Bane vs Slade Wilson

@banegeist: It doesn't matter whose fault it is. I actually like some of the geists but they still don't have a good reputation

@jayc1324: preach. The dialogue is terrible. The acting is terrible. It's on the CW for a reason. Name one great show that came from the CW.

Any version of Slade beats any version of Bane.

@erik: Arkham origins slade loses to arkham origins bane

@tbemrmccoy: Finally! Someone agrees with me on this for once.

If Batman beat him, then DS could.

@erik: Arrow Slade without Mirakuru, at this point in my opinion loses to TDKR Bane in flat out H2H (he wins with Mirakuru). Comic Deathstroke stomps Comic Bane though.

So wait... Arrow Slade is being seriously overhyped then if he can't beat someone like Nolan Bane.

I don't think he's being 'overhyped', only without mirakuru do I see Bane winning H2H. Nolan Bane was very odd for the Nolanverse, the third movie was by far the least realistic of the trilogy and Bane's strength was definitely unrealistic.

I don't know about that. People can do a lot of things when on painkillers. Every one of his feats probably resulted in personal injury but since he is numb, who's going to care, right? I think Bruce was the better fighter. Bane just couldn't be hurt.

He was, out of the entire trilogy the third one did not add up in terms of realism. Bane was able to punch through those pillars and cracked a man's neck with one arm (the TDKR subtitles say it was a crack, the TDKR script also shows the intention to be a crack).

Even if the painkillers did help, Bruce was going to lose that second fight. He was able to clip his mask with his gauntlet and pulled one of the tubes out:

Those gauntlets helped him in every film of the trilogy, in Begins he cut Ra's sword, in TDK he cut Joker's face and threw him off the construction site and in TDKR it conveniently helped him yet again.

In the Arrow episode, The Scientist Barry Allen says that it takes 1250lbs of pressure (or torque, something like that) to crack someone's neck with one arm. Either this was a reference to TDKR (as the feat described was the exact same done by Bane) or a coincidence, but if so it puts Bane's strength at beyond human levels, even by Arrow standards:

2:00

@frozen: As a fierce study of human anatomy, I can tell you that Bane did not crack the man's neck in the sewers. He crushed the throat, which requires no superhuman strength to do. The punching of the pillar is about as super strength as Bruce kicking through one and Bane almost certainly broke most, if not all the bones in his hand. Also, it didn't seem like Bruce was losing to me. They were matched in strength on the second fight and Batman was getting more hits in. Again, Bane just couldn't feel them until Bruce started to hit the mask. Whether or not it was by accident is irrelevant. Slade is supposed to be able to make connections with far more ease than Batman can, especially a Bruce that's not even a genius.

The scientist in Arrow is wrong lol. The strength required to break someone's neck doesn't change if you are using one arm or two and besides, Bane didn't snap a neck with one hand anyway. He did snap one with two hands though, twice. When Bane fought Bruce in the second fight, you can see that Bane was equal to Bruce in strength when they locked hands and Bruce actually overpowered Bane in that one contest of strength to get his hand loose and punch Bane.

Bane is human. Strictly. He just feels no pain, so it doesn't hurt when he pushes his body too far.

@erik: But batman also beat slade. Batman always beats bane but loses to slade most times so if this slade is weak enough to lose to batman then he should lose to bane. Bane even appeared to be stronger than this slade.

Sure. And Slade wrecked Batman with ease three other times. Batman was allowed to live.

@erik: I'm talking about in the game. Batman destroyed slade in the game.

Never played but if Slade was supposed to be based on his comic book counterpart, that would be impossible.

Supposedly, he was only supposed to crush his windpipe but the official TDKR script (done by Nolan and co) shows the intention to be a crack and the subtitles describe it is a crack.

Though the script was tweaked, the intention was that it was a crack.

The subtitles re-enforced it.

They weren't matched in strength, Bane was smacking Batman around. Batman was able to break out of Bane's grip but he was barely keeping up with Bane, Bane was never phased, clipping his mask was the real game changer.

He isn't supposed to be exact to the point, it's fiction - if we take Bane's feat and apply it to Arrow (it was the exact same feat seen in Arrow), then that we can gauge his strength level. When did he snap it with two?

This version of Slade without mirakuru is not as comparable to the comic version.

@frozen: Look where bane grabbed the guys neck. The spine is at the back of the neck and bane grabbed the front. It looks more like he crushed his windpipe despite what the script says

@erik: Unless batman oneshotted him like he did before. But yes the slade in that game, while still being a total badass, was a little weaker than his comic version. But its not like they are gonna have batman lose in his own game so its understandable

@frozen:

• I don't really care what the script says. What is on screen is not a neck snap.
• Right. Bane just let Batman overpower him in their second fight.
• Bane was smacking Batman around and vice versa.
• Bane was never phased because of his inability to feel pain. Being phased by something has nothing to do with strength.
• He snaps the scientist's neck and the guy that thought he had "power over" Bane. There is no need to apply Bane's feat to what Arrow scientist said because Bane didn't snap the neck. FYI, the cartilage in the windpipe makes a crushing noise when it is forced to collapse.

