Ultimate X-Men Tribute

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To Start off there is many Characters in Ultimate X-Men. A lot of people deserve time, respect, ect. I am picking the most screen time characters with feats and story.

In this case Wolverine, Jean, Cyclopes, Colossus and Magneto, Rogue, Gambit in that Order

What can we say about X-Men in the Ultimate Verse? Well for starters, they are not Mutants from Celestial experiments, they are Mutants because of Government experiments looking for the next Super Soldier. They are feared, hated, and all that Jazz. Well else is there to say? They are gifted people in a world that hates them. Lets kick this off!

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Wolverine

Wolverine deserves his own respect thread. I am lumping him here just the same. Wolverine is one of the first and by far oldest Mutants. He was there as the Super soldier of Canada fighting with Captain America in WW2. Known then as Lucky Jim cause he never died lol. He was then taken in by Weapon X and honed into the perfect weapon.

Healing Factor and Durability

If you guess Ultimate Wolvie is a Healing type, then you be right! This guy has insane healing feats. He also has Adamntium Bones. Now many people are under the idea from badly posted wikis on the internet that Ultimate Adamntium is inferior to 616. This is FALSE! I will cover it in the end here.

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1) Durability vs Dazzler best hit. These hits kill 3 Sentinels at a time.

2-3) Wolverine tanks a blast that sends him from New York to Maine! He holds on to the evidence he ripped off and recovered real quick to get back to New York in a short time.

4) Wolverine gets pumped full of lead.

5) Wolvie is blasted with heat that is hot enough to melt his steel pipe bonds, and then heals in seconds of the fight.

6) Wolvie vs shotgun to the head.

7) Wolvie Healing Factor regrows Rogues arm in minuets.

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Wolverine in these Scans Healing Factor repairs Damage from this Mutant who kills living tissue in seconds.

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Wolvie hit by a 50 ton Semi going 50 MPH!

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Wolvie gets ripped in half by Hulk and then climbs a mountain to get his legs.

The point is Wolverine Healing Factor is really good.

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So good, Wolverine can survive as just a head! More Impressive is he survived the Nuke Missile Fury Launched!

Speed

Wolverine is also the quick Blitzer as well.

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1-2) Wolverine too fast for Shot Gun Owner to respond.

3-4) Wolverine Speed closes the distance to this Suicide Bomber Mutant!

5) Blitzes Russian Mob Boss.

6) Reacts to Quicksilver who is near the speed of lightning and moving at the speed necessary to kill Cyclopes.

7) Too fast for Quicksilver to dodge. QS can go from 0 to Mach 4 in a instant! He also Thinks faster than normal Humans due to his power.

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Wolvie hit by a Mach+ Speed Missile tanks being blasted thru walls, flips over it, and clears the blast!

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Wolvie speed blitzes a Horde of Zombies in three blinks of the eye!

Claws

like 616, Wolverines Claws are his trademark.

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1-2) Stated they are strong enough to cut thru Colossus near impenetrable skin.

3) No Incap for this guy!

4-5) Proves they can cut that Organic Metal!

Ultimate Adamantium

Alright, there is a huge ISSUE of people believing Ultimate Verse Adamantium is weaker to 616 base on NO REAL EVIDENCE!

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Even Mention in his Official Bio as unbreakable Adamantium.

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Yuri here is explained by Professor Cornelius (who made ultimate Wolverine Skeleton) that some parts of his Body has not been Ossified. This stands to reasons unlike 616 Wolverine who has IMPOSSIBLE Adamantium Joints Ultimate Wolvie does not. Only his Bones (except the one above) are coated. He can be with great strength ripped apart.

So lets look at this suppose Adamantium Breaking.

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1-2) Both Examples of the Spine and Neck Joints being ripped apart. Not the Bones Breaking.

3-4) Again No Bones breaking, more examples of Joint area Ripping out!

So from we see, the Bones were never broken. He was pulled apart people!

Also misinformation from Wikias.

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1) Hulk does not break Adamantium Tip Needle, he breaks the non Adamantium Vial part in Caps Hand.

