Plain and simple.

Guilty!

Cyclops should make himself a nice new blue fur carpet for his office in the NXS.

i hate to sound like a bandwagon guy but yea

Guilty as Charged

Lol will their be no defense of Hank Mccoy?

Guilty as charged (Dewy Cox voice) and kitty and the others who are advocating that the original 5 stay in the present too. Seriously what possessed beast to do such a thing did he not watch enough Doctor Who to know better.

He may be guilty of all of those things, but I don't think that makes him any less interesting or any less of a "good guy" than anyone else.

He has a moral compass, he's just selfish. He has the power to do ridiculous things, and he does, and that's what I like about superheroes.

As a rule I don't think bad traits alone make a bad character. Beast in particular bugs me though because it doesn't seem like the narrative acknowledges his failings or the recklessness of his actions.

yeah, I can see why that would bug people. He's supposed to be one of the most moral and idealistic characters, but his role as the voice of science also paints him as more of a morally grey pragmatist at times; which, as you say, is often ignored from one writer to the next, making him seem inconsistent overall.

If we compare him to characters who are depicted as having a similarly idealistic moral stance, like Nightcrawler or Spider-man, we see that he's more often put into ethical situations that they wouldn't be, like his role in Secret Avengers or the Illuminati, which is part of what makes him look like more of a hypocrite. But then he also just does more randomly self-interested things like in All-New X-Men which seems like it should just call him into question more except that everyone thinks of him as being so this really smart guy with no tolerance for moral ambiguity.

So what you end up with is a basically wild-card character except that he represents a certain moral ideal, despite the fact that he never seems to be able to uphold it. Sort of like Xavier, I guess.

Guilty!!!! And please with the silver linings bullshit. Hank McCoy should be held accountable and made to pay for his crimes in some way

Guilty to all except being a bad character

@koays Why don't we see a Trial of Cyclops or Wolverine. I mean both Storm and Beast is getting all this criticism. Why isn't Cyclops or Wolverine on trial. The X-Men teams and comics are a mess, cause of them.

Cyclops has become the biggest dick in X-Men comics.

Wolverine betray his own kind. I'm Wolverine fan and even I don't agree with a lot things he done. Don't get me started on Cyclops.

I find it strange that Beast and Storm are getting all this hatred and Cyclops and Wolverine are not.

He's a scientist. What scientist at one point, in history and fiction, hasn't gone done some things most people would consider wrong in their attempt at fixing things? Or done things that they themselves consider necessary to be done? And going by your charges, half the Marvel universe has been a hypocrite, arrogant, reckless, never seem to be punished for the acts, and if have at one point been seen by other characters/readers as a bad person.

Well said mate.

Because Cyclops was right.

And, did saved the mutant race ?. No !

Cyclops has done a lot of bad things over the last 12 years. If any one should be on trial, it should be him.

Em actually he did.

At least he doesn't go around destroying planets in his spare time like Beast. See Secret & New Avengers for details.

@time: Logan will have his day.... as for Cyke Trial of Cyclops

@frozenedge- Again i point to the lack of consequences. Show me the character being admonished for his actions........the story continues to hold Hank Mccoy up as a moral beacon. And other characters will receive the same treatment but someone needs to call Hank out.

@oldnightcrawler- Yes exactly. It's like how every time Xavier dies/loses powers/disappears everyone paints him as a Saint or a paragon of virtuous traits. Except Beast is alive and while making similar questionable decisions doesn't get confronted about it like Xavier often was. There's an asterisk in universe next to Xavier's name, there isn't with Beast.

How did he saved the mutant race. Last time I check Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix force save the mutant race.

Does anyone actually remember these moments between Hope and Scarlet Witch. They save the mutant race and Phoenix Force did. Tempus, Triage don't have powers cause of Cyclops, they have powers cause of Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix Force.

What exactly is Cyclops getting credit for ?

As if Cyclops is perfect.

What has Scott done ?