Sneaking up on Slade and hitting him without him expecting it is not beating him.

@erik: technically i would say it is.

No it isn't. If you were sitting on your computer typing a reply to me and I snuck into your house and broke a chair over the back of your head, would you later say I beat you in a fight?

@erik:

• Many things in the trilogy did not match with reality, but we cannot disregard the intention shown, I am not surprised it doesn't match what should have happened, here is the screenshot of the actual scene with subtitles:

• No he didn't, but Batman had the will to fight. Do you honestly think they were equal in strength? Batman never showed that kind of strength before, even if they were the same strength, not only does that put Batman's strength at a high level but Bane exerted it more efficiently (due to the mask)
• Batman was literally getting knocked around. Bane knocks him down with a kick

• Batman got a few good hits but he didn't truly hurt him until he clipped his mask
• No it doesn't, but if anything it enhanced the way he used his strength. Made it much more effective
• He did so in a different motion. I think you missed my point - Barry Allen in Arrow is referring to the exact same feat shown in the sewer, a man on mirakuru did THAT exact same feat and that was measured at 1250lbs of pressure, not the other neck cracks. The man with mirakuru replicated the sewer feat shown by Bane and it was 1250lbs of pressure, the exact same feat done by Bane

@erik: I would say you beat me, but it was cheap and wasn't a fair fight

@frozen:

• So you are telling me that someone's neck snapped when the only part of the neck that was held is the throat? Amazing. Does that mean Bane could have snapped Bruce's neck when Bane grabbed his fist? Might as well entertain the possibility since you want me to take the sound of something cracking as a broken neck... even though I have already informed you that the trachea makes a snapping noise when it collapses.
• That kind of strength? Were you watching the fight? They were evenly matched. How are you going to judge wills in this match when Bane is doing it for love? You are making things up at this point.
• The gif is nice but it only proves that Bane can kick.
• I don't care how hurt Bane was. I already explained how that doesn't matter. Strength and the ability to take a hit are in no way the same thing. Like... at all.
• Funny that with this so-called enhanced strength, Bane failed to overpower Bruce.
• Barry Allen in the show is apparently not an anatomist.

No you would say that it wasn't a fight at all. A fight is to take part in a violent struggle. You didn't take part in my example. You were the victim of an assault. There is a distinction.

@erik:

• I am saying that we should not disregard what was shown, every source alluded that it was a crack. Many instances in the trilogy did not make sense at all, but with that specific instance, the sources alluded that he cracked it. I do not expect it to make much sense
• No they weren't. Batman is getting smacked around, he breaks Bane's grip at 02:09:41 of the movie and barely gets any hits, Bane then headbutts Batman's chest and sends him backwards, then Batman clips his mask. That was a very brief moment
• He was making Batman stumble around, Bruce didn't do that to Bane until the mask was broken
• And I am saying that his mask made his strength more effective, in a sense
• He was going to beat him until Bruce clipped his mask
• The show is finctional

@erik: I couldve sensed you sneaking up on me or simply gotten back up and fought you. But I think the fact that batman is strong enough to one shot slade means something

• I'm not disregarding what was shown. I am giving you an educated assessment of what was shown as opposed to your hopeful interpretation of what was shown. Not every source alludes to a broken neck. "Neck snap" is vague as hell. The neck can snap without any bones being broken. You are never going to see subtitles that say, "trachea snaps" because most people don't have a clue what that is.
• Batman gets smacked around, so does Bane. They both hit each other several times. LOL right, barely gets hits in. I guess we are watching different movies. I just counted up every strike and block. Batman blocks 13 strikes and gets hit by 15 while Bane blocks 1 and gets hit by 20. I didn't bother counting all the missed strikes that Batman simply dodged. It was clear that Batman hit Bane more and had a much higher hit percentage.
• I don't understand why you have such a hard time with this but painkillers do not make you a more capable fighter. Batman had the clear advantage in combat ability. Bane only had a numbness to pain and once that was taken from him, he folded like a napkin.
• Actually, that's not true. Both were fatigued at about half way through the fight, before Batman hit the mask.
• Didn't seem like Bane was going to beat him at all. He was equally fatigued and had less strength than Batman and was less capable of a fighter. By the tally, a much less capable fighter.
• Fictional is irrelevant. Barry Allen is clearly not a specialist with human anatomy.

Let's just say for the sake of an argument that you did sense me. It doesn't matter because you still never participated in the fight. You were assaulted. As for the one shot... well no. Anyone can be knocked out when hit from behind without having a chance to defend themselves. A well placed hit can drop the hardiest of fighters if the one doing the striking can line it up properly.