2) Sabertooth does not break a Adamantium claw. It was always like that in its first appearance, for no explain reason. Perhaps they ran out of Adamantium.

3) This Adamantium Cage does not break, the Cage is whole and open. Did it have a Mechanize Lock that burned out? I see no damage to the cage.

4-5) Captain America's Shield was NEVER stated to be Adamantium. It was made by Henry Pym and Cap said it was Indestructible. Simple as that. His new Shield was made from Asgard Dwarven Smiths.

No Scan) Death Strike had her neck broken. Long Shot Reality Warps with his Luck Powers. No scan, Sry.

Stealth and Skill

Wolverine was a Assassin first and foremost for Weapon X. His skills both implanted and learn makes him one of the most skill beings in Ultimate Marvel.

Lets look at Telepathy Immunity for starters.

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1-2) Wolverine shows immunity to Mind Control.

3) Showed great resistance to even Phoenix Jeans Mind Reading.

4) Members of the Brother, like Wolverine, have Thought Viruses vs Telepaths.

5) Weapon X Telepathy resistance is very effective and Wolverine's is the best.

6) Magneto sends Wolverine to murder Xavier because of his Immunity to Telepathy.

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Wolverine is Radar Invisible.

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1) Stealths Black Widow.

2-5) Out stealths Weapon X who had him cornered.

6) Actually stealths the Master of Magnetism!

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Just as cap knows wolverine has some of the best skills and training implanted in his head.

Battles

Now we reached that time of the Battles!

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Wolverine fights the New X-Team as a Dnager Room sim. Xavier input alot of work into that accurate program that Wolvie decimates in seconds. Everyone other than Storm on that team is experience fighter to boot.

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Wolverine vs Sabertooth in their first Comic Battle. Wolvie at the time was getting roughed up.

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Wolverine vs Sabertooth who this time underwent the Adamantium surgery himself. Close match.

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Flashback Battle of Wolverine vs Iraqis naked.

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Wolverine holds back in a fist fight with Cyke.

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Wolverine wipes out Zombie Army.

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Wolverine vs Iron Man.

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Wolverine battles a large faction of Brotherhood of Mutants.

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Wolverine KOes Sabertooth in the opening move!

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Wolvie battles Hulk. Short Fight, Wolverine never gets KOed during the initial hits. Does go out of it for a few seconds when thrown on the mountain side in half!

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Wolverine vs his spirit Animal, this deserves a place for the epic internal battle it was. :)

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Wolverine fights She Hulk, easy win.

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Wolverine vs Grizzly. Man vs Wild EXTREME!

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Wolverine fights Sabertooth in another battle. Storm proves a liability in this one.

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Wolvie puts down Thing! Anyone who saw my Utlimate F4 Tribute knows how superior Thing is to 616 Thing.

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Wolvie first match with ambit without knowing his power.

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Wolvie vs Gambit in a rematch. Gambit beat Wolvie pretty easy in the first match. Gambit had known what Wolvie was capable of, Wolvie was in the dark on Gambits Powers. This rematch showed Gambit getting badly beaten.

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Wolvie pwns Russian Super Soldiers made with Vision Parts.

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Here Wolverine battles a half powered Hyperion with no trouble. A full battle with Adamantium skeleton and Healing Factor tanking a half power Planet Buster!

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Wolverine vs Yuri!

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Wolverine vs the reality warper Magician.

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Wolverine Decimates Sabertooth in their last encounter. He batles old Sabes again, then realizing Strom is in trouble, one shots Sabertooth, runs over to Cornelius, and one shots him with his trademark Decapitation move!

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Wolvie vs a host of Sentinals with no probs.

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Wolverine pretty much pwns Moria using the Banshee Drug against Wolverine.

Now we reach the end of our Wolverine Journey. During Ultimanutm they had to kill off Wolverine in the most spectacular fashion.

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Wolverine tanks the Blast of Cyke and Iron Man. As a waste of Organs and Adamantium Skeleton, Logan still messes Magnetos world up. Mags only way to deal with him was Molecular destruction.

Poor Logan. You were the first biggest fan favorite killed, and all for a horrible event too. Miss ya old boy.

