Guide to Reading X-Men Comics

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#1 Edited by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey guys, I started this guide a while back. It's been growing and growing, and I've mostly kept to reddit with it. I though it might help some new readers out on ComicVine as well. Enjoy!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/547m87/beginners_guide_to_reading_xmen/

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How to use this guide:

Each section will start a new "era" of the X-Men. You can start at any one of these sections and need only the knowledge provided from this guide to get started.

While, this guide was originally intended for new readers to the series, anyone can use this guide to expand their knowledge of the X-Men. The main sections of the guide follow very closely to the main X-Book(s) in that specific time period, but there is also optional reading included to help get you started in the extended X-Universe.

I know a franchise like X-Men can be daunting to jump into, and I hope this entices you get reading.

The Original X-Men (1963-70) & Modern Interpretations

This is the very beginning, and you’ll need no previous knowledge to start at this point. This era is different than most because you have multiple options when starting with stories of the original team of X-Men.

Option #1: The Stan Lee and Jack Kirby issues of X-Men. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the X-Men in 1963. Stan Lee wrote the first 19 issues, and Jack Kirby penciled the first 17 issues. It's the original introduction of characters we still know today: Prof X, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Magneto, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch. While these issues aren't necessarily good, they're important because of the characters and concepts it sets up.

• Uncanny X-Men (v1) #1-19

Option #2: X-Men: First Class, original and modern stories that take place within this Silver Age era. It is a series of standalone volumes from the mid 2000’s that follows the original five X-Men in some all-ages adventure. This series is particularly good to give to younger kids who want to read X-Men. Between all three volumes there are about 30 issues, but they read a lot faster than the old Silver Age comics. You’d probably get through these faster than the original Lee/Kirby run.

• X-Men First Class (v1) #1-8
• X-Men First Class Special #1
• X-Men First Class (v2) #1-16
• Giant Size X-Men FIrst Class #1
• X-Men First Class Finals #1-4

Option #3: A graphic novel from 2012 called X-Men: Season One. If you’re in a hurry, then this is the quickest way to read about the original X-Men. Similar to First Class it follows the original 5 X-Men in their early time at Xavier's, but in a more modern setting. It retells the first few issues from the Lee/Kirby run through the eyes of Jean Grey.

• X-Men Season One (Graphic Novel)

From here you can move on to the next section or take a look at one or more optional arcs that each section will have. They’re not essential, but they will introduce you to more facets of the X-Men universe.

OPTIONAL: The most celebrated issues of Silver Age X-Men are the Roy Thomas and Neal Adams run. This was the last run of this era of X-Men before it's put into reprints. Read X-Men #55-66.

OPTIONAL: There was a title published in the late 90’s called X-Men The Hidden Years. This title attempted to “fill in” the gap in between issues #66 and #94 when the X-Men were in reprints. These are the untold stories of the time period. Read X-Men: The Hidden Years #1-22

The Chris Claremont Era (1975-1991)

This is the start of Chris Claremont’s time on the book. While Stan Lee and Jack Kirby invented the X-Men, Chris brought them back from obscurity and perfected them. He is on the book for 16 straight years, and his whole run is basically one very long story. Some of his characters and plot points still have lasting effects in comics that are being released today. It’s best to read it all in order, but I broke it up a bit for those who want to jump around.

Chris Claremont Era #1

The first era of Chris's run included moments like Jean Grey becoming The Phoenix, the battle against Proteus, the introduction of Dazzler & Kitty Pryde, Jean's descent into Dark Phoenix, the standoff on the moon, and the dystopian future of Days of Future Past.

• Giant Size X-Men #1
• Uncanny X-Men #94-124
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #3
• Uncanny X-Men #125-138
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #4
• Uncanny X-Men #139-143

Chris Claremont Era #2

Chris' second era on the book sees Kitty Pryde becoming a full member of the team, the introduction of Rogue as a villain and eventual member of the team, the struggle against The Brood in space, introduction of Madelyne Pryor, Rachel Summers traveling from the future, the attack of Nimrod, adventures in Asgard, and the Trial of Magneto.

• Uncanny X-Men #139-150
• Avengers Annual #10
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #5
• Uncanny X-Men #151-160
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #6
• Uncanny X-Men #161-168
• X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills
• Uncanny X-Men #169-175
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #7
• Uncanny X-Men #176-192
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #8
• X-Men & Alpha Flight #1-2
• Uncanny X-Men #193-198
• New Mutants Special #1
• X-Men Annual #9
• Uncanny X-Men #199-200

Chris Claremont Era #3

The third era of the Chris' run starts with Magneto taking over the Xavier School after Charles is transported into space with Lilandra and the Starjammers. Longshot, Dazzler, and Psylocke join the team. This is the start of the era of crossover between titles. X-Factor is formed by the original 5 X-Men and the New Mutants become more involved in the X-Men's big events: Mutant Massacre, The Fall of the Mutants, and Inferno bring in all three teams into these events.

