I mostly don't get it.

* Why do we get a "Not-Ursa" called "Faora-Ul" in this movie?!

...... READ A COMIC BOOK!!! Or at least do some research, like I do! Faora-Ul is from the comics - Ursa was made out of nowhere. Faora has been in comics since the silver age - but Ursa? She hasn't been in any comics until 2007! Again, Zack Snyder is a fan of the comics... which is more than I can say about most of this movie's haters.

@dagmar_merrill: thank you

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@myrongains: wait what's wrong the fanboys claim