To wrap Wolverine up I want to show his future self, called Cable.

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As Cable Wolverine loses his Healing Factor to Apocalypse, Logan had to rely on pure skill to live through the hell bent future. He beats the entire X Roster when he travels back in time to change things. Awesome showing for a non healing factor Wolverine.

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Jean Grey

Jean Grey has always been a core of any X-Men comic. In the Ultimate Verse she is one of the strongest Mutants on the Planet and houses the Phoenix Force within her. she was always second in command next to Cyclopes. However, when both Xavier, Magneto, and Cyke died, she becomes the defacto head leader of the X-Men and Mutants at large. after Ultimantum she changes her name to Karen and for a time stayed undercover as much as possible.

Telepathy

The first half of Jean's powers. she is a powerful Mutant who was very skilled with TP. When she became Phoenix, she was second to none.

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1) Jean controls the fractured minds of 50+ Maddoxes.

2) Jean TP can feel like being burn alive.

3) Jean uses her TP to blind people of the X-Men's presence.

4) Uses TP to KO Wasp.

5) Jean Multitask using TP to read the minds of many workers and maids, feeding images into Iceman Brain, and calming Kitty's nerves.

6) Jean TP can receive calls as long someone thinks to reach her.

7) Jean senses the bad intentions of these Weapon X from over 3 miles away.

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1-3) All these scans show Phoenix is easily a world Level Telepath who does not need Cerebro to TP across the planet.

What is also Impressive is how Jean TP can by pass people like Wolverine, Nightcralwer, and Hulk who all have heavy Telepathy Resistance.

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1) Actually calms a enraged Hulk.

2) Jean by herself block the many Omega Level Psychics from detecting her team.

3-4) Jean keeps Hulk under control, no one keeps hulk under control.

5) Jean puts Wolverine in Time Out.

6-7) Jean bypass Kurts defenses.

8) Jean by passes most of Wolverine Defenses without trying.

Telekinesis

The second half of Jeans powers. Her TK has always been powerful, even when she was Marvel Girl. It wasn't till she became Phoenix that she entered a League of her own.

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1) Jean Brain Pops a poor scientist.

2) TK fire that was hot enough to melt steel.

3-4) Jean uses TK to burn this Copter and cause it explode.

5) TK fire that seals up Colossus Organic Metal. Same Organic Metal that shakes of Lava.

6) Jean uses TK to fly at high speeds.

7) Jean TKs a Sentinel into pieces.

8-9) Phoenix rips through Nuclear Blast Doors.

10-11) Phoenix fissures the Earth.

Jean TK can Atomize problems.

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Her best feat as Phoenix with TK is when she contains a Nuclear Meltdown and atomizes a over a mile worth of land. She atomizes the land, the plant, the nuclear reaction, and even the radiation!

Her TK is also used for Durability.

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1) Phoenix shields vs Bullets. Also a Speed feat of how her Force Field is thrown up before the Ultimates can pull the triggers.

2) Phoenix tanks 5000+ Colossus hit while he was enraged.

3) Tanks a Optic Beam from the much amped Banshee drugged up Cyclopes.

4-5) Tanks a all out hit from Apocalypse who overpowers Ultimate Thing!

6) Phoenix takes a blast from a Silver searcher, beings with the power of Suns in their bodies.

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It is also worth Noting her TK can breach Invisible Woman's force field, no small feat, with no problems.

Speed

You wouldn't think it, but Jean as Phoenix has insane Super speed in Travel speed and Mental speed.

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1-2) Phoenix Travels from Antarctic to Florida in seconds.

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1-2) Phoenix travels across the universe scanning planets at FTL speeds with her mind for Heaven. She has in a Week scan and blew through most of the Universe till its ends, and then reacted to a Silver searchers halt at those speed. she then Travels back tp Earth from the end of the Universe in 1 day.

Resurection

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As Iceman noted, why should he care if he dies, she can bring him back. She did bring Warren back to life as well the rest of the lives lost in the battle vs Apocalypse.

Time Powers

She even manipulates time.

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Time Stop. Nuff Said.