@erik: So a regular human one shotting an enhanced human with enhanced durability and a healing factor isn't impressive to you?

Batman is not a regular human. He's as regular as Captain America is.

@erik: Well batman has no enhancements unlike cap

They are both peak. Only Cap doesn't have gear that increases striking power like Batman does.

What the hell were they doing during the editing phase of TKDR? Bane kicks with his right leg but the scene transition shows him doing it with his left.

This is as bad as the clumsy thugs and the day to night transition that happened in the span of a single short chase.

@vmole said:

What the hell were they doing during the editing phase of TKDR? Bane kicks with his right leg but the scene transition shows him doing it with his left.

This is as bad as the clumsy thugs and the day to night transition that happened in the span of a single short chase.

Bane kicks so hard, his right leg BECAME his left.

@erik:

• I am not really wishing for a hopeful interpretation, I am trying to explain that TDKR did not match with reality. It wasn't just his windpipe getting crushed, what the sources allude to is that his neck was physically cracked. I have no doubt that you know anatomy but I am not surprised that a comic book movie does match up, the script should be acknowledged as it gives us the writers intention of what happened to the thug. There isn't much more I can say really without repeating myself, you are disregarding the sources because you do not like them (regardless if they do not obviously match up with human anatomy, I do not need a biology lesson)
• Bane is not getting smacked around, at best he is being pushed back while Batman is stumbling. Even from the first barrage of punches, Bane is physically smacking Batman around. From the exact moment Batman breaks Bane's grip, Bane pushes a man out of the way and then headbutts Batman's chest, then Batman retracts a punch which clips his gauntlet. The period from when he breaks Bane's grip and clips his mask is very brief, and in that period it doesn't take long before the mask is clipped. He did better than he did the first time but they were not 'fighting evenly'. However, after he clipped his mask is when Batman took charge and hit Bane, not before it
• I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am arguing that with the mask, he fought more effectively without it he did not. Batman clipped it with his gauntlets and even prior to that, it took Batman a while before he clipped it
• What alluded to this? Batman was visibly fatigue, moreso than Bane, look at how Batman is stumbling back before he clips his mask
• Batman was the better fighter, but to be fair Bane was practically forcing Batman into a slugfest for much of the fight. Batman did better than he did the first time but clipping his mask was luck. I agree that after his mask was clipped, Batman won but before that I do not see how it was even. I will post the GIFS:

^ He gets a few good hits here but contrary to your claim, they were not nearly as effective as Bane's

They are not fighting evenly before the mask is clipped. Also note that Batman's willpower meant something here, it explains why he was stabbed through the plates by Talia but still shrugged it off (armor was vulnerable to that)

• Fictional is certainly not irrelevant. Much of what takes place in comic book movies does not make sense, it's a fictional show

• It matches practically with reality.
• WRONG! That is what you want the source to allude to. That is your interpretation. An incorrect interpretation at that. Nothing you have presented proves that more than his trachea was crushed. Not a thing. The script is literally worthless when compared to what is actually shown on screen.
• Um... yeah, Bane was. I already gave you the tally. Blow for blow Batman had a definitive win. Don't talk to me about the fight when you are only cherry-picking fractions of it.
• The period where Batman breaks Bane's grip is brief but that doesn't matter at all. It happened and it proved superior strength.
• You don't see exactly what breaks Bane's mask, you only hope it is the gauntlets. We see Batman strike and the mask is broken. The angle does not allow us to see what it was that broke the mask but it's tiny pieces of metal on a specialized piece of equipment. How much do you want to bet that it is a delicate piece of equipment, relatively speaking?
• You can tell with Bane. Bane's strikes become labored and he takes moments before striking while swaying. These are tell-tale signs of fatigue in any fight. You can see this every day when watching the octagon. Then there was the fact that Batman overpowered him and if Bane is as strong as you say, that could only have been done if he was fatigued more than Batman.
• It doesn't matter if clipping the mask was luck. I don't understand why you are stuck on that crap. Bane had no significant advantage before the mask was clipped. He might have been driving forward in the fight but so what? That kind of crap happens on the time in fights and it has little to do with who is winning. Batman landed, blocked, and dodged more hits than Bane did. Bane wasted strikes and eventually a weakness was exploited.
• I'm getting really tired of seeing your cherry-picking gifs. Here's the whole fight. I'm not an idiot. I can see that it was fairly even with Batman getting the edge.
• How do you know how effective the hits were? Bane doesn't register pain. He could have been critically damaged and we'd never know it.
• Yes, you're right. The fight wasn't even. Batman clearly was winning. More blocks, more dodges, more landed strikes.
• It is irrelevant because it's completely inaccurate and hyperbole. You want that BS claim to be considered fact, you are going to need to prove that it's fact. Because until then, I'm going to follow my education and it tells me that you are wrong.

