X of Swords(2020) Discussion Thread

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JONATHAN HICKMAN AND C.B. CEBULSKI TALK "X OF SWORDS" AND DAWN OF X'S FUTURE

Last weekend's Chicago Comic and Entertainment Expo brought quite a few major updates to the nerd world, especially if you're a fan of Marvel's X-Men. The weekend brought the announcement of "X of Swords," an upcoming 15-part crossover that will affect the entire "Dawn of X" line of books. The crossover will see the mutant nation of Krakoa facing its biggest challenge yet when powerful forces from the unknown threaten their new world. "X of Swords" (which is pronounced "Ten of Swords") is set to begin in X-Men's Free Comic Book Day special, which will be penned by X-Men writer and "Head of X" Jonathan Hickman and Excalibur writer Tini Howard. ComicBook.com was among a small number of outlets that got to chat with Hickman, as well as Marvel Editor-in-Chief C.B. Cebulski, at C2E2 about what "X of Swords" has in store.

"We're in a really interesting time in that the books have launched and they're all healthy, and the reception of the line across the board has been fairly positive, I would say," Hickman explained. "And we know the things that we're doing down the road. And so what we're doing now — and 'X of Swords' is a perfect example of this — is that we're just trying sh-t out. We haven't done a real crossover across a bunch of books, that was a real, true crossover, in a really long time. And so we got together as the X group, and we were like, 'We want to do a crossover.' And the question is, 'Okay, so were we just screwing around? Or do we actually have a story?' And thank goodness, we have a story. But it's really a group experiment across the line. And we're doing that again in December, and we got some stuff we're doing next year that works the same way."

Hickman continued, "It's really kind of fascinating because it all comes out of a process in a kind of team environment that I've never experienced in Marvel. It's really kind of interesting what we build. We have a group Slack and we talk to each other all the time, and so all of the books feel like a family of books. It's not editorially driven. It's more organically driven, right? And so this is just another thing that's coming out of that. We're pretty excited about it. We think it is going to be cool stuff, as opposed to 'time for another event.'"

Cebulski echoed that sentiment, arguing that "X of Swords" is just one example of Marvel redefining what a significant comic storyline can entail.

"That's the thing I've been talking a lot about recently, internally; changing the terminology, and changing a lot of these dirty words for fans and retailers," Cebulski revealed. "The way we see this is, 'It's a crossover, it's not an event.' 'Event' has taken on this meaning of certain things. People use it almost every month, 'There's an event!' But it's not. This is really truly going back to those classic — especially in X-Men — inter-series crossovers."

Of course, the Mark Brooks promo art for "X of Swords" showcases at least 20 X-Men characters wielding some sort of blade, and Hickman and Cebulski hinted there could very well be more than ten swords in the actual storyline -- including some deep cuts from Marvel canon.

"Think of an X-Men character that has had or used the sword at some point in the history in the Marvel characters, and there might be a chance that that character will make an appearance with a sword," Hickman teased. "There may be more than 10 swords, but there will at least be 10 swords. It feels like it'd be wrong if there weren't."

Cebulski added, "We go deep, actually. We had an X-Men retreat in New York where we all got together and discussed this. And I remember us listing Marvel swords, X-men swords, and what could be considered a sword."

The name "X of Swords" instantly made some think of the tarot card of the same name, which can symbolize everything from drama to betrayal to rebounding from a traumatic event. According to Hickman, that allusion to tarot is intentional, and will actually be weaved into the event itself.

"This is going to be a big crossover, and Tini Howard and I are writing the big chunks of it together, and then all the other X-Men books are going to filter in and out of it," Hickman explained. "The tarot stuff came from Tini. There's a scene in [the] Free Comic Book Day [special], and it's in the first issue as well, that ties into all that and pulls it all together. That's where it comes from."

In the year since "Dawn of X" was first teased (with the announcement of Hickman's House of X and Powers of X miniseries at C2E2 2019), the relaunch has certainly grown and evolved in some unexpected ways. As both Hickman and Cebulski put it, the elasticity of "Dawn of X" has allowed for that creative freedom to come naturally.

"We are still in the beginning stages of everything, because I intentionally knew that maybe people were going to take a little while to find their books," Hickman revealed. "And maybe it was going to take us a little while to figure out how we were all going to make all this work together. And what we found is that some people are jogging, some people are sprinting. None of it feels like failure, right? We're kind of still just playing around."

Hickman added, "Now, I will put a stop to that at some point, because we have bigger and broader things that we're going to do. But while we're still discovering interesting things about the books — and we have a couple of new books that are getting ready to start that really work that way — I think we should just keep playing. The moment it feels stagnant, though, I'm just going to absolutely take an ax to it and be like, 'No, it's time to pivot hard.' Jordan [White] and C.B. and everybody at Marvel knows what we're doing. We just don't know when we're going to do it."

