@sign89: Got any proof? I'd love to see any that would put SSBE anywhere near GoD level. Either show the scans or stop wasting everyone's time with your idiotic comments.
Haven't caught up on the DBS manga, now they're using super saiyan forms with UI and vegeta is some sort of godlike being out of nowhere? what a wank series lmao.
Haven't caught up on the DBS manga, now they're using super saiyan forms with UI and vegeta is some sort of godlike being out of nowhere? what a wank series lmao.
Might wanna catch up then because you're probably missing some context.
Haven't caught up on the DBS manga, now they're using super saiyan forms with UI and vegeta is some sort of godlike being out of nowhere? what a wank series lmao.
>Claims that he hasn't caught up with the DBS Manga.
>Doesn't know context about the new acquired powers.
Haven't caught up on the DBS manga, now they're using super saiyan forms with UI and vegeta is some sort of godlike being out of nowhere? what a wank series lmao.
>Claim that he hasn't caught up with the DBS Manga.
>Doesn't know context about the new acquired powers.
wHat a wAnK sERiEs lMaO.
CV folks never cease to amaze me.
SSJG Stacked with ultra instinct should give goku a much bigger buff than portrayed but ofc DBS scaling goes down the drain again, and fuck out of here with your shitty memes. You even told me to go outside but you have 13k posts like go touch a woman you actual weird fucking nerd lmao.
@actuallyvishnu: "Ultra Instinct" with relation to the lower forms just refers to the mental state and movement, not the limit breaking power associated with transformations like Ultra Instinct Sign and Perfected Ultra Instinct. And as Goku has said in the recent chapters, he hasn't mastered using the non-transformation UI with the lower forms yet.
SSBE Vegeta is absolutely not UI Omen level. Literally the only difference between current Vegeta and Moro Arc Vegeta is that now Vegeta just learned Hakai, and his understanding of it is very limited and basic. Feat wise. he still got murked by Beerus, which isn't any better than getting murked by Moro, a peer of UI Omen Goku. Bearing in mind, Moro, UI Omen Goku and Beerus are within the same league of each other.
On topic, SSB Goku is simply outmatched here, having passive UI won't close the massive power difference between the two.
@pandaemperoriv: This imaginary """GoD tier""" is your headcanon
Beerus >>> New form Vegeta >>> Current SSBE >>> Jiren.
@jjunior01: Yeah I know.
Jiren fanboys are delusional and coping over mere SSBE Vegeta scaling WAY above him after Beerus' training. New form not included lol.
So now you're making up your own tiers and powerscaling lol. It's been an established tier for years and Jiren is confirmed high on that tier. Instead of spouting out nonsense why don't you actually show confirmation or feats? Is it because there aren't any? Is there any reason I shouldn't hand you your clown license right here and now? 🤣
Also stop kissing your own butt with alts. It's kind of embarrassing 🤦♀️
@noobsnowman: There's a massive difference in power between the current Vegeta and the one from the Moro arc. While 7-3 Moro managed to incapacitate Vegeta relatively easily, current Vegeta is able to go on par with Granolah who's significantly superior to him.
@enviid: If Vegeta's attacks did absolutely no physical damage to Moro before fusion, I think it's safe to say that 73 Moro could have killed Vegeta with ease whenever he wanted. I think people forget that Moro, even before fusion, possessed power that transcends the very gods, which basically puts his power within the domain of Gods of Destruction.
And I'm not convinced Granolah is superior to 73-Moro. If anything he is decisively inferior. At least, based on what he has displayed currently, he might be hiding a lot more than he has shown so far.
Vegeta should easily win. Using Ultra Instinct with the Super Saiyan forms doesn't grant a power boost, just the dodging hax in principle. Since SSBE Vegeta is stronger than UI Sign Goku, UI SSB Goku should get crapped on.