@tbemrmccoy: Originals. Supernatural.

Slade 6/10

@erik:

• It matches practically with reality.

I disagree but I am going to leave the point here.

• WRONG! That is what you want the source to allude to. That is your interpretation. An incorrect interpretation at that. Nothing you have presented proves that more than his trachea was crushed. Not a thing. The script is literally worthless when compared to what is actually shown on screen.

You keep repeating yourself with this, it's not exactly MY interpretation, it is the writer's intention, the subtitles re-enforced it - it was always meant to be a crack, most of TDKR did not make sense but I feel the only reason you do not accept the script and subtitles is because you do not like it. The sources say ''crack'' - not 'crush windpipe'.

Um... yeah, Bane was. I already gave you the tally. Blow for blow Batman had a definitive win. Don't talk to me about the fight when you are only cherry-picking fractions of it.

I am not 'cherry picking' fractions. My GIFS were made from the YouTube video, specifically my GIF shows the entire Bane fight from the start up until his mask is broken. Not once was Bane stumbling all around the place, that was only until his mask was clipped.

The period where Batman breaks Bane's grip is brief but that doesn't matter at all. It happened and it proved superior strength.

It was moreso willpower, that explains why Batman was able to shrug off a stab wound. After he broke his grip and got a few ineffective hits, it didn't take long for Bane to headbutt him and send him stumbling.

• You don't see exactly what breaks Bane's mask, you only hope it is the gauntlets. We see Batman strike and the mask is broken. The angle does not allow us to see what it was that broke the mask but it's tiny pieces of metal on a specialized piece of equipment. How much do you want to bet that it is a delicate piece of equipment, relatively speaking?

Stop reaching. The original TDKR script was slightly different, but how his mask is clipped is described the same, the script itself says that his gauntlets did it:

The script is free online. Batman used his gauntlets against all of the villains in each of the three films. How can you not see that he clipped Bane?

• You can tell with Bane. Bane's strikes become labored and he takes moments before striking while swaying. These are tell-tale signs of fatigue in any fight. You can see this every day when watching the octagon. Then there was the fact that Batman overpowered him and if Bane is as strong as you say, that could only have been done if he was fatigued more than Batman.

Okay, he became fatigued - but not as much as Batman. Yes, Batman broke his grip, then look what happened, Bane headbutts him and sends him stumbling back flapping his arms around:

• It doesn't matter if clipping the mask was luck. I don't understand why you are stuck on that crap. Bane had no significant advantage before the mask was clipped. He might have been driving forward in the fight but so what? That kind of crap happens on the time in fights and it has little to do with who is winning. Batman landed, blocked, and dodged more hits than Bane did. Bane wasted strikes and eventually a weakness was exploited.

He did none of those things before the mask was clipped. The GIFS are set specifically from when they first start to fight to the mask clipping part, they are not cropped to a certain fraction. Just compare it to the video and you'll see, the first GIF shows Batman having no defense against a barrage of punches, the second shows him struggling and getting knocked down, it is only from the third where he gets a few good hits but that's it. He was barely dodging.

• I'm getting really tired of seeing your cherry-picking gifs. Here's the whole fight. I'm not an idiot. I can see that it was fairly even with Batman getting the edge.

I never claimed you were an idiot, but my GIFS are specifically set from 0:32-2:27 of that video (bar the scenes in between). Seriously, how can you claim they were cropped when they perfectly match the times I listed? Batman barely gets an edge, he's stumbling around and lands a few goods hit before getting headbutted to the chest.

• How do you know how effective the hits were? Bane doesn't register pain. He could have been critically damaged and we'd never know it.

Precisely my point. Bane with his mask was not registering pain, look at Batman's hits, the only one that had Bane in panic was the one that got his mask, prior to that none of them had Bane stumbling around.

• Yes, you're right. The fight wasn't even. Batman clearly was winning. More blocks, more dodges, more landed strikes.

I don't know which fight you were watching. He wasn't dodging, he was getting tagged in the first two GIFS alone. Nor was he countering well.

• It is irrelevant because it's completely inaccurate and hyperbole. You want that BS claim to be considered fact, you are going to need to prove that it's fact. Because until then, I'm going to follow my education and it tells me that you are wrong.

Have you seen Arrow?

But regarding the GIFS, I don't know why you claimed they were cropped when I specifically covered the very video you posted.