Cebulski echoed, "Let's give them the space and the time they need to tell that story. It's very liquid, it's very fluid in a way and there's no set 'this is an ongoing, this is a mini.' No, we see where these stories take us. You're going to see books you haven't seen before, and names you haven't seen before. Everyone was like 'Marauders? Why would they call a book Marauders?' It's doing phenomenally well, and people understand it. It's like with Hellions. That's a book that Zeb [Wells] came in and pitched, and it's like, 'Wow, that's an interesting concept!' And it's a book that's going to surprise a heck of a lot of people."

While "Dawn of X" currently gives readers several different ongoing series and one-shots each month, there are some titles that fans are eager to see enter the fold. One of those is definitely the "Moira X" solo series, which Hickman provided a bit of an update on the status of.

"We are going to do that book. We know who is going to write that book," Hickman revealed. "I have talked to that person many times about it, very recently in fact. But we're not going to pull that. That's one of those things that once you start pulling that thread, everything accelerates. That book will happen when it is time for that book to happen. We've intentionally not shown more. Obviously. We'll see more this year."

X of Swords will officially begin in June.

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All I know, is Rachel has the Phoenix Blade....so my money has already been paypaled to Marvel.

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@koays said:

All I know, is Rachel has the Phoenix Blade....so my money has already been paypaled to Marvel.

Of course, the Mark Brooks promo art for "X of Swords" showcases at least 20 X-Men characters wielding some sort of blade, and Hickman and Cebulski hinted there could very well be more than ten swords in the actual storyline -- including some deep cuts from Marvel canon.

"Think of an X-Men character that has had or used the sword at some point in the history in the Marvel characters, and there might be a chance that that character will make an appearance with a sword," Hickman teased. "There may be more than 10 swords, but there will at least be 10 swords. It feels like it'd be wrong if there weren't."

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@vishop_: Lol, look this is honestly a SUPER weak motivation for a crossover.

"OMG SWORDS" Isnt the strongest draw for a book, but the fact that they seem very interested in making it a tongue and cheek crossover title has my interest considering how long its been since we had a purely X-based throwaway event....or whatever their calling it.

Rachel + Phoenix blade is a win for Rachel

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@koays said:

@vishop_: Lol, look this is honestly a SUPER weak motivation for a crossover.

"OMG SWORDS" Isnt the strongest draw for a book, but the fact that they seem very interested in making it a tongue and cheek crossover title has my interest considering how long its been since we had a purely X-based throwaway event....or whatever their calling it.

Rachel + Phoenix blade is a win for Rachel

They are not sayin that it's a usual event like HOM or HOX. With Tini Howard being one of the two major writers, I doubt it's going be really good. But this looks visually cool. Would be glad if they release some solicit ASAP

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I’m excited to see where it goes. I will be shocked if the Phoenix Blade has any power left in it, but who knows. Maybe we’ll get pleasantly surprised. Tini seems to really like Rachel. She keeps using her in the Excalibur series.

Now if only Tini would slow down and breath a little so the Excalibur flowed a little more smoothly.

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@ashetdust said:

I’m excited to see where it goes. I will be shocked if the Phoenix Blade has any power left in it, but who knows. Maybe we’ll get pleasantly surprised. Tini seems to really like Rachel. She keeps using her in the Excalibur series.

Now if only Tini would slow down and breath a little so the Excalibur flowed a little more smoothly.

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This is a LAME ASS concept, but it does look interesting.

Anyway, i'm down to see where this goes...

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Tini Howard and a bunch of swords...ehhh no thank you

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#11  Edited By cattlebattle

Just imagine you're Hickman.

You are this pretentious, but excellent comic writer that's amazing with restructuring long established and stale mythology and handling hard sci fi in an interesting way in an age where it feels like everything has been done, and you are forced to share your current franchise with the likes of Tini Howard and Vita Ayla and Ed Brisson.

This would be like if you paired Alan Moore with Rob Liefeld, except I would argue Liefeld was still capable of some good ideas.

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wtf is this? ... On second thought, I'd rather not know.

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@cattlebattle: After Major X, I highly disagree in your faith in Liefield.

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#14  Edited By Jota23

Well, the bad news is that Marvel finally found a stupider idea for a story then Axis. The good news... uhhh... Seriously, do you have to be stupid to be a X-Men editor or is this just a happy coincidence that always happens?

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Inhumans Vs X-Men for example.

That series was beyond bad.

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Inhumans Vs X-Men for example.

That series was beyond bad.

It isn't that bad if done right, conceptually.

They did it the worst way possible, though.

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AIPT: OK, let’s talk about swords. They’ve been everywhere since the Hickman era began. Was “X of Swords” part of Jonathan’s original pitch? How far back does the planning for this go?