If Vegeta's attacks did absolutely no physical damage to Moro before fusion
If you're talking about FSS, Vegeta was only holding back his power to conserve energy since he didn't need it while separating the absorbed energy from Moro.
I think people forget that Moro, even before fusion, possessed power that transcends the very gods, which basically puts his power within the domain of Gods of Destruction.
Pre-73 Moro is not on the level of GoD's at all really. At least for Beerus, we see him deal with a Post-Moro arc Vegeta even easier than 73 Moro did. While an untrained UI Omen Goku was going blow-for-blow with Jiren momentarily, an even stronger UI Omen Goku was beaten by a Prime Moro who considered SSGSSE Vegeta to be a better meal.
And I'm not convinced Granolah is superior to 73-Moro.
A Granolah clone is much superior to 73 Moro.
If anything he is decisively inferior. At least, based on what he has displayed currently, he might be hiding a lot more than he has shown so far.
Granolah's CLONE and 7-3 Moro had the same showings against MUI Goku. The only difference was that the MUI Goku Moro fought was much weaker because Goku spent a considerable amount of time training with Whis.
If you're talking about FSS, Vegeta was only holding back his power to conserve energy since he didn't need it while separating the absorbed energy from Moro.
Based on what was he holding back? There is absolutely no proof that he was holding back.
And I think you're forgetting the fact that Moro allowed Vegeta to hit him. Moro had no idea that Vegeta had that new technique, otherwise Vegeta would have gotten spanked.
Pre-73 Moro is not on the level of GoD's at all really. At least for Beerus, we see him deal with a Post-Moro arc Vegeta even easier than 73 Moro did.
Um no, Moro 73 disposed Vegeta as easily as Beerus did. Moro 73 was practically toying with Vegeta, easily dodging all of his attacks and grappled on his neck with one swift maneuver, before casually rendering Vegeta helpless in seconds. If that does not demonstrate an effortless slaughter then I don't know what does.
While an untrained UI Omen Goku was going blow-for-blow with Jiren momentarily, an even stronger UI Omen Goku was beaten by a Prime Moro who considered SSGSSE Vegeta to be a better meal.
Moro said that Vegeta would be the finest meal yet yes, but he didn't even absorb Goku, the Androids attacked Moro before he could. So Vegeta is stronger than everyone he absorbed so far, which is true, but did not happen to include Goku.
And UI Omen Goku isn't stronger when he fought Moro, he only had more readily access to the form. That's the entire point of his training with Merus, to be able to access the form at will and conserve stamina while in the form. Previously he could only access the form situationally, he couldn't access it at will.
A Granolah clone is much superior to 73 Moro.
Doubt. 73 Moro is established to be superior to Jiren, and by extension, Beerus. Granolah so far has demonstrated nothing that puts him on Beerus' level, let alone 73 Moro's level.
Granolah's CLONE and 7-3 Moro had the same showings against MUI Goku. The only difference was that the MUI Goku Moro fought was much weaker because Goku spent a considerable amount of time training with Whis
You cannot be serious, right?
Goku was not training with Whis before engaging with Moro, he was trained by Merus, and was completely healed before going MUI. I'm pretty sure you're referring to Granolah, but even then, Goku was well rested before his fight against Granolah.
Sure, Granolah and Moro were similarly outclassed, but that does not mean that they are similar to each other in terms of power, it only shows that both are sorely outclassed compared to Goku.
Based on what was he holding back? There is absolutely no proof that he was holding back.
I'm saying he was holding back his own Ki in order to conserve energy because it was completely unnecessary to exert an excess amount if he was draining life-energy from Moro. We know this is true because Moro considered Vegeta to be a better meal than UI Omen Goku, who momentarily, he was evenly matched with.
And I think you're forgetting the fact that Moro allowed Vegeta to hit him. Moro had no idea that Vegeta had that new technique, otherwise Vegeta would have gotten spanked.
He may have allowed Vegeta to get the hits on him at first but it doesn't mean that Moro would have blitz'd him.