Cheat on his wife

Let the Avengers beat his son to death

Abandon Maddie and Cable

Use kids as Killers eg X-23.

Gone to war with Avengers , which I can say didn't help, considering his team is public enemy number one and Shield is keeping eye on Wolverine school.

@time said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@time said:

@cheesesticks said:

@adamtrmm said:

Plain and simple.

Guilty!

@time said:

@koays Why don't we see a Trial of Cyclops or Wolverine. I mean both Storm and Beast is getting all this criticism. Why isn't Cyclops or Wolverine on trial. The X-Men teams and comics are a mess, cause of them.

Cyclops has become the biggest dick in X-Men comics.

Wolverine betray his own kind. I'm Wolverine fan and even I don't agree with a lot things he done. Don't get me started on Cyclops.

I find it strange that Beast and Storm are getting all this hatred and Cyclops and Wolverine are not.

Because Cyclops was right.

And, did saved the mutant race ?. No !

Cyclops has done a lot of bad things over the last 12 years. If any one should be on trial, it should be him.

Em actually he did.

At least he doesn't go around destroying planets in his spare time like Beast. See Secret & New Avengers for details.

How did he saved the mutant race. Last time I check Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix force save the mutant race.

Does anyone actually remember these moments between the Hope and Scarlet Witch. They save the mutant race and Phoenix Force did. Tempus, Triage don't have powers cause of Cyclops, they have powers cause of Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix Force.

What exactly is Cyclops getting credit for ?

As if Cyclops is perfect.

What has Scott done ?

Cheat on his wife

Let the Avengers beat his son to death

Abandon Maddie and Cable

Use kids as Killers eg X-23.

Gone to war with Avengers , which I can say didn't help, considering his team is public enemy number one and the Shield is keeping eye on Wolverine school.

Scott being guilty doesnt make Hank innocent.....please see the Trial of Scott Summers for Cyclops moral debate.

@time: Because Scott had faith from the very beginning that Hope would save the Mutants and she did, if it was up to the Avengers they would have shipped her off planet and the big fire bird would have just wiped the planet out.

He did repaired what the Witch did at the end of House of M.

its time to call a spade a spade... if the court is going to bring up these charges on Cyclops im bringing down Xavier, Wolverine, & beast as co-conspirators. im taking down storm because she just lead an X-force team of her own and for the fact that even as a leader she did nothing for the morlocks who were in her charge. didnt beast kill a whole town or race or something in secret avengers???? im putting the whole illuminati on trial for there dismissal of the hulk and all the ramifacations that brought as well well as for their hands in the kree-war. if these charges arent thrown out against my client then someone better be prepared to creat a new prison for almost every hero in the marvel U because none will be safe. I KILLED UATU, I HAVE HIS EYES>>>>> I HOLD ALL OF MARVELS SECRETS, IF SCOTT GOES DOWN< EVERYONE IS GOING DOWN. lmao & JEAN GREY SAID YALL BETTER LEAVE HER Ex-HUSBAND ALONE BEFORE SHE BRING THE PHOENIX FIRE LMAO

@koays said:

@time said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@time said:

@cheesesticks said:

@adamtrmm said:

Plain and simple.

Guilty!

@time said:

@koays Why don't we see a Trial of Cyclops or Wolverine. I mean both Storm and Beast is getting all this criticism. Why isn't Cyclops or Wolverine on trial. The X-Men teams and comics are a mess, cause of them.

Cyclops has become the biggest dick in X-Men comics.

Wolverine betray his own kind. I'm Wolverine fan and even I don't agree with a lot things he done. Don't get me started on Cyclops.

I find it strange that Beast and Storm are getting all this hatred and Cyclops and Wolverine are not.

Because Cyclops was right.

And, did saved the mutant race ?. No !

Cyclops has done a lot of bad things over the last 12 years. If any one should be on trial, it should be him.

Em actually he did.

At least he doesn't go around destroying planets in his spare time like Beast. See Secret & New Avengers for details.