Jordan: No. No, absolutely not. Part of the way that that is proven out to be true is that the story you’re going to see in “X of Swords” grows out of two places most of all. One is some of the stuff Hickman has been seeding since House of X, but the other part of it is stuff Tini’s doing in Excalibur. In a big way, both of those are a big part of it. So it does connect all the way back to things Jonathan was pitching from the beginning, but this specific thing wasn’t “And then we’ll do the ‘X of Swords’ things”–that definitely wouldn’t have existed if all the other books hadn’t come into play the way they are. I mean, again, Jonathan is a big planner, but he really is a good collaborator. He has not dictated to everybody what they are going to do. There have been places where he has had a strong opinion about what they’re going to do or has given suggestions about how to make what they want to do a million times better, but he didn’t go “You do a book about this and you do a book about this.” They all really brought their own ideas to it and once they did, he incorporates those ideas into the larger design. So yeah, the book that is “X of Swords” would not have come to pass if most of all Tini, but really the whole group hadn’t come together and done the books they’re doing.

https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2020/03/09/giant-size-x-men-monday-50-anniversary-interview-with-jordan-d-white/

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Did we ever find out what the 10 in "Powers of 10" meant? Because if their bringing it back up....i'd like to know.

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@koays said:

Did we ever find out what the 10 in "Powers of 10" meant? Because if their bringing it back up....i'd like to know.

Think of an X-Men character that has had or used the sword at some point in the history in the Marvel characters, and there might be a chance that that character will make an appearance with a sword," Hickman teased. "There may be more than 10 swords, but there will at least be 10 swords. It feels like it'd be wrong if there weren't.

From Hickman's Interview

I think it was basically referring to 10/X of Swords. Powers of X was basically referring to Moira and her 10 lives.

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Ohhh, so it’s a Moira angle is it?

Interesting!

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More pretentious Hickman bullshit.

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So it features Apocalypse’s original Horsemen. Intriguing.

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Rachel Grey detected....MY MONEY IS YOURS!

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Aw fruck Tini Howard is writing....so much for it being written in english

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urgh, after waiting all these months, I'm not buying anything that doesn't have Jean grey in it

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#31  Edited By Vishop_

@koays said:

Aw fruck Tini Howard is writing....so much for it being written in english

AFAIK Hickman and Tini are writing separate stories but more or less they are connected.

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@vishop_ said:
@koays said:

Aw fruck Tini Howard is writing....so much for it being written in english

AFAIK Hickman and Tini are writing separate stories but more or less they are connected.

As someone who has read every issue of Excalibur and has about a 26% grasp of wtf is going on....Trini should not be super prominent on this book.

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@koays: Yes but then there is Hickman's first horsemen which I think is going to be epic. His East of West might give you the reason why this is so cool.

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This should be cool.

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does apocalypse have complete control over his 4 horsemen?

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does apocalypse have complete control over his 4 horsemen?

Lol no.

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AND NOT A SINGLE ISSUE OF CHILDREN OF THE ATOM IN SIGHT

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@vishop_: Thanks! Now I know what to avoid.

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I'm hype for all of it

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@koays said:

I'm hype for all of it

Same. The only thing that annoys me is that I have to buy all the 22 issues for the event.

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@vishop_: I'm sure that some of them will be fillers or not that essential to the general story.

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@tdk_1997 said:

@vishop_: I'm sure that some of them will be fillers or not that essential to the general story.

I will probably be reading only X-Men issues. Hickman said that he would be building his own story during X of Swords.

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@vishop_ said:
@tdk_1997 said:

@vishop_: I'm sure that some of them will be fillers or not that essential to the general story.

I will probably be reading only X-Men issues. Hickman said that he would be building his own story during X of Swords.

I am actually way more interested in Excalibur and Marauders atm rather than Hickman's X-Men. Those two books have been stellar so far.

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Seems like Illyana is going to be playing a big role in this @andromeda101 You might like this.

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Old school Soulsword, before it got Anime'd.

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What a weird-ass concept.

But hey, at least Illyana and Meggan are part of it.

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Old school Soulsword, before it got Anime'd.

lol The guy who drew it is too manga style.

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#49  Edited By Vishop_
@andromeda101 said:

What a weird-ass concept.

But hey, at least Illyana and Meggan are part of it.

I hope they could find a better costume for Illyana. She is like a teen Emma Frost with a black costume.

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Maybe im the only one but this seems like a waste of time especially if Tini Howard is doing anything with it. If I can quote Hickman's statement in the interview....

"Now, I will put a stop to that at some point, because we have bigger and broader things that we're going to do. But while we're still discovering interesting things about the books — and we have a couple of new books that are getting ready to start that really work that way — I think we should just keep playing. The moment it feels stagnant, though, I'm just going to absolutely take an ax to it and be like, 'No, it's time to pivot hard.'

Yeah its time to do that. COVID ground thing to a halt so any momentum just died. Coming back there should be no bs stories and people trying to get a feel for books not knowing what to do and telling their own little stories. Lets go. Wrap these books up. Its time to ax the bs and move forward. Maybe I'd feel differently if we had Mike Carey, Keiron Gillen, Kyle and Yost, Remender and even Spurrier writing. Hell Spurrier and Gillen would have been much better cut out for Excalibur than Howard, even Zdarsky could have done some work.

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