• Uncanny X-Men #199-210
• X-Factor #9
• Uncanny X-Men #211
• X-Factor #10
• New Mutants #46
• Thor #373
• Power Pack #27
• Uncanny X-Men #212
• X-Factor #11
• Uncanny X-Men 213
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #10
• Uncanny X-Men #214-219
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #11
• Uncanny X-Men #220-234
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #12
• Uncanny X-Men #235-241
• X-Factor #36-37
• Uncanny X-Men #242
• X-Factor #38
• Uncanny X-Men #243
• X-Factor #39

Chris Claremont Era #4

This is the end of Chris’ era as he abruptly leaves Marvel in 1991. This section includes the introduction of Gambit and Jubilee. It also includes the storylines X-Tinction Agenda and The Muir Island Saga.

• Uncanny X-Men #244-245
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #13
• Uncanny X-Men #246-267
• Fantastic Four Annual #23
• X-Factor Annual #5
• New Mutants Annual #6
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #14
• Uncanny X-Men #268-270
• New Mutants #95
• X-Factor #60
• Uncanny X-Men #271
• New Mutants #96
• X-Factor #61
• Uncanny X-Men #272
• New Mutants #97
• X-Factor #62
• Uncanny X-Men #273-277
• New Mutants Annual #7
• New Warriors Annual #1
• Uncanny X-Men Annual #15
• X-Factor Annual #6
• Uncanny X-Men #278-279
• X-Factor #69
• Uncanny X-Men #280
• X-Factor #70
• X-Men (v2) #1-3

OPTIONAL: Wolverine was a popular character almost immediately, and he was one of the first to get his own series. He goes on to have multiple series’, but for the first part of his solo Marvel history check out Wolverine v1 #1-4, Marvel Comics Presents v1 #1-10, and Wolverine v2 #1-16.

OPTIONAL: The popularity of the X-Men caused Marvel editors to want another mutant book. In response to that Chris Claremont created the younger team called New Mutants. Read Chris’ original run on the book: Marvel Graphic Novel #4, New Mutants #1-54

OPTIONAL: X-Factor brought back the original X-Men as a unified team for the first time since 1970. It was also a huge deal because Jean Grey had been dead in the comics since the Dark Phoenix saga. Check out X-Factor #1-70

OPTIONAL: Excalibur is another title that spun off from the X-Men and other characters Chris Claremont was writing at the time. It follows the UK based adventures of Captain Britain, Meggan, Nightcrawler, Kitty Pryde, and Rachel Summers. I'd recommend Chris' run on the book which is #1-34.

X-Men in the 90’s (1991-2001)

The X-Men have now reached peak popularity since their inceptions, and there’s a lot going on in the X-Universe at this time. There are multiple main titles and spin-offs. It can be daunting to start in this decade, but you’ve got two main ways you can read through the nineties:

The first way is to simply follow the two main books starting in 1991 (X-Men or Uncanny X-Men) and read them all the way through to the other side of the decade. X-Men (v2) starts with #1 and Uncanny X-Men starts with #281. There is an insane amount of crossover within this decade, so use this reading order to navigate your way through the decade.

The second option is the follow the big event storylines that happen throughout the decade through graphic novels.. This is the fastest way through the decade, but you lose a bit of story in the issues in between these trades. Most of these are collected in paperbacks or hardback, but if you’re reading issue-to-issue you can reference the reading order linked in the paragraph above.

• Mutant Genesis
• X-Cutioner’s Song
• Fatal Attractions
• Phalanx Covenant
• Age of Apocalypse
• Onslaught
• Operation: Zero Tolerance
• The Twelve
• Dream’s End
• Eve of Destruction

OPTIONAL: Age of Apocalypse is a self contained story that takes place in an alternate universe. It’s collected into to one omnibus edition that includes all the issues, or into three trade paperbacks: Vol 1: Alpha, Vol 2: Reign, and Vol 3: Omega

OPTIONAL: Peter David's original run on X-Factor features a brand new team from the original lineup featuring Polaris, Havok, Multiple Man, Strong Guy, Wolfsbane, and Valerie Cooper. Read X-Factor #71-89.

OPTIONAL: New Mutants was rebooted by Rob Liefeld in 1991 to be X-Force. It features a lot of the same characters from the original run, but rebranded it into one of the most popular comics in the 90's. Read New Mutants 98-100 and then X-Force #1-15 for an introduction to the title.