Um no, Moro 73 disposed Vegeta as easily as Beerus did. Moro 73 was practically toying with Vegeta, easily dodging all of his attacks and grappled on his neck with one swift maneuver, before casually rendering Vegeta helpless in seconds. If that does not demonstrate an effortless slaughter then I don't know what does.
What are you trying to prove here? Beerus dealt with a stronger Vegeta even better than 7-3 Moro did. After that, he ended up training him to the point where SSGSSE Vegeta can contend with someone roughly on the level of MUI Goku. Unless you're trying to say that Goku/Vegeta>Beerus (which has recently been proven false in an interview) it's wrong.
Moro said that Vegeta would be the finest meal yet yes, but he didn't even absorb Goku, the Androids attacked Moro before he could. So Vegeta is stronger than everyone he absorbed so far, which is true, but did not happen to include Goku.
Even if Moro didn't absorb UI Omen Goku's ki, he still realizes the parameters of Gokus ki in comparison with Vegetas. He was intent on absorbing Gokus ki and knew the potency of his aura; yet he still considers Vegeta a better meal.
And UI Omen Goku isn't stronger when he fought Moro, he only had more readily access to the form.
Flat-out wrong.
If he's stronger after the events of Broly, then his UI Omen is definitely stronger than its TOP self.
Hell, Base Goku during the Moro arc was speedblitzing Gohan who was roughly equivalent to SSGSS Goku during the TOP.
Doubt. 73 Moro is established to be superior to Jiren, and by extension, Beerus. Granolah so far has demonstrated nothing that puts him on Beerus' level, let alone 73 Moro's level.
7-3 Moro being superior to Jiren would make both Beerus and Granolah levels ahead of Jiren. Granolah's clone actually has better feats than 7-3 Moro. We see them both deal with Goku's Kamehameha.
Gallery
Moro gets his arm vaporized. Juxtapose this with Granolah who albeit was injured, did not suffer any major damage from an even stronger using SSGSS with Ultra instinct.
Sure, Granolah and Moro were similarly outclassed, but that does not mean that they are similar to each other in terms of power, it only shows that both are sorely outclassed compared to Goku.
Across the board, they have similar showings against Goku in both SSGSS and MUI. The only difference is that Granolah is fighting a stronger Goku than the one 7-3 Moro is fighting, and that Granolahs true body managed to one-shot MUI after finding an opening. Something not even Angel Moro could do.
I'm saying he was holding back his own Ki in order to conserve energy because it was completely unnecessary to exert an excess amount if he was draining life-energy from Moro. We know this is true because Moro considered Vegeta to be a better meal than UI Omen Goku, who momentarily, he was evenly matched with.
He may have allowed Vegeta to get the hits on him at first but it doesn't mean that Moro would have blitz'd him.
Considering that Vegeta's hits did absolutely no damage, and only started to cause damage when Moro started to weaken from FSF, Moro would have absolutely blitzed Vegeta before he could react if he was not drained.
What are you trying to prove here? Beerus dealt with a stronger Vegeta even better than 7-3 Moro did. After that, he ended up training him to the point where SSGSSE Vegeta can contend with someone roughly on the level of MUI Goku. Unless you're trying to say that Goku/Vegeta>Beerus (which has recently been proven false in an interview) it's wrong.
Except that Vegeta was not stronger when he faced Beerus. There is no evidence that he got any better. If your answer is 'training' then if there is no focal point to the training then there are multiple instances when fighters barely grew, if at all, from training. Fighters only grow significantly stronger if there is a focus behind the training, eg. Goku/Gohan mastering SSJ in HTC to prepare against Cell, Vegeta perfecting SSB when sparring against Beerus, etc.
Goku is factually better than Beerus, because he is above Jiren, in which there are multiple statements that points to Jiren's superiority over GoDs. Vegeta, not so much, he is still obviously decisively inferior.
If he's stronger after the events of Broly, then his UI Omen is definitely stronger than its TOP self.