How did he saved the mutant race. Last time I check Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix force save the mutant race.

Does anyone actually remember these moments between the Hope and Scarlet Witch. They save the mutant race and Phoenix Force did. Tempus, Triage don't have powers cause of Cyclops, they have powers cause of Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix Force.

What exactly is Cyclops getting credit for ?

As if Cyclops is perfect.

What has Scott done ?

Cheat on his wife

Let the Avengers beat his son to death

Abandon Maddie and Cable

Use kids as Killers eg X-23.

Gone to war with Avengers , which I can say didn't help, considering his team is public enemy number one and the Shield is keeping eye on Wolverine school.

Scott being guilty doesnt make Hank innocent.....please see the Trial of Scott Summers for Cyclops moral debate.

I didn't say Beast was innocent. I just didn't understand why is he going on trial and Cyclops is not.

Your right he did believe in Hope, but he not the only one, all of the X-Men believe in her and all of the X-Men put there life on line to protect her and Cable did it more than anyone. Cable saved her in the first place in the Hospital.

I think people don't realise it was the rest of the X-Men and Avengers who help saved the mutant race.

Yes you could argue if Iron Man didn't try destroy the Phoenix Force and then the Phoenix Five wouldn't been created. Then Cyclops and Emma could of help Hope saved the mutant race., but didn't happen.

@time: Cyclops is on Trial though......just not with Beast. Trial of Scott Summers

What he did is not different to what Charles Xavier did 30 years ago. Cyclops united the mutant race, he bring people together, giving them a common mission. That's what Xavier did 30 years ago.

He didn't repaired what Scarlet Witch did, cause he didn't save the mutant race. His students at his school don't have powers cause of him. They have powers cause of Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix Force.

The best cop out - don't have any arguments, bash Cyclops with selective accusations in a thread that isn't even about him. And now Scarlet Witch is a Savior? lol It's just funny, I'm amused.

When will Elixir depower her?!

Well, to honest she did wipe out half of the mutant race and she did help save it.

Wow I didn't know there were more than one trial.

.....if i said order in the court does anyone think they'd listen?

ill ride out into battle any day then with these other hypocrites... atleast scott had a true purpose and agenda behind what he did.

@koays:

It's time to show your leadership skills, unlike Storm you have nothing to answer for ;)

Such a hero! We need a monument in her glorious sell-out name now.

lol sh!t is getting real

Wait a minute, we actually already have one, on a damn Planet X as she's become the ultimate savior! Ask Remender and his self-neglected/self-ashamed pathetic token muties.

She not a hero at all but, she did help Hope Summers saved the mutant race.

@adamtrmm: Lmao...Yea that statement won't backfire

@time:

Of course, it's not like she ever started the whole mess unlike Cyclops the villain, but you really give her that credit I see. Well done!

@koays: Like I said, Hank is a scientist and in Marvel really good scientists don't usually get called out on what they do. It's expected considering every time they screw things up they're usually the ones to fix it in the end. Hank will continue to be held up as a moral beacon because even though he makes some not so smart decisions, he's a pretty decent guy, he always has been. Him telling Hope to leave doesn't bother me since I could care less for Hope and him bringing the O5 back is something stupid he's already admitted to.

Already turning my force-field on.

Sorry but:

The Hope thing; I think most people would be pretty ticked off if they found out they had suffered a fair bit of harm just because their friends couldn't be bothered to get their finger out. As for warning Hope, that he turned out to be right speaks for itself.

The 05; From what I can tell, Hank didn't bring the O5 to the present in order to prevent Cyclops from turning bad, it was to make present day Cyclops remember how he used to be, which ofc is a metaphorical kick in the nuts. As for his own sickness, he very nearly punched the ticket after the O5 arrived... so not immediately sending them back has a pretty good reason.

I don't give her credit. I'm not blind. I seen what impact she had on the mutant race for better or worse, but I'm X-Men fan that doesn't give Cyclops credit for something he didn't do. Cyclops gets too much credit, he didn't saved the mutant race, he united the mutant race. He also part of the reason why the X-Men are divided and at each other throats.