OPTIONAL: Generation X replaced New Mutants as the "school" book that followed the younger generation of mutants. This follows mutants like Jubilee, Monet, Chamber, and Husk with Banshee and Emma Frost serving as leaders of the school. This book also cemented artist Chris Bachalo as a mainstay on X-Books for years to come. Check out writer Scott Lobdell's run on the book with issues #1-28.

Start of the Modern Era (2001-2004)

Grant Morrison took over X-Men (v2) in 2001 and it was renamed New X-Men for his entire time on the title. X-Men, and Marvel in general, was struggling in the nineties. This title brought X-Men back from the grave. It is what brought X-Men into the modern era of comics and is highly regarded on of the best complete runs on an X-Men title since Claremont left Marvel after X-Men (v2) #3.

• New X-Men #114-154

OPTIONAL: Chris Claremont started a new X-Men comic around this time called X-Treme X-Men v1. If you’re a fan of Claremont after reading his first run, then this may be worth checking this out.

OPTIONAL: The last part of X-Force v1 and X-Statix by Peter Milligan and Mike Allred is one of the zanier parts of the X-Universe. It’s a self contained story that requires no previous knowledge to read. Read: X-Force v1 #116-129 and X-Statix #1-26

OPTIONAL: Ultimate X-Men is a standalone, alternate universe title that was launched to help bring new readers into comics. It’s completely self contained, so it’s very easy to follow. Check out Ultimate X-Men #1-100 and Ultimate Comics X-Men #1-33.

Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men (2004-2008)

This is a direct response to Grant Morrison’s run on New X-Men, and it is just as highly regarded. Whedon is a huge fan of X-Men, and it really shows with this book. Unlike New X-Men, instead of renaming one of the main books, Astonishing is a brand new book that runs separate from the current X-Books and isn’t included in any events or crossover (at least during the Whedon run).

• Astonishing X-Men #1 – 24
• Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men #1

OPTIONAL: Warren Ellis and Marjorie Liu have great runs on this series as well. While not as universally liked as Whedon’s run, they’re both definitely worth your time. Read Astonishing X-Men #25-35 for Ellis’ run and #48-59, #62-68 for Liu’s run.

OPTIONAL: Peter David revived X-Factor after being off the stand for a few years. This iteration stars Jamie Madrox and his detective agency X-Factor Investigations. Read Madrox #1-5 and X-Factor v3 #1-50 & 200-262

OPTIONAL: Chris Claremont has a great run on Uncanny X-Men during era. He assembles a very classic team of X-Men and includes the fan favorite End of Grey's storyline. Read Uncanny X-Men #444-474

The House of M, M-Day, and the Mutant Messiah (2005-2012)

This section is basically going to be a whole bunch of mini-series and crossovers. They all fit in really well together, and they’re super important in the X-Men and Marvel universe as a whole. The events here set the stage for a huge shift in the X-Universe.

HOUSE OF M
• House of M #1-8

MESSIAH COMPLEX
• X-Men: Messiah Complex #1
• Uncanny X-Men #492
• X-Factor #25
• New X-Men #44
• X-Men #205
• Uncanny X-Men #493
• X-Factor #26
• New X-Men #45
• X-Men #206
• Uncanny X-Men #494
• X-Factor #27
• New X-Men #46
• X-Men #207

SECOND COMING
• X-Men: Second Coming #1
• Uncanny X-Men #523
• New Mutants #12
• X-Men: Legacy #235
• X-Force #26
• Uncanny X-Men #524
• New Mutants #13
• X-Men: Legacy #236
• X-Force #27
• Uncanny X-Men #525
• New Mutants #14
• X-Men: Legacy #237
• X-Force #28
• X-Men: Second Coming #2

SCHISM
• Schism #1-5
• Uncanny X-Men (v2) #1-10

AVENGERS VS. X-MEN
• Avengers vs. X-Men #0-12
• Uncanny X-Men (v2) #11-20

NOTE: If you want more information about Hope, Cable, and what's going on in between Messiah Complex and Second Coming, add this to the reading order after X-Men #207: Cable v2 #1-12, X-Force v3 #1-13, The Lives and Times of Lucas Bishop #1-3, X-Force/Cable: Messiah War #1, Cable #13, X-Force #14, Cable #14, X-Force #15, Cable #15, X-Force #16, Cable #16-24, and X-Force #17-25.

OPTIONAL: Mike Carey has a great 7 year run on X-Men v2 & X-Men Legacy during this time period. His issues crossover with most of the X-Men events of the time, but for the most part it’s easy to follow. Read in this order: X-Men v2 #188-204, X-Men Legacy #208-216, X-Men Original Sin crossover, X-Men Legacy #219-225, #238-248, Age of X crossover, and X-Men Legacy #249-260

OPTIONAL: Uncanny X-Force v1 by Rick Remender is one of the most celebrated X-books in recent history. Wolverine, Deadpool, Archangel, Psylocke, and Fantomex form a covert mutant team. It’s largely self-contained, check out #1-35.