??????????
The narrator was referring to the Saiyans referring emerged stronger from the events from the ToP, the Broly Arc is irrelevant in the context of that statement. Yes, they got stronger but its because they got access to new forms. Just because the picture behind the narration happens to be Broly fighting the Saiyans does not mean that the narratior refers to it specifically.
How can you possibly get that wrong?
Hell, Base Goku during the Moro arc was speedblitzing Gohan who was roughly equivalent to SSGSS Goku during the TOP.
Wrong.
The context behind that scan is that Goku was concealing his use of Ul Omen when blitzing Saganbo, that form was why he was moving at abnormal speeds. Base Goku was completely irrelevant to the scan you showed. Moro figured out later that it was not in Blue that Goku blitzed Saganbo, it was a level significantly higher than that.
And second, Gohan is not equal to ToP MSSB Goku. He is still decisively inferior if he is only equal to Kefla, Kefla's power at the time is still not at the level of MSSB. Kefla's power was relative to Kale's as per Vado's statement, and Frieza noted that he could take out Kale if he fought seriously.
7-3 Moro being superior to Jiren would make both Beerus and Granolah levels ahead of Jiren.
Except that Jiren has accolades that puts him above Gods of Destruction, Beerus included. Are you trying to completely disregard factual statements in pursuit of your own flawed narrative, especially when these statements have been around for years?
Granolah's clone actually has better feats than 7-3 Moro. We see them both deal with Goku's Kamehameha. Moro gets his arm vaporized. Juxtapose this with Granolah who albeit was injured, did not suffer any major damage from an even stronger using SSGSS with Ultra instinct.
Alright, you're taking scans out of context to put forth distorted information and misrepresented showings.
You're deliberately omitting the very scan right after Goku vaporized his arm. Guess what happened next? Moro gave him the very same treatment Perfect Cell gave to Vegeta, he revealed that he took absolutely no damage, regenerated his arm and dealt a fatal blow on Goku. And Granolah? He struggled immensely against Goku and they were relatively even for the most part. You seriously cannot kid yourself in telling me that their performances are in any way similar.
Passive Ultra Instinct is irrelevant here, it only enables Goku to evade blows better and improve the stamina usage of his actual MUI form. The only difference between MSSB Goku currently and during the Moro arc is his increased defensive capabilities awarded from UI. And since we are talking about offensive power, its irrelevant.
Across the board, they have similar showings against Goku in both SSGSS and MUI. The only difference is that Granolah is fighting a stronger Goku than the one 7-3 Moro is fighting, and that Granolahs true body managed to one-shot MUI after finding an opening. Something not even Angel Moro could do.
Let me get this straight:
1. Current MUI Goku is not stronger than Moro Arc MUI Goku. Hell, he isn't even stronger from the ToP Arc. The only difference is that Goku has more readily and conscious access to the form. The one problem with MUI before was that by his own admission, Goku was unable to access the form at will, and with the recent arcs he circumvented the problem entirely through his training with Merus. The second problem is his stamina usage and how he gradually gets weaker with time, which was a problem during the ToP and is still a problem currently, and the point of Goku's training with Whis now is to circumvent that issue (by training Goku to use UI passively so he can conserve stamina in his MUI form).
2. Granolah's victory over Goku was completely circumstantial. Granolah had to wait until Goku's UI weakened, because Goku himself arrogantly/foolishly chose to plead Granolah to stop fighting and wanted him to be a good sparring partner, thus letting his guard down and letting his form wear out its power. It is clear from the initial fight that, power for power, Goku completely outclassed Granolah, and Goku had the power to crush the clone Granolah if he wanted. Goku also had no knowledge that Granolah was hiding another body, and when Vegeta pointed it out, Goku was caught off guard about the fact and let his guard down, which resulted in Granolah landing that pressure point attack in the first place. So Granolah only took down Goku because a. Goku let his guard down b. Goku was too arrogant and pleader Granolah to stop fighting, and c. Goku had no knowledge that he was only fighting a clone. Not in any way a testament of Granolah's strength.