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Here she reverses time so all the destruction and death caused by Apocalypse would be undone.

Phoenix

What is the Phoenix Force? It is in the Ultimate Universe the being that birthed the Universe and gave life to it.

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It took a collection effort of the Universe to Imprison her, as she was impossible to destroy, into Earth. There she waited to a perfect vessel appeared, Jean.

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Phoenix released by the Hellfire Club. She Atomizes the Club members and then with her powers bring back the dead, cured sickness, ect. Xavier nearly kills himself in a brain battle till Phoenix decided to retreat into Jean.

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Phoenix battles Xavier again, she clearly has the upper hand with ease, Xavier only chance was to appeal to Jean to take control.

This is Ultimate Apocalypse. He is a being that absorbs other mutants powers and has Xavier level TP mind Control on other Mutants.

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Well, he overpower everyone including the Fantastic 4, SHIELD, and even Xavier. How well does he stand vs Phoenix?

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Phoenix vs Apocalypse. Phoenix spanks... hard!

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Phoenix has a battle with Omega Level Cyclopes doped on Banshee. No Contest.

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Cyclopes

Cyke is the leader and probably most well train of the X-Men, besides Wolverine. He had a impressive run, untill he met his death at the hands of Quick Silver.

Optic Blast

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1) Cyke's blast mess up the reality warper Proteus.

2) Cyke's blast being used in a AOE attack.

3) Cyke KOs Sunpot in one blast.

4) Cyke's blast KOs Wolverine!

5) Cyke's beams can disintegrate a human body with no trouble.

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1-2) Fights Blind with no trouble.

3-4) A natural born leader who been studying tactis since he was a child.

5) Weapon X takes out the X-Men with little trouble, till Cyclopes stood his ground.

He is also very skilled with his aiming.

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Bounces it off Colossus shiny head.

Skill and Training

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Cyke is also a Survival Specialist. Surviving for weeks with a broken body at the bottom of a canyon.

Banshee

Banshee is a mutant amping drug. On it Cyclopes does not need to eat, breath, ect. He also can fly at fast speeds.

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He even can see Astral Projection as well Blast a Psychic mental image like Phoenix powered Jean.

Battles

Cyke is a leader and a good scraper in Close Combat when it warrants it.

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Vs Sentinal.

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Hand to hand with Wolverine. Cyke can take a beating.

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Vs Morlocks.

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Cyke Air attacks the powerhouse called Grizzly.

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Cyke battles and holds at bay the very skilled Wolverine of the future Cable.

These last 2 Feats is Cyke on Banshee.

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Cyke vs the powerful North Star.

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Cyke vs Phoenix.

The last act of Cyclopes was blowing off Magnetos head for the death of, well, everyone in Ultimatum.

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A lot of the Ultimate Universe X-Men Cast was killed. Cyke was the last casualty on that long list of dead X-Men. Killed by a angered Quicksilver who pushed the bullet that suppose killed Scarlet Witch through Scott's head. Damn.

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So long Cyke, I actually liked your style.

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Colossus

Last Guy I like to mention is Colossus. This guy is a beast and equal IMO with Ultimate Thing and Ultimate Hulk. He is many times stronger than his 616 counterpart as well more ruthless. Truth to colossus power is the drug called Banshee that he used to gain super strength. Without it, he could barely lift his arms in Metal Form. another unique thing about Peter is he faces problems from not only being a mutant, but being gay as well.

Strength

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1) Peter holds a Jet!

2) Peter overpowers Magnetos Magnetic Power!

3) Rips up Nuclear Blast Door.

4) Throws up a easy 60+ tons of Sentinel.

5) Stops dead Thousands of Ton of Train and Momentum!

6) Rips up a large piece of earth.

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One of his best showings is he does not need to breath in his Metal from and lift this 6,000 ton Sub from the Ocean depths to the nearest beach.

Durability

Peters Durability is also insane.

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1) 50 MPH Car, doesnt even budge Colossus.

2) Laser Beams just bounce off.

3) Lava? No Problem.

4) North Star Blast that send Wolverine to Maine merely knocks Peter down.