OPTIONAL: Wolverine and the X-Men v1 by Jason Aaron is a book that focuses on the students of the Jean Grey school that Wolverine opens after the Schism mini-series. Keep in mind that Avengers vs. X-Men and Battle of the Atom intersect with this series, so you may want to read the events as you get to those tie-in issues. Read Wolverine and the X-Men v1 #1-42.

The Time-Displaced Original X-Men, Cyclops, and the Mutant Revolution (2012-2015)

What you need to know beforehand: Scarlet Witch altered reality by deleting the X-Gene from all but 198 mutants. After a while the first mutant, Hope, was finally born. After running through time for 16 years with Cable to protect her, Hope comes back to the present as a young woman. She is now believed to be the new host for the Phoenix. Also during that time, Cyclops and Wolverine split the X-Men into two separate factions due to differences on how to train the next generation of mutants. During a conflict with the Avengers about Hope, Cyclops, Emma Frost, Colossus, Magik, and Namor were empowered with portions of the Phoenix Force. The conflict between the groups culminated with Hope & Scarlet Witch kickstarting the mutant race and Cyclops killing Charles Xavier.

• Avengers Vs. X-Men: Consequences #1-5
• All-New X-Men #1-15
• Uncanny X-Men (v3) #1-11

BATTLE OF THE ATOM
• X-Men Battle of the Atom #1
• All-New X-Men #16
• X-Men (v4) #5
• Uncanny X-Men (v3) #12
• Wolverine and the X-Men #36
• All-New X-Men #17
• X-Men (v4) #6
• Uncanny X-Men (v3) #13
• Wolverine and the X-Men #37
• X-Men: Battle of the Atom #2

• All New X-Men #18-22
• Guardians of the Galaxy (v3) #11
• All-New X-Men #23
• Guardians of the Galaxy (v3) #12
• All-New X-Men #24
• Guardians of the Galaxy (v3) #13
• All New X-Men #25-37
• Uncanny X-Men #14 – 35
• All-New X-Men #40 – 41
• Uncanny X-Men #600

NOTE: I didn’t include the Black Vortex crossover that included All-New X-Men #38-39, but it is not necessary to read. The only thing you need to know is that young Angel was cosmically empowered by the Black Vortex and it altered his appearance and powers a bit. Also, Cyclops returns from his space adventures to rejoin the team.

OPTIONAL: After you read The Trial of Jean Grey, you can then start on the solo series for the young Cyclops. This is the space adventures of young Cyke, his space-pirate father Corsair, and his team. Read Cyclops #1-11.

OPTIONAL: During this time Greg Pak had a Storm series that is self contained and a great look at the character. While they talk about Storm’s past, you’re given context for everything that happens. Check out Storm #1-11.

OPTIONAL: Magneto by Cullen Bunn was probably the best solo X-Men book during this time. Because of it’s popularity, it crosses over with the AXIS and Secret Wars events. Neither are necessary to read this title, but they help out with the context of the crossover issues. Read Magneto #1-21

OPTIONAL: Si Spurrier writes some of the stranger X-Books out there, but his work is highly celebrated. For his work in the X-Men read his runs on the X-Club mini-series, X-Men Legacy, and X-Force.

The X-Men in Limbo & the Inhuman Conflict (2015-present)

Secret Wars ended the Marvel Universe, but now it has been rebuilt. The Inhuman Terrigen Mists have been released are traveling the world. The mist is dangerous, potentially deadly, and have made mutants infertile. The X-Men are split between two teams with different ideologies: Storm's team saving mutants and protecting them in Limbo (while trying to stay on good terms with the Inhumans), and Magneto's team looking to proactively keep mutants from extinction by whatever means necessary.

NOTE: Some future issues may be included lower on this list

• Extraordinary X-Men #1-7
• Uncanny X-Men (v4) #1-5

APOCALYPSE WARS
• Extraordinary X-Men #8-12
• Uncanny X-Men (v4) #6-10
• Civil War II: X-Men #1-4
• Extraordinary Annual #1
• Extraordinary X-Men #13-16
• Uncanny X-Men (v4) #11-15
• Uncanny X-Men (v4) Annual #1
• Death of X #1-4

INHUMANS VS. X-MEN
• Inhumans vs. X-Men #0-
• Extraordinary X-Men #17-
• Uncanny X-Men (v4) #16-

OPTIONAL: X-Men: Worst X-Men Ever by Max Bemis is a mini-series set outside of continuity that follows a mutant named Bailey. Bailey has the worst power you can get: to explode once and then die. It follows his time at the Xavier school and his path to becoming the type of hero that he admires. Read X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever #1-5.

OPTIONAL: All