Is that even possible? How does sexual orientation change by time jumping. It would make sense to me if Older Bobby was gay...
Actually asking. Anyone knows this?

yeah I know is not from Batwoman, it's from Bluntgirl

I was showing a worst way to come out

and how everyone and their mothers made a deal about this but the entire run of Batwoman and the fact that they didn't allow the writer to matty Kate & Maggie got lost

$100 says this is just Bendis retaliating for Aaron's WATXM where Iceman was dating his precious phasing waifu.

WTF not my boy Iceman this can't be.

This is stupid. Another moronic "we're being all-inclusive" stunt. You can create gay characters instead of suddenly turning characters who are obviously heterosexual gay, like it's some sort of fad. Bendis can learn a thing or two from how Wildstorm handled Apollo and Midnighter. They were gay, but it wasn't treated like some sort of sole definition.

And yes, Jean should know better than to go prying through people's minds.

@the_stegman:

I had the same thoughts, well not about the Scott shower scene, that was funny

I thought it was going to be the Beast, since he pretended to be gay during Morrison's run.

Still seriously How does Jean know Bobby's gay? For all she knows it could have been one random thought she picked up

Someone might be changing his username......

Usually this things happen when there's the will to create attention on a title.

Like an italian politician said time ago: «Doesn't matter if the people talk well or bad about me. It is important that they talk.»

The kids are clearly not from 616 so it doesn't really matter. Unless they go with the Hank "I broke space and time" explanation and just throw all logical rules out the window.

@hexthis:

Rockslide isn't gay, and you forgot the ! in Bling!

Jean Grey has always been a c**t.

Hmm...Now I know why he's called Bendis. Because he bends the characters to his own will.

52 years in the closet...

Thumbs up at being annoyed at Jean for her constant violation of peoples minds.

Ok, that dialogue is considerably stupid.

My thoughts exactly.

At least she hugged him.

Frozen really needs to stop being swept under the carpet, it's without a doubt the best piece of character work Bobby's ever received and was the stand out arc on Liu's run.

But yeah, this is my inherent problem with it. Iceman being 'fully gay' as Jeen tactfully put it kinda shits on his established history and on far better stories than 'My name is Jeen and I respect no ones privacy whatsoever.' Now him being Bi? That I could totally buy and that's something I'd love to see a writer run with.

This is just getting worse and worse.

So, Bobby mentions how hot Illyana is and Jean pulls him outside for some one on one? Because, he needs to know he's gay? Because she's read his mind and is doing him the favour? Or, you know, telling him to "quit it" since, she knows?

I can't.

Bendis, what the hell are you doing? This makes no sense, and you've portrayed what is one of the most intimate discoveries a person can have about themselves into...what? A golly gee, I guess all that macho bravado was really Bobby hiding his true nature, which is gay? As in, "fully" gay? Like there's some kind of thermometer?

Furious. Yes, I do believe I am furious.

As for bringing real world instances of a much older person becoming aware of their homosexuality, yes, I am sure that happens, but with Bobby? With his past history? Even with people bringing up the possibility of him being gay in the past, what does that mean, exactly? That the stories involving him and female characters have all this time been acted out delusions on his part?

You have this one character invading another character's privacy, throws ideas around like everyone being bisexual in some way, yet is insistent the character in question is "fully" gay? Does that not contradict what was just stated?

Does he read what he writes? Does Marvel not believe in editing, any more?

Have him discover through a relationship with another male that he is possibly gay, or bi, like most young people do when they are exploring their sexual selves. Is that possible? You know, an actual, freaking storyline?

I'm just going to make my very own head cannon and believe Jean put the idea in his head that Bobby is gay, "fully" gay and go forward from there. Here's to hoping the next writer who handles the Iceman character actually gives him a story that develops the character into a sexually fluid individual or just leaves this in the past (which I'd much prefer).

Plus, the idea that the adult Bobby "chose" to ignore his homosexuality and live a hetero lifestyle because being a mutant was enough to deal with is even more abhorrent.

I need to read some Valiant and get this garbage out of my head.

Everyone has gay thoughts.

@ms-lola: I think Bendis wants to recreate the O5 with his own ones. And maybe replace the older ones. A new start. He had done this in all ANXM.

@ms-lola:

I agree with all you have write. Above all with the last sentence; even if I will reread Artesia.

Really.

DC & Marvel need to introduce new characters instead of retconning their existing characters >_>

@sesquipedalophobe: lol, that's right @2cool4fun: They have so many characters... I don't think it could work...

Oh my God.

Did I just see that he said, "Nosy bitch"? He's become...sassy?

I'm outta here.

Bendis strikes again. I can onlhonly assume Bendis saw the Babysitter movie Jonah Hill made. It's like a direct ripoff of it.

@dernman: Constant? You mean she does it often?!

@tattacus: Always...

OMFG!!!!!Not my all time favorite character that I idolized thanks to Spiderman and His Amazing friends and got me into comics when I was a kid!!!! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I always hoped someone would write great stories for him since he's often been treated like he's invisible, BUT NOT THIS!!!!!!!!! MARVEL, you're just killing me!!!!

@ms-lola: Very good post. You win the thread.

@ec2277: I hear you.

Oh, I know. I have issues with that as well.

He's also smeared himself on other characters like X-23. It's why I've stopped reading ANXM. And Uncanny. I've been getting my X-Men fix in other books for a while now.

Maybe it's a yet unknown sideeffect of timetravel? :)

Time Travel - May turn you gay.

@outside_85: I don't think lol, he's just another Bobby

Well, that was silly.

@farkam: This is killing me, man. I'm holding back, a lot.

its just doesnt seem earned, like we are doing it just to do it. and also Jean is just turning into a horrible character. She just uses people to get what she wants, acts like the victim when she is stirring stuff up, and invades the minds and privacy of everyone around her and doesnt give two craps. I dont mind that they make Iceman gay cuz 1) he is honestly one of my least liked X-men characters 2) I am not reading this book so I honestly have no investment into his character. The problem I have is that it is turning homosexuality into a sensational plot device instead of a natural character identity trait. He's gay so what, they only reason Bendis is making a big deal out of this because he insists that it must be a big deal. Instead of giving the character and homosexuality the respect and dignity it deserves, its just a throwaway gimmick to try and sell comics.

I like that some people actually think Bendis tries anymore. Guy can't even spell Richard Rider's name correctly.

I also like that people are justifying this as, "Well...Bobby hid it for 52 years of publishing!"

Whatever guys; its Bendis, its a retcon.

by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Not just from a pointless to the story standpoint, but also from what it implies.

It implies that people CHOOSE to be homosexual. When in fact that is not true. Hey I have a question for all heterosexuals : "When did we decide that we were going to be straight?" Exactly. I didn't remember choosing I like women. I just do. Just like homosexual's "just like the same sex".

Screw religion or beliefs or values, Factually speaking: you don't choose who you are attracted too. For bobby's older self to be straight but his younger self to be gay makes absolutely no sense. Who in the hell green lit this garbage? It is pointless and contradictory to the character.

This is so stuiped... dont make people gay, its gay. Focus on writeing good storys.

@wessaari: At least she does not have the Phoenix...

That is so cynically laughable, even for marvel and even for Bendis that is just worth a laugh and nothing more.

I couldn't think of a more pointless change. Was this really necessary?

@frozen: lol, it's All-New X-Men