Angel Moro on the other hand couldn't do that because you forget that Moro couldn't contain his Angel power, and Merus' power consumed him before Goku's own form wore out. And even in his planet form, Goku was completely unable to make any headway in defeating Moro either, and Moro would have killed Goku if Vegeta did not restore Goku's power via a reverse application of Force Spirit Fission.
3. Their performances against MSSB Goku is not similar for reasons already addressed.
Who says Current MUI Goku (Granolah the survivor Saga) isn't stronger than ToP and Moro Arc MUI? That's one of the funniest jokes I've heard because that blatantly goes against Dragon Ball's logic and author statements.
Yeah, to assume Current MUI Goku is not stronger than Top MUI Goku when upwards to 6 months has gone by since ToP arc minimal.
With that being said, Vegeta was able to handle prime Moro pretty easily comparable to Omen Goku who was pretty much stomped. Crying about Vegeta's ability of FSF excuse, no one seems to mention how Moro was only win against Vegeta and Goku because he was passively draining them. Vegeta wins here he is much more Haxed, Omen will give Goku a chance but eventually the effectiveness of the form will decrease and Vegeta will beat him down.
And second, Gohan is not equal to ToP MSSB Goku. He is still decisively inferior if he is only equal to Kefla, Kefla's power at the time is still not at the level of MSSB. Kefla's power was relative to Kale's as per Vado's statement, and Frieza noted that he could take out Kale if he fought seriously.
7-3 Moro being superior to Jiren would make both Beerus and Granolah levels ahead of Jiren.
Except that Jiren has accolades that puts him above Gods of Destruction, Beerus included. Are you trying to completely disregard factual statements in pursuit of your own flawed narrative, especially when these statements have been around for years?
Granolah's clone actually has better feats than 7-3 Moro. We see them both deal with Goku's Kamehameha. Moro gets his arm vaporized. Juxtapose this with Granolah who albeit was injured, did not suffer any major damage from an even stronger using SSGSS with Ultra instinct.
Alright, you're taking scans out of context to put forth distorted information and misrepresented showings.
You're deliberately omitting the very scan right after Goku vaporized his arm. Guess what happened next? Moro gave him the very same treatment Perfect Cell gave to Vegeta, he revealed that he took absolutely no damage, regenerated his arm and dealt a fatal blow on Goku. And Granolah? He struggled immensely against Goku and they were relatively even for the most part. You seriously cannot kid yourself in telling me that their performances are in any way similar.
Passive Ultra Instinct is irrelevant here, it only enables Goku to evade blows better and improve the stamina usage of his actual MUI form. The only difference between MSSB Goku currently and during the Moro arc is his increased defensive capabilities awarded from UI. And since we are talking about offensive power, its irrelevant.
Across the board, they have similar showings against Goku in both SSGSS and MUI. The only difference is that Granolah is fighting a stronger Goku than the one 7-3 Moro is fighting, and that Granolahs true body managed to one-shot MUI after finding an opening. Something not even Angel Moro could do.
Let me get this straight:
1. Current MUI Goku is not stronger than Moro Arc MUI Goku. Hell, he isn't even stronger from the ToP Arc. The only difference is that Goku has more readily and conscious access to the form. The one problem with MUI before was that by his own admission, Goku was unable to access the form at will, and with the recent arcs he circumvented the problem entirely through his training with Merus. The second problem is his stamina usage and how he gradually gets weaker with time, which was a problem during the ToP and is still a problem currently, and the point of Goku's training with Whis now is to circumvent that issue (by training Goku to use UI passively so he can conserve stamina in his MUI form).