5) after knocking Thor around for 15 minuets, Hawkeye uses a Nuke Arrow to KO Peter. Nuff said.

Battles

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Out of everyone who fought Proteus, it was colossus who took Davide down. Killed him in fact.

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Colossus really shines here. He simply goes to town on Russian Super Soldiers.

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Shaman is a mutant on Banshee. His Defense completely holds Cyclopes and Havok's blasts. Peter smashes thru like nothing.

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Wolverine blitzes Colossus and tore Peter's heart out. As Peter shows us, he does not need Internal Organs in Organic steel mode, then Peter teaches wolverine a lesson in Strength! Ouch.

Colossus was still one of the best characters in the Ultimate X-Men roster.

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Magneto

Magneto is the main villain, of the X-Men, and largest antagonist of the Ultimate Comics. Magneto like his 616 counterpart is a mutant with powerful magnetic powers. He meets Xavier and they decide to build a utopia together in the Savage Land for all mutant kind. This ends up leading to a fall out when Magneto and Xavier have different views on how to deal with mutant relations. In the end, Xavier and Magneto become sworn enemies, one leading the Brotherhood, the other leading the newly form X-Men.

Master of Magnetism

As expected Magneto has Powerful Magnetic Powers. So Powerful they are World Level.

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1) whips up 1000+ tons of steel to send a message.

2) Creates world wide disastrous by flipping the poles.

3) Creates a Tidal Wave to drown New York.

4) Drops 1000+ tons of Train on rebels.

5) Obliterates Wolverine on the molecule scale.

6-7) with 3 small metal cubes, creates a super large metal structure.

His best power feat was his last.

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As seen and read, he was dying, he was weak, and he still manage to shift the planets axis with his power!

That is power!

As expected he can use these powers in other unique ways.

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1) Mags Activates every Nuke in the World with his Electromagnetic Power.

2) Communicates via Electromagnetic Frequencies.

3) Able to appear before Xavier by Hologram, yet shuts down SHIELD security with his powers.

4) Detects Metals and Magnetic Frequencies.

5) Can generate Force Fields of course.

6) He can even visually see thru metals miles away.

On the subject of Force Fields, they are very powerful.

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1) Protects him from gases.

2) Holds off the Air Force bombing runs.

3-4) Allows him to tank the thousand toner blows of a enraged Colossus.

Durability

Mags has superhuman durability.

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1-2) Magneto can survive Wolverines best stabs and slashes.

3-7) Mags tanks blows from Colossus, Storm, Iceman, Cyclopes, and Jean, and he still has much fight left after this onslaught.

8) Magneto after having his arm chopped off by Valkyrie and Impaled by wolverine was still using his power of a world level.

Genius

Magneto is a certified genius. He has made tech and understand electronics like no other. He is a master planer, responsible for the worst crimes on Earth. He even made his own Psy Proof Helmet without Xaviers knowledge as well help build Cerebro.

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1-2) This guy biggest Achievement was the planetary destruction he caused in Ultimatum. He change the entire Ultimate Verse forever with his power and plans of death.

3) Even Captured by SHIELD he plots. He actually thru his plans escaped SHIELD while leaving Miystique and Master Mind in his prison to make SHIELD think he was still there!

4-5) X-Men state as much how he never uses the same trick twice.

6-7) Magneto first debut had him bring down America under his heel.

Now lets see what made this guy such a threat.

Battles

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Mags uses his powers and knowledge to takes over a entire Sentinel Army.

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Magneto vs Wolverine. He was still on his A Game after this brutal attack.

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Magneto shuts down the Trisklion of all power, assaults the Ultimates team head on, spanks them, and then flies off after he erased all Computer Files they had on him and his brotherhood with his Electromagnetic Power.

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Magneto gets surprise attack by the X-Men. He does a good Job in spanking them, till he underestimates Colossus Banshee Drug Strength. Still had a lot of fight left in him after tanking a enraged Colossus blows. I am pretty sure his Magnetic Powers help him survive that.

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Magneto easily dispatches Iceman and Spider Man.