@frozen:

• I'll let you in on a secret. Directors don't have to follow a script word for word. It's why script-writers are not directors. The feat you are trying to say is a neck snapping feat is one, just not a vertebral neck snap.
• Wrong! I don't accept it because it didn't happen the way you say it happened. I would love for you to be able to prove that your version of what happened is even possible in any form or fashion. It can't. It's not a matter of being unlikely. It's f**king not even close to possible. The vertebra are not located on the anterior portion of the neck. Grabbing someone on the trachea and crushing will only break the trachea. In fact, the evidence that the director took a different route is made clear when what is in the script did not happen on the screen. The head of the man's neck did not tilt to the side. We never see it tilt at all. All we see is the man being grabbed around the trachea, a crushing sound that easily could be the trachea, and then it's over. Nothing was shown to be the vertebra. The subtitles don't even say vertebra. So why would I toss out all of human anatomy just because one script writer is clearly a buffoon that couldn't find his own a**hole? If the script writer wrote that Batman struck Bane with penis-fingers, would we just have to accept that is what Batman had on his hand? Even if it is never shown on screen? Hell no we wouldn't. The only difference between that example and the reality of the example under discussion is that everyone knows penis-fingers are impossible and few know, apparently, that the vertebra are posterior to the trachea. I'm not going to let some monkey's idiocy dictate what happened on screen, especially when it didn't play out how the script writer intended anyway.
• Good thing I never said Bane was stumbling around then, isn't it? Bane's strikes were slow enough near the end of that fight that I could have avoided them and I haven't seen the inside of a ring in more than a decade. From the moment that Batman overpowers Bane, Bane is slower, and you can hear how labored his strikes are every single time he throws them. He wasn't like that before. Painkillers don't give you stamina either lol. And yes you were cherry-picking. You only presented shots from the fight to make it look like the fight was one-sided. I gave you a complete tally of the entire fight and it tells a markedly different story than the one you were trying to sell me. Batman blocked and avoided more than half of whatever Bane threw and almost all of his landed and he landed more than Bane did as well. Bane was clearly losing that fight, despite his inability to feel pain up until late in the fight.
• That is BS nonsense. Willpower to overpower someone with supposedly superhuman strength? Get out of here with that. Either Bane has superhuman strength and he was overcome by Batman's 'willpower' or Bane didn't have superhuman strength and Batman was just stronger. Which one sounds like BS to you? I hope you have the good sense to say it is the latter. I can't express how angry you are making my by forcing me to fight for my most hated character by the way. You are not invited to my Christmas party, that's for sure.
• Do I need to go over the script BS again? Yeah? Okay sure. Script means d**k compared to the movie. The script can lay out detail after detail but the director doesn't have to do more than follow it as much as his heart tells him to. We never see the blades hit the mask. EVER. It's not a reach at all when it could have easily been his fist as much as it was the blades.
• How can I not see that he clipped Bane? Well.... because it didn't show that he did of course. Script is basically fan fiction next to what was shown on camera. It's not canon.
• Subjective opinion. You have no evidence as to who was more fatigued at any given moment. But if I admit that you were right in that Bane had superhuman strength, then Bane would have to be the one that was more fatigued in order for you to continue to be correct due to Batman being able to overpower Bane.
• LMAO a headbutt to the chest is going to cause someone to stumble back because of physics, not because he was hurt. It's a strike that covers a wide surface area. In other words, it pushed Batman back more than it hurt him.
• Yes he did. Bane drove forward. FACT. Batman blocked more strikes. FACT. Batman connected with more strikes. FACT. Bane blocked only one. FACT. What was it that I am lying about then? I don't care about your gifs. I have the whole fight loaded up on this page that has obvious priority to your little cherry pickings. I don't know if you are aware of this, but if you put your arms in the way of someone striking, that counts as a block. So yes, Batman blocked almost half of Bane's total strikes.
• I never claimed they were cropped gifs. Put words in my mouth again and we aren't going anywhere happy fast. I said they were cherry-pickings and that is exactly what they are. Again, your gifs < my whole video. Tally up the strikes, blocks, and evaded strikes yourself. The only way you can say Bane was winning is if you ignore all of the fight except the parts where Bane hits Batman.
• Barely getting an edge is still an edge. I never said Batman was putting the whuppin on Bane. I said he was winning. How much he was winning is subject to gradation but winning it remains.
• So what? You think that just because someone can't feel pain, they are hurt? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By your own admission, Bane could have been critically injured and we'd never know it, so you can't make an accurate claim as to how effective Batman's strikes were against him. The only strike that would be able to be measured is one that actually knocked Bane out. Since that didn't happen, you can't make any claim as to the damage Bane was receiving. It doesn't mean that he wasn't taking damage. Not at all.
• LOL again with your godd**n gifs. Look at my video. He dodges quite a bit of strikes. He just happens to block more than he dodges.
• Batman wasn't countering well? Hmmm... Let's refer back to the tally then, shall we? Oh look! Batman blocks 13 strikes and gets hit by 15 while Bane blocks 1 and gets hit by 20. You can count the dodged strikes yourself since you seem to think they never happened. You clearly need to watch the fight again.
• I gave Arrow two episodes of my time. Not that it matters because an inaccurate statement remains an inaccurate statement no matter how good or crappy the series is. Barry Allen is wrong and he's clearly not an expert in anything that would allow him to make such a statement because no one schooled in human anatomy would have made such a bone-head statement.
• Again, I never said cropped.