2. Granolah's victory over Goku was completely circumstantial. Granolah had to wait until Goku's UI weakened, because Goku himself arrogantly/foolishly chose to plead Granolah to stop fighting and wanted him to be a good sparring partner, thus letting his guard down and letting his form wear out its power. It is clear from the initial fight that, power for power, Goku completely outclassed Granolah, and Goku had the power to crush the clone Granolah if he wanted. Goku also had no knowledge that Granolah was hiding another body, and when Vegeta pointed it out, Goku was caught off guard about the fact and let his guard down, which resulted in Granolah landing that pressure point attack in the first place. So Granolah only took down Goku because a. Goku let his guard down b. Goku was too arrogant and pleader Granolah to stop fighting, and c. Goku had no knowledge that he was only fighting a clone. Not in any way a testament of Granolah's strength.
Angel Moro on the other hand couldn't do that because you forget that Moro couldn't contain his Angel power, and Merus' power consumed him before Goku's own form wore out. And even in his planet form, Goku was completely unable to make any headway in defeating Moro either, and Moro would have killed Goku if Vegeta did not restore Goku's power via a reverse application of Force Spirit Fission.
3. Their performances against MSSB Goku is not similar for reasons already addressed.
Lol
ToP kale almost ring CSSB goku out along with vegeta and toppo
Smacked frieza around
Frieza saying he can take her mean no shit because he said it to Toppo, jiren, namek goku, broly after they Smacked him
This gohan is a world different from his ToP self and did better than CSSB goku did to a holding back jiren
Doesn't apply here. I already provided evidence of SSGSSE Vegeta being superior to UI Omen Goku.
Considering that Vegeta's hits did absolutely no damage, and only started to cause damage when Moro started to weaken from FSF, Moro would have absolutely blitzed Vegeta before he could react if he was not drained.
There's no reason to believe that Prime Moro would blitz Vegeta so easily. Moro allowing himself to be hit by Vegeta doesn't justify this, and neither does Moro being drained.
Except that Vegeta was not stronger when he faced Beerus.
There are countless times where Saiyans have gotten stronger from training, recovering from hard fought battles, and anger boosts. Both being true in this case but even if it wasn't, it wouldn't change the premise of my argument being that part of my premise relies on Vegeta being stomped.
Goku is factually better than Beerus, because he is above Jiren, in which there are multiple statements that points to Jiren's superiority over GoDs. Vegeta, not so much, he is still obviously decisively inferior.
It's already stated in an interview that Goku is flat-out weaker than Beerus.
It's completely reasonable to think that Jiren is at the bottom of the pole currently. The hype of being stronger than Beerus has been long since retconned by proxy of Beerus's own power being retconned.
The narrator was referring to the Saiyans referring emerged stronger from the events from the ToP, the Broly Arc is irrelevant in the context of that statement. Yes, they got stronger but its because they got access to new forms. Just because the picture behind the narration happens to be Broly fighting the Saiyans does not mean that the narratior refers to it specifically.
How can you possibly get that wrong?
You seriously need to read the panel again.
My first question to ask is why the hell you would think that this panel indicates any contextual references to the ToP when it flat-out shows and says that the trouble caused by FRIEZA is the precedent for the incident where they fight Broly. You're also completely wrong, Goku didn't have access to any new forms post-ToP. UI Omen and MUI were one-time occurrences until he trained with Merus.
It's pretty asinine to actually think that the narrators referring to the events of the ToP when he says verbatim that the tale is caused by Frieza. Unbelievable.
The context behind that scan is that Goku was concealing his use of Ul Omen when blitzing Saganbo, that form was why he was moving at abnormal speeds. Base Goku was completely irrelevant to the scan you showed. Moro figured out later that it was not in Blue that Goku blitzed Saganbo, it was a level significantly higher than that.
After reviewing chapter 58 again I'll admit that you're right but the imperceptible speeds for Goku during that arc still proves my point that Goku and Vegeta get stronger and faster throughout the story's progression. Even if you ignore the whole jargon about "newer forms" which they didn't have access to until they fought Moro on earth.