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Mags vs Thor. Magneto sends Thor to the center of the Earth. Easy battle.

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Here is the final showdown of Magneto vs all the remaining Heroes of Earth during Ultimatum. Magneto proves he is simply too much for all these powerhouses. In the end it took the secrete of Captain America, Wolverine, and Nick Fury knowledge on the true origins of mutants to convince Magneto to fix the Earths magnetic poles, thus ending the Threat.

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Magneto killed Xavier shortly after his planetary assault. Cyclopes taking that to heart, decides to end the Magneto threat once and for all.

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One of the best Ultimate Villains gone forever.

This is the end of my Ultimate X-Men Tribute Thread. Anyone who wants to add to it with other characters, please go ahead. Hope you all enjoyed this.

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#3 Posted by Havenless (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Do one for Angel

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#4 Posted by Jnr6Lil (8736 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice. Though how did Magneto kill Xavier?

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#5 Posted by RustyRoy (16610 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome!

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Gambit / Rogue

These 2 are a item and share feats. I think it is important to realize Gambits feats and skills through his showings and the showings of Rogue when she absorbed his powers and skills. The 2 become one in the same. First I will start as Gambit, then work it into Rogue.

Lets start with Rogue.

Rogue's Powers

Rogue is a young girl forced to do bad things by Weapon X from a young age. She then shacks up with the Brotherhood. After that she settles with the X-Men. Her power was always absorbing the life energy of others as well their powers and memory.

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1) Rogue Absorbs Mental Powers.

2-3) Rogue Absorbs Wolverines Healing Factor.

4) Rogue Absorbs Toads power.

Her Touch can kill if held long enough, it is so potent it KOs Sabertooth!

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Add to her Power Absorbing and Life Drain, Rogue has the Side Effect of stealing Memories of who she touches as well.

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Allows her to adapt fast to her new powers.

She is also has mad skills as they say.

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both she and Gambit were some of the best thief's in the world.

Battles

Because they are a pair, as you will see, I will start with Rogues and then finish with Gambits.

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Rogue vs Ice Man with TP powers.

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Rogue vs Gambit in Natural Skill.

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After Rogue lost Gambit Powers she fights Caliban with his powers used against him.

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Rogue using a host a combination of Firestar and Juggernaut power defeats a small Sentinel Suit Army.

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Rogue uses Multiple Man Powers against him.

Now lets look at Gambit.

Gambits Powers

Gambit for the most part is the exact same as his 616 counter part. Most the time his powers are thru playing cards.

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1) Rogues uses charged up cards.

2-3) Gambit uses cards on Juggs.

However this power can be used on anything non living.

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1-2) Rogue charges up Ice Ball.

3) Gambit charges up Hammer Head's metal head.

4) Gambit nearly charges up Wolverine's Adamantium Skeleton.

Battles

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Gambit vs some Thugs.

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Gambit vs Hammerhead's Henchmen.

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Gambit vs Hammerhead. All this was before Gambit had combat training.

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Gambit vs X-Men. Once he gets combat training, his skills improve drastically.

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Gambits rematch vs Wolverine. Now while he does take a beating, you cannot take way Gambit's skill when he surprise Wolvie with the Knee kick lol.

Now we get to were these 2 characters cross over. In a X-Men Annual, Rogue and Gambit are together in Vegas, Juggernaut tracks them down to get his girl Rogue back. Things get ugly and a fight breaks out.

Rogue opens up the battle against Juggernaut.

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She seem to have the upper hand till Juggs grabs her and lets her absorb his painful, dark memories. Then Gambit steps in back smaking Juggs with the crystal of Cyttorak! Not his smartest move.

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Needless to say Gambit dies, but not before he gives a final goodbye kiss to his woman who absorbed the last of his life force.

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After this, she in a small way permanently absorbed Gambits Powers, Personality, and Skill. for a awhile Gambit character lived on with in Rogue. This eventually changed with her original power set comes back, but it was a fun ride while it last and looked good on Rogue.

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Another great character lost to us by the cruel twist of the Ultimate Verse.