@erik:

I'll let you in on a secret. Directors don't have to follow a script word for word. It's why script-writers are not directors. The feat you are trying to say is a neck snapping feat is one, just not a vertebral neck snap.

I'll let you in on a secret: Christopher Nolan was also one of the writers, as well as directing the film himself. You have misinterpreted my argument as thinking the vertebrate could be broken that way, that I am not arguing. If it really was changed as much you claim, then it would not have translated to the subtitles, which it clearly did. That feat alone is not the only thing that did not make sense, the film was criticized for other instances such as Bruce healing all his injuries in a matter of months.

Wrong! I don't accept it because it didn't happen the way you say it happened. I would love for you to be able to prove that your version of what happened is even possible in any form or fashion. It can't. It's not a matter of being unlikely. It's f**king not even close to possible. The vertebra are not located on the anterior portion of the neck. Grabbing someone on the trachea and crushing will only break the trachea. In fact, the evidence that the director took a different route is made clear when what is in the script did not happen on the screen. The head of the man's neck did not tilt to the side. We never see it tilt at all. All we see is the man being grabbed around the trachea, a crushing sound that easily could be the trachea, and then it's over. Nothing was shown to be the vertebra. The subtitles don't even say vertebra. So why would I toss out all of human anatomy just because one script writer is clearly a buffoon that couldn't find his own a**hole? If the script writer wrote that Batman struck Bane with penis-fingers, would we just have to accept that is what Batman had on his hand? Even if it is never shown on screen? Hell no we wouldn't. The only difference between that example and the reality of the example under discussion is that everyone knows penis-fingers are impossible and few know, apparently, that the vertebra are posterior to the trachea. I'm not going to let some monkey's idiocy dictate what happened on screen, especially when it didn't play out how the script writer intended anyway.

Lol, I am sorry that TDKR offends your anatomical knowledge. I have never argued the vertebrate would crack that way but the film itself has intended for a crack. You also don't seem to be aware that Nolan and co WROTE the film too. The subtitles clearly say that he snapped his neck, if what you were arguing was right then it would not have said his neck snapped, it would have said *crushes windpipe*. The crack DID carry onto screen, just watch TDKR with subtitles on, so if we go by your logic, not only did the screenwriters screw up, but the subtitlesalso messed it up. The subtitles can only say so much but it says 'snaps neck', that is a solid indication that it was following the screenplay. If it really didn't make it onto screen then the subtitles would not have re-enforced. Arguing that the scene didn't make sense is more of a rant, many instances in the film did not make sense at all You are literally not accepting it because you don't like it/the feat itself makes no sense. I am sorry if the feat does not make sense/that outrageous but every source indicates what was intended by the writers. Picking the film apart is criticizing it for not making sense, you are trying to argue that it did not happen at all (despite the evidence against it). You simply cannot hold comic-book movies that close to reality.

Good thing I never said Bane was stumbling around then, isn't it? Bane's strikes were slow enough near the end of that fight that I could have avoided them and I haven't seen the inside of a ring in more than a decade. From the moment that Batman overpowers Bane, Bane is slower, and you can hear how labored his strikes are every single time he throws them. He wasn't like that before. Painkillers don't give you stamina either lol. And yes you were cherry-picking. You only presented shots from the fight to make it look like the fight was one-sided. I gave you a complete tally of the entire fight and it tells a markedly different story than the one you were trying to sell me. Batman blocked and avoided more than half of whatever Bane threw and almost all of his landed and he landed more than Bane did as well. Bane was clearly losing that fight, despite his inability to feel pain up until late in the fight.

You said both were knocking each other around; not the case, before the mask was clipped, Batman was stumbling around and Bane at best was only pushed back. No, you could not avoid them. The choreography was not very good but Bane was still landing, even AFTER Batman finally breaks his grip he still lands a headbutt (to the chest). From the moment Batman breaks the grip, there is only a brief few seconds before he actually clips the mask.

The transition period from breaking his grip and clipping his mask is roughly 9 seconds. Batman gets a few good shots when he breaks his grip (two to the face and one to his elbow, none of which really knock Bane back) but that is it. If Bruce really ''overpowered'' Bane then why is Bane STILL pushing him backwards? The headbutt alone sends him stumbling back, Batman gets a lucky punch on the backfoot (gauntlet which clipped it while retracting the punch).

I was not cherry-picking, my GIFS literally came from that video you posted. I posted the time-frames to get every minute of their fight UP UNTIL the mask break, how is that cherry-picking?

