Im sorry, But Zee has been a victim of Sexism long enough!  Why would she be?  You ask.

Let me put this bluntly:  She is, Technically, more powerful than Superman.  In many arcs of DC, Superman has a weakness towards Magic.  Zee, the strongest spellcaster in DC, (Dr. Fate is second, as he/she has been killed way to many times), would be of the few DC person to have an actual advantage over the Man of Steel, (Yes others have gotten Real close, and Apokolips did kill him, but still).

Now think about it, a Woman is more powerful that Superman.  To many writers, that fact actually demotes him in power, so how do you fix it?  You push her off to the side lines for the majority of her career.

And now, not many know about this wonderful woman, and those that do know her compare her to Dr. Stange, who (being male) is obviously more popular.  And I am sorry, but that is just unfair.

Besides, Zatanna is a wonderful character!  She actually has a real personality!  Ever played justice leaugue heroes?  Zee gets all the good lines, is not uber noble like:  Superman, WW, the Bat, Martian, or Greenie; nor does she act like she is high on something throughout the entire game like Flash.  She shows wit, humour, power, and assertiveness without soundng utterly bland. 

...

Oh, and something I found on the Web about Zee.

A respect forum from some site I have never hoyd of.

(I removed it for the time, will post a link again soon)

@Silverheart

Screw Scarlet Witch.  She is not an actual magician, and Zee saves people all the time, making her a hero.  And I was not just saying HERE!  I was saying throughout.  There is a ton of Zee hate.  And look at some more SM bios, you will see a weakness to magic.  And Fate gets all his/her poiwers off of a stupid helmet!  Take away the helm and what does he got?  Nothing.

As to the copy and paste, my bad, I am new.

"Screw Scarlet Witch.  She is not an actual magician, and Zee saves people all the time, making her a hero.  And I was not just saying HERE!  I was saying throughout.  There is a ton of Zee hate.  And look at some more SM bios, you will see a weakness to magic.  And Fate gets all his/her poiwers off of a stupid helmet!  Take away the helm and what does he got?  Nothing.

As to the copy and paste, my bad, I am new."

Honestly:  sorcerer, magician, wizard, etc...  They are all the same, and

I must have missed the Zee and SM thingy.  My bad, I cannot see everything, but... on the same point, ever think that the writers did it to take that advantahge away to secure his power.

And when I said throughout, I meant across the web and many other fans I meet in person.

And honestly, power origins play a big part, watching JLU as a kid, I saw Stargirl (whom I have not seen in a while) fighting some random villain.  Her staff was taken from her grasp, and then she was powerless.  Her source played a big part in her defeat.  Put that with a more known character, and there is not much hope for that set of fans.

Oh well.

"Honestly:  sorcerer, magician, wizard, etc...  They are all the same, and

I must have missed the Zee and SM thingy.  My bad, I cannot see everything, but... on the same point, ever think that the writers did it to take that advantahge away to secure his power.

And when I said throughout, I meant across the web and many other fans I meet in person.

And honestly, power origins play a big part, watching JLU as a kid, I saw Stargirl (whom I have not seen in a while) fighting some random villain.  Her staff was taken from her grasp, and then she was powerless.  Her source played a big part in her defeat.  Put that with a more known character, and there is not much hope for that set of fans.

Oh well.
"

The source of your powers determines a weakness.  The bigger the weakness, the weaker the character is.  So, for a power object/suit, take that away and leave them powerless is in fact a pretty big weakness.  Just my opinion.

"The source of your powers determines a weakness.  The bigger the weakness, the weaker the character is.  So, for a power object/suit, take that away and leave them powerless is in fact a pretty big weakness.  Just my opinion."

I donno....I love Zatanna....I dont know too many people here who have ever said they hated her

i love Zatanna, but that ridiculous outfit has to go.

"i love Zatanna, but that ridiculous outfit has to go."

something that sets her apart from the wannabes

"something that sets her apart from the wannabes"

all the other stage performers across the universe

it's gimmicky is what i'm saying. Like if i had powers of water and i walk around in a fireman costume.

The community here voted Zatanna "Hottest Female" for 2008.  Guess that's a different kind of respect.

Sweet!

"i love Zatanna, but that ridiculous outfit has to go."

I've never seen any disrespect for Z

"pixelized said:

"i love Zatanna, but that ridiculous outfit has to go."

Come on!  The Fishnets rule!"