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#8 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7703 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank goodness Scott and Logan are actually absent now from this Universe. Here's hoping they don't come and pollute the currently stellar Ult. XM Universe as it is.

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#9 Posted by Veshark (10499 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome respect thread and awesome scans, as always.

I always liked how Millar had a good balance of Cyclops and Logan, they both had their fair shares of badassery.

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#10 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (6717 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome tribute!!! I really enjoyed all of these characters and it's sad that they are all dead, well except for Colossus.

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#11 Posted by thesleuth (60 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome tribute!!! I really enjoyed all of these characters and it's sad that they are all dead, well except for Colossus.

Jean grey is alive at the moment in the UU

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#12 Edited by AgeofHurricane (7703 posts) - - Show Bio
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#13 Edited by jesusdisciple001 (621 posts) - - Show Bio

Sweet, who drew the wolverine vs zombies pics?

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#14 Posted by papad1992 (7025 posts) - - Show Bio

Sweet tribute...

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#15 Posted by thesleuth (60 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Posted by Esquire (4012 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Any chance of doing one for Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat?

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#17 Edited by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@esquire: I would love too, however I am holding off on that as she does too few things in X-Men books and is more of a character as Spider Man's side kick. Spider Man which I do not have all that much off. Infact most her feats are her just running thru Machines like "Yeah, no consequences!" and then get one shotted somehow.

Conclusion, her 616 counterpart is by far better. I will see what I can rustle up. I might re scan my Storm and Iceman Scans.

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#18 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice thread!

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#19 Posted by Ultra_beleco (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Loved it!

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#20 Edited by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

Edited.

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#21 Edited by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Sentinels don't weigh anywhere 60 tons

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#22 Posted by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@cadencev2: Sentinels don't weigh anywhere 60 tons

You think they really weigh less than my D7 Dozer?

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56 tons standard. 61 tons if up armored a bit.

Sentinel. Way more metal and height than a dozer.

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Your being foolish if you think that Sentinel weighs less.

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#23 Posted by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@cadencev2: Sentinels don't weigh anywhere 60 tons

You think they really weigh less than my D7 Dozer?

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56 tons standard. 61 tons if up armored a bit.

Sentinel. Way more metal and height than a dozer.

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Your being foolish if you think that Sentinel weighs less.

No need for insults Cadence

Marvel Handbook seems to think otherwise

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#24 Edited by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Im did not mean to insult you. I think it is silly (less insulting word) to bring this up for these reasons below.

1) Marvel hand books say many things. However, if the Sentinel was only 5 tons, then Colossus who is in the confirmed 100+ Toner in Handbook and 5000+ Toner in feats would never had any trouble of lifting it unlike he did in the Scan above.

2) Also the Sentinel pictures in the Handbook was the improved version Sentinels that attacked the white house and not the first generation Sentinels that first appeared. Those are 2 different Sentinels as stated in the comics. So which one is supposedly 5 tons? the first generation, or the newer and improved one pictured in the handbook?

3) There was also smaller size, and human piloted Sentinels that Nick Fury made, more likely the 5 ton ones talked about in logic.

So regardless what the clearly wrong and unspecified handbook says, I think the feat is clearly 60+ tons and that is being way generous. Realistically the Sentinel should be over 100+ tons.

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#25 Posted by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Im did not mean to insult you. I think it is silly (less insulting word) to bring this up for these reasons below.

1) Marvel hand books say many things. However, if the Sentinel was only 5 tons, then Colossus who is in the confirmed 100+ Toner in Handbook and 5000+ Toner in feats would never had any trouble of lifting it unlike he did in the Scan above.

2) Also the Sentinel pictures in the Handbook was the improved version Sentinels that attacked the white house and not the first generation Sentinels that first appeared. Those are 2 different Sentinels as stated in the comics. So which one is supposedly 5 tons? the first generation, or the newer and improved one pictured in the handbook?

3) There was also smaller size, and human piloted Sentinels that Nick Fury made, more likely the 5 ton ones talked about in logic.

So regardless what the clearly wrong and unspecified handbook says, I think the feat is clearly 60+ tons and that is being way generous. Realistically the Sentinel should be over 100+ tons.