1. First GIF (which is the when the fight starts and before it cuts off to Gordon), Bane lands 3 solid strikes to which Batman has no defense to and is stumbling all over the place
2. Second GIF, Bane lands 4 huge punches (which yet again, Batman has no defense for) and then kicks him which knocks him down
3. Third GIF, Batman throws a hook which is countered by two of Bane's punches which land, Bane tries to throw another and they clinch
4. Batman breaks the clinch and lands 3 hits (one of them is a hit to Bane's arm)
5. Bane headbutts him, sending him stumbling back
6. Batman punches and retracts, which clips his gauntlet (counted as a hit)

Up until the mask, Bane landed 9 hits while Batman landed 5. You can re-watch the video and stop the video frame for frame on each hit landed on one another, that is what it comes to. Batman doesn't land anything until he breaks Bane's grip, he is literally a punching bag prior to that and even after it, a simple headbutt sends him stumbling back before he gets his lucky punch.

At no point is Batman 'dodging his strikes' and out-punching him at all. I don't know what fight you are watching. The only part at which Batman starts to dodge is AFTER the mask is broken.

That is BS nonsense. Willpower to overpower someone with supposedly superhuman strength? Get out of here with that. Either Bane has superhuman strength and he was overcome by Batman's 'willpower' or Bane didn't have superhuman strength and Batman was just stronger. Which one sounds like BS to you? I hope you have the good sense to say it is the latter. I can't express how angry you are making my by forcing me to fight for my most hated character by the way. You are not invited to my Christmas party, that's for sure.

LOL, Christmas is a year away, so I'm sure you'll change your mind.

Yes, willpower or Batman had superhuman durability. The entire pit sequence was to do with Batman's will to fight, but you tell me did Batman heal all of his injuries to perfect health in months in a prison underground and get stabbed between his plates (something which Lucius said in TDK the suit has no defense for) due to willpower or nonsense durability?

It is either one of those, because after he fights Bane and takes his concrete shattering punches, he is subsequently stabbed between his plates but manages to shrug the damage off after a minute or so, while in fact he should have passed out/died.

Do I need to go over the script BS again? Yeah? Okay sure. Script means d**k compared to the movie. The script can lay out detail after detail but the director doesn't have to do more than follow it as much as his heart tells him to. We never see the blades hit the mask. EVER. It's not a reach at all when it could have easily been his fist as much as it was the blades.

Really?

You are the first person I have ever seen claim that he punched his tube out, that does not even make sense. He didn't do that all, just look at the clip, he throws a punch and then re-tracts with force, he is clipping the mask with his gauntlet. Not to mention Nolan himself was one of the main writers of the film. It should be clearly obvious that the gauntlet pulled out the tube but I will just post the screenshots:

Batman's gauntlets are pointing towards Bane's mask:

He is in the motion of pulling them towards his mask and while retracting pulls them out:

They have clearly pulled it out, to re-enforce it:

The punch you are referring to could not have pulled it out, pause it on the punch and you will see his tubes were clearly not pulled out:

It is the gauntlet that he pulls back with that tags it. It's clearly obvious.

How can I not see that he clipped Bane? Well.... because it didn't show that he did of course. Script is basically fan fiction next to what was shown on camera. It's not canon.

The screenplay should have been enough to confirm it (other than seeing the scene itself) but the screenshots also confirm it. Lol, the screenplay definitely was not fan fiction.

Subjective opinion. You have no evidence as to who was more fatigued at any given moment. But if I admit that you were right in that Bane had superhuman strength, then Bane would have to be the one that was more fatigued in order for you to continue to be correct due to Batman being able to overpower Bane.

I'll take your word for it for now (bar ''overpowering'' Bane).

LMAO a headbutt to the chest is going to cause someone to stumble back because of physics, not because he was hurt. It's a strike that covers a wide surface area. In other words, it pushed Batman back more than it hurt him.

Bruce had just ''overpowered'' Bane and landed a few good shots, Bane was in a terrible position to get any leverage and still pushed him back. Not even that, the butt was very brief and Bruce was clearly panting.

Yes he did. Bane drove forward. FACT. Batman blocked more strikes. FACT. Batman connected with more strikes. FACT. Bane blocked only one. FACT. What was it that I am lying about then? I don't care about your gifs. I have the whole fight loaded up on this page that has obvious priority to your little cherry pickings. I don't know if you are aware of this, but if you put your arms in the way of someone striking, that counts as a block. So yes, Batman blocked almost half of Bane's total strikes.

Which cherry pickings? I created those GIFS to correspond from the start of the fight to Bane's mask breaking. So I do not understand what you mean Bruce did NOT block more, in the first GIF he attempted to block but was overpowered and had a barrage of punches landed on him, on the second GIF his defense was terrible, on the third he tried to throw a hook but was countered to the body. Bruce was not dodging, he was getting destroyed, from the part where he breaks the clinch, he lands a few good shots (which aren't very effective) and then loses leverage, his lucky gauntlet clip saved him. Lol, he did put his arms in the way but he was still heavily tagged.