Gallery
For instance, we know that the speeds at which Goku fought Jiren at during the TOP were perceivable by the main cast. It isn't until Goku starts matching Jirens own determination that they become indiscernible by the main cast.
And second, Gohan is not equal to ToP MSSB Goku. He is still decisively inferior if he is only equal to Kefla, Kefla's power at the time is still not at the level of MSSB. Kefla's power was relative to Kale's as per Vado's statement, and Frieza noted that he could take out Kale if he fought seriously.
I'll also admit I was wrong concerning this topic however it would still take either Goku or Frieza effort to beat either fighters.
Except that Jiren has accolades that puts him above Gods of Destruction, Beerus included. Are you trying to completely disregard factual statements in pursuit of your own flawed narrative, especially when these statements have been around for years?
It's been and is being retconned with recent arcs and interviews. Even the current arc retains enough evidence that Granolah>>Jiren from ToP.
You're deliberately omitting the very scan right after Goku vaporized his arm. Guess what happened next? Moro gave him the very same treatment Perfect Cell gave to Vegeta, he revealed that he took absolutely no damage, regenerated his arm and dealt a fatal blow on Goku.
It doesn't matter if he regenerated his arm, him blocking it with his arm was anticipating an attack that was capable of debilitating him. If he didn't deflect it with his arm and the attack hit his head, he'd likely have died seeing that Namekians can die the same way.
He struggled immensely against Goku and they were relatively even for the most part. You seriously cannot kid yourself in telling me that their performances are in any way similar.
I was talking about MUI Gokus performance against both 7-3 Moro and Granolah's clone. They both got stomped, the only difference being that Granolah's clone fought a stronger Goku with better mastery over MUI. Whis, Beerus, and Goku all say that the initial state of MUI can be perfected even more. Even while fighting, Goku was doing it; it's preposterous to believe that the months he spent training with Whis that he didn't make the moves even more efficient.
Passive Ultra Instinct is irrelevant here, it only enables Goku to evade blows better and improve the stamina usage of his actual MUI form. The only difference between MSSB Goku currently and during the Moro arc is his increased defensive capabilities awarded from UI. And since we are talking about offensive power, its irrelevant.
Passive Ultra instinct has all but replaced UI Omen. Goku's usage of passive UI just allows him to increase the energy output of his other forms like SSGSS.
Gallery
But let's ignore UI Omen for now, let's ignore the increase in strength as well. do you think that Moro who had his limb vaporized by a Kamehameha would survive the same attack towards his face or body? Granolah got up with pretty non-critical injuries from the same attack.
Gallery
If the attack was aimed at Moro's chest, it would have turned him into a donut. If it was aimed at his head, it likely would have killed him. The same can't be said for Granolah who took the attack head-on without the loss of any limbs.
Current MUI Goku is not stronger than Moro Arc MUI Goku. Hell, he isn't even stronger from the ToP Arc. The only difference is that Goku has more readily and conscious access to the form.
Proof? There's more than enough for the opposite being true. He wasn't even good enough to properly wield it during the ToP like he was during his fight with Moro or Granolah. His base is also much stronger now so it is undeniably stronger than it was during the ToP.
2.
This doesn't prove at all why Moro would be stronger. Goku was even more careless with Moro as than he was with Granolah and he STILL didn't get one-shotted out of the form. Remember this?
Goku literally let himself get hit by Moro.
After this he reverts to Base and gives Moro the same pep-talk that he did to Granolah about training. Moro could have went at any time there to do the same attack but he didn't because he knew that he'd be incapacitated by Goku and sent to prison.
The only difference that occurs when Granolah actually attempts to strike at Goku is that it works.
Even if you ignored EVERYTHING here, the Dragon Toronbo's wish already ensured that Granolah become the strongest warrior in Universe 7. This wish didn't exclude Goku or any of his forms, it took all but the deities in to consideration.
Log in to comment