The Sentinel pictured in the Handbook is from Ultimate X-Men #44.It clearly wasn't one of the Second Generation Sentinels as the Handbook was published in 2005 while the Second Generation Sentinels first appeared in 2007 in the Sentinels Storyarc.

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The Handbook also said they were 50 feet tall so it definitely wasn't the Human Sentinels.

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#26 Posted by poisonfleur (4518 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm Where is the respect for Ultimate Storm??

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#27 Posted by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@cadencev2 said:

@dondave: Im did not mean to insult you. I think it is silly (less insulting word) to bring this up for these reasons below.

1) Marvel hand books say many things. However, if the Sentinel was only 5 tons, then Colossus who is in the confirmed 100+ Toner in Handbook and 5000+ Toner in feats would never had any trouble of lifting it unlike he did in the Scan above.

2) Also the Sentinel pictures in the Handbook was the improved version Sentinels that attacked the white house and not the first generation Sentinels that first appeared. Those are 2 different Sentinels as stated in the comics. So which one is supposedly 5 tons? the first generation, or the newer and improved one pictured in the handbook?

3) There was also smaller size, and human piloted Sentinels that Nick Fury made, more likely the 5 ton ones talked about in logic.

So regardless what the clearly wrong and unspecified handbook says, I think the feat is clearly 60+ tons and that is being way generous. Realistically the Sentinel should be over 100+ tons.

The Sentinel pictured in the Handbook is from Ultimate X-Men #44.It clearly wasn't one of the Second Generation Sentinels as the Handbook was published in 2005 while the Second Generation Sentinels first appeared in 2007 in the Sentinels Storyarc.

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The Handbook also said they were 50 feet tall so it definitely wasn't the Human Sentinels.

Good points, but still the handbook can be easily a typo or the creator of said book did not care what number went in there. It gave Colossus a hard time, nothing 5 tons about it at all, nor the common sense and basic understanding of metal and weight which shows it is way more than mere 5 tons.

It is so heavy that even Jean struggled to hold one via TK while it was falling and she is 100+ tons in TK feats.

Also Bios have a habit of messing up weight and size. I seen certain characters labeled 5'7 and then changed to 5'9. So how do they grow or shrink after being a adult?

To try and downplay that sentinel as 5 tons is pretty hard to argue.

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#28 Posted by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: I notice lately you been going through my ultimate Respect threads, have you been reading up on ultimate comics lately?

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#29 Posted by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: I notice lately you been going through my ultimate Respect threads, have you been reading up on ultimate comics lately?

Yeah, I finished the Ultimate X-men series last week and I'm currently reading Ultimate Fantastic Four

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#30 Posted by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a question. Dose colossus NEED continuous use of banshee? or did all he ever need was one does and he would have been okay?

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#31 Posted by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@cadencev2 said:

@dondave: I notice lately you been going through my ultimate Respect threads, have you been reading up on ultimate comics lately?

Yeah, I finished the Ultimate X-men series last week and I'm currently reading Ultimate Fantastic Four

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#32 Posted by Pokergeist (23177 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd said:

I have a question. Dose colossus NEED continuous use of banshee? or did all he ever need was one does and he would have been okay?

Colossus actually was able to still use his insane super strength after Banshee disapeard all togther as proven in X-men comics after Ultimantum. I really do not think he really needed it it seems.

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#33 Edited by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (9288 posts) - - Show Bio

I still cant believe scott died at the end of ultimatum... so sad

how did wolverine die or did they just not say???

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#34 Posted by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio

I still cant believe scott died at the end of ultimatum... so sad

how did wolverine die or did they just not say???

magneto killed him, ripped his bones out i believe

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#35 Posted by Rickbarry (2005 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: The Banshee storyline was dropped immediately after it was finished. Which was a good thing as the whole "Using Logan's blood as a enhancement drug" idea was terrible.

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#36 Posted by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: The Banshee storyline was dropped immediately after it was finished. Which was a good thing as the whole "Using Logan's blood as a enhancement drug" idea was terrible.

the whole using logans blood to create mutants was a bad idea.

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