@time:

And I thought it was Wolverine.

The problem with the Hope thing is that his anger towards Cyclops influence him to do something that could've had untold circumstances. The Sinisters, Marauders, Apocalypses and Bishops' that had been chasing her since birth were still around and yet he tells her to leave and go out into a world where she doesn't know whose good or bad. And it takes a lot of fudging facts to get a Beast was right out of those actions.

The O5 has the same problem, he's mad at Cyclops so he tries to give him a shock to his system. By using time travel. Ok it's comics....but even then thats not a logical reaction. So maybe his condition led him to those extremes. But after he was better he stood on the front lawn and argued with Cyclops about his actions and the Phoenix. Seemed like he was well enough to put the O5 in a time machine then.

If all it takes is the mention of Cyclops to drive him to extremes he needs to be held accountable.

It's the both of them. Not all of X-Men agree with Cyclops anyway. I don't blame them, it's not as if he's great situation. He not even doing right thing for mutants at the moment.

@time:

He isn't because Bendis is a pretty superficial writer. With Gillen, it could be better. You can't really blame character who doesn't exist.

@time: I didnt realize you were a Cyclops hater. Really Cyclops has put his life on the line several times for the mutant race and damn the consequences. Everything has not turned out all great but imo he's done more than Beast has. Who knows where Beast loyalties lie because if Iron Man or Captain America snap their fingers he will go running. Right now Cyclops is outvast persona non grata yet still fighting. I think thats at least in part some measure of paying for his so-called crimes. Nothing happens to Beast and he's getting a pass.

absolutely. All this.

also all this.

I don't know if he's done more good, or less harm, than the Beast; but otherwise all this.

Speaking of the Beast's "free pass", since it's been coming up today, has anyone considered that no one has called Beast on his some of the crazy stuff he's done because he's in the Illuminati? not like they know he is, or what he does with them, but wouldn't it make sense if Dr.Strange had put a spell on the members so that none of them get connected with their own suspicious behavior? Like a specialized invisibility?

@oldnightcrawler - The real reason Dr. Strange is a timeless character.

That there were people after her wouldn't be a new situation to her and she literally grew up on a battlefield, out of all the X-kids of Hope's age, she's probably the least risky. He was warning her against a man who's prepared to do just about anything to get the job done, down the road Hope couldn't really count on her not being another body he'd throw onto the fire (which turned out to be Phoenix Fire).

Maybe, but I seem to remember Angel being the only one who wanted to go home at that point (and defected to Cyke's team when he had the argument with Hank) while Jean had decided the rest should stay around. (Though I am not quite sure if I remember the timing right).

Same could be said for a lot of X-Men, and many of them have done much worse than Hank and showed less regret over it.

@outside_85: Yea here's the thing, if he had spoken with her it might be different but he had no clue how the 16 year old whose been chased all her life would react to the idea that after all it took for her to get there she wasn't safe. It was irresponsible and keep in mind Cyclops never actually did anything to Hope except chase her when she ran away during the Avengers battle.

And even if they don't want to go back I'm pretty sure as the resident scientists he could've pointed out how letting them stay is a bad idea.

And the whole problem is that he doesn't show any regret at all.

Immortus' time traveling troops should call Beast to account or at least someone who's worried about the timeline. Also someone should take his place in the Illuminati. Someone pointed out that in the science department they already have Reed Richards and Iron man. Namor is the muscle. There's really no need for Beast there. In fact it should either be Rachel with her cosmic experience or Emma as a telepath and her experience as a member of a similar secret organization (i.e Hellfire Club or the Cabal)

@koays: He wanted her to give herself to the Phoenix Force, out of everyone with two legs and a brain, Scott Summers is the last person who should have done that.

Not if you ask Reed Richards, time travel is practically harmless in the short run, it just makes another timeline to accommodate the change.

And why should he? For what?