I'd like to see a new suit

"I've never seen any disrespect for Z"

"Constantine said:

"I've never seen any disrespect for Z"

I am speaking generally.

And Zee is hotter than Canary."

Only because she mimicked her mother!  They were not her original idea.

They're part of the Canary Line... Zatanna putting on a pair wasn't original.

I love Zatanna.

She's wonderful, she's hot.

She's not more powerful than doc Fate.

Persopnally I love Zatannas costume...who cares if its gimmicky....its her and it looks good.......better than tons of other femle characters I could name ...

Her brother suffers from the same Gimmicky thing.

"Constantine said:

"I've never seen any disrespect for Z"

I am speaking generally.

And Zee is hotter than Canary."

Meh, I guess.  I have just seen hotter pics of Zee than Canary.

Sometimes gimmicky can be good...

The Penguin, Joker, Riddler, Scarecrow, and Harley Quinn are just a few of Batman's villains whose costumes are gimmicky...heck Batman himselfs cowl would seem gimmicky if we werent so used to it.

Many of the best characters costumes are gimmicky....its what sets them apart and makes thier Identity.

"Sometimes gimmicky can be good...

The Penguin, Joker, Riddler, Scarecrow, and Harley Quinn are just a few of Batman's villains whose costumes are gimmicky...heck Batman himselfs cowl would seem gimmicky if we werent so used to it.

Many of the best characters costumes are gimmicky....its what sets them apart and makes thier Identity."

I dont see the difference between Zatanna wearing a magician outfit and Joker wearing a clown outfit?

"I dont see the difference between Zatanna wearing a magician outfit and Joker wearing a clown outfit?"

aight then we agree lol

=]

I believe I've read Justice League comics were Zatana was presented as the most powerful of all.
But Superman is always seen as earth's champion. Even without counting with Superman there are other heroes who have far more experience than Zatana, and have win against many supervillains more powerful than themselves.

Of course Superman doesn't have any invulnerability against Zatana. I would say that Zatana's powers works in Supes just like it would work on any other, like Batman, for example.

The thing is that power is not the only important aspect in consideration.

"I dont see the difference between Zatanna wearing a magician outfit and Joker wearing a clown outfit?"

Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about.

"Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about."

Zatanna would probably get more respect if she didn't look like such a sex abject :P

"Zatanna would probably get more respect if she didn't look like such a sex object :P"

"Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about."

pixelized said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about."

Phoenix = Bird. A cyclops is an ogre.. the symbolism is what i want Zatanna to have. I like a little mystery with my characters, i want to look at them and wonder what they do, Zatanna in her top hat and magic wand doesn't really leave much to imagine."

Neither does Beast, Joker, Spider-Man, Mad Hatter, Green Goblin, Rhino, Scorpion, they are all very straightforward with thier costumes exactly who they are and what they do. And that is just a very brief list.

And Jean Grey isnt and hasnt always been the Phoenix, and when she is Phoenix she does have a bird on her outfit.

"

pixelized said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about."

Phoenix = Bird. A cyclops is an ogre.. the symbolism is what i want Zatanna to have. I like a little mystery with my characters, i want to look at them and wonder what they do, Zatanna in her top hat and magic wand doesn't really leave much to imagine."

Neither does Beast, Joker, Spider-Man, Mad Hatter, Green Goblin, Rhino, Scorpion, they are all very straightforward with thier costumes exactly who they are and what they do. And that is just a very brief list.

And Jean Grey isnt and hasnt always been the Phoenix, and when she is Phoenix she does have a bird on her outfit.

"

I never said that didnt make sense

"

pixelized said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Jean Grey walking around in a giant bird costume doesnt even make sense lol.....Cyclops h the visor that makes it look like one eye that is the symbolism. Not very good examples to argue your point,..i suppose she should wear something cute and bland and look like a host of other female characters with no flair who I couldnt care less about."

Phoenix = Bird. A cyclops is an ogre.. the symbolism is what i want Zatanna to have. I like a little mystery with my characters, i want to look at them and wonder what they do, Zatanna in her top hat and magic wand doesn't really leave much to imagine."

Neither does Beast, Joker, Spider-Man, Mad Hatter, Green Goblin, Rhino, Scorpion, they are all very straightforward with thier costumes exactly who they are and what they do. And that is just a very brief list.

And Jean Grey isnt and hasnt always been the Phoenix, and when she is Phoenix she does have a bird on her outfit.

"

Alrite I guess Zatanna should just wear a tuxedo t-shirt from now on then....its more subtle