I never claimed they were cropped gifs. Put words in my mouth again and we aren't going anywhere happy fast. I said they were cherry-pickings and that is exactly what they are. Again, your gifs < my whole video. Tally up the strikes, blocks, and evaded strikes yourself. The only way you can say Bane was winning is if you ignore all of the fight except the parts where Bane hits Batman.

I don't understand what you are saying, are you saying that I cherry-picked parts of the video to make it look like Bane won? Perhaps I misunderstood 'cropping' for cherry-picking, so apology on that because I didn't understand the distinction between them. My GIFS are from that video, they are from the start of the fight up until Bane's mask getting clipped (I took out the scenes inbetween). The total number of landed hits clearly goes to Bane, Batman did not land anywhere near as much and he didn't evade that much. He attempted to block in the first GIF briefly but failed to do so, and the second he attempted to throw a punch (while he was walking up the stairs) but was countered to the body.

I have viewed the clips several times, there is no way that Bruce is dominating that fight, he has a good moment when he starts to attack Bane after he breaks the clinch but that is it. Please point me to the instance where Bruce is dodging most of Bane's strikes and successfully blocking most of them.

The only time when that happens is after he breaks the mask, then Bruce begins to evade everything Bane throws at him, prior to that there is little evidence.

Barely getting an edge is still an edge. I never said Batman was putting the whuppin on Bane. I said he was winning. How much he was winning is subject to gradation but winning it remains.

He didn't really get an edge, the only time at which he is doing well are the few strikes he gets just after he breaks the clinch, before that he was getting destroyed. Honestly, he did not really seem to be that much of a better fighter if he was getting tagged like that.

• So what? You think that just because someone can't feel pain, they are hurt? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. By your own admission, Bane could have been critically injured and we'd never know it, so you can't make an accurate claim as to how effective Batman's strikes were against him. The only strike that would be able to be measured is one that actually knocked Bane out. Since that didn't happen, you can't make any claim as to the damage Bane was receiving. It doesn't mean that he wasn't taking damage. Not at all.

Injured in what way? That is just pure speculation, the only moment to which we knew for sure he was hurt was when the mask was broken, and as soon as Talia put the mask back on he was fine. From what we can INFER, Batman's strikes are not really doing much, they are not even moving Bane out of place, Bane had no problem in smacking Batman around. Look at the first GIF alone, Batman is getting smacked around like a rag doll. There is no evidence to say that Bane was taking worse damage than Bruce.

LOL again with your godd**n gifs. Look at my video. He dodges quite a bit of strikes. He just happens to block more than he dodges.

I have already said this, my GIFS are from the beginning of the fight---to the point when his mask is broken (minus the scenes with Gordon and Blake inbetween). He isn't dodging much, if anything. Point me to the instance where he is dodging 'quiet a bit strikes'? Which time frame on that video? The only part he does so is when he breaks his mask and doges them (when they are close to the door), but you have claimed otherwise so point me to them.

He blocks briefly and Bane has no trouble in countering them with hooks. His block became semi-effective when they clinched, that was it. His best blocking came when Bane was smashing the pillars (and again, that was AFTER the mask had been broken)Batman wasn't countering well? Hmmm... Let's refer back to the tally then, shall we? Oh look! Batman blocks 13 strikes and gets hit by 15 while Bane blocks 1 and gets hit by 20. You can count the dodged strikes yourself since you seem to think they never happened. You clearly need to watch the fight again.

Right.

He blocks Bane's very first punch, and then the rest tag him (first GIF)

His next block comes to when he clinches he with Bane, he blocks a punch and then they both engage in a clinch

That is it. I have no idea where you came up with 13 and 15 from. The only time Bruce blocks that much is after the mask is broken, because before that nothing of the sort happens. I have seen the video, it is not there. So just tell me the time frame on the video (before the broken mask) and then I will see, because from what I am seeing I see NO such thing. The fight itself was barely two minutes.

gave Arrow two episodes of my time. Not that it matters because an inaccurate statement remains an inaccurate statement no matter how good or crappy the series is. Barry Allen is wrong and he's clearly not an expert in anything that would allow him to make such a statement because no one schooled in human anatomy would have made such a bone-head statement.

Cracking someone's neck by only using one arm requires 1250lbs of pressure? It's a fictional show made by the CW. Movies/T.V shows should not be held to real world standards that much, in many movies things happen that do not match up to real world standards but I'm pretty sure getting a complete accurate number was the last thing the makers of Arrow had on their mind. Barry Allen is not an idiot.

Again, I never said cropped.

Well, either I was seeing things or I got confused by what you meant by cherry-picking.

@frozen: I'm literally done talking to you. Some people just can't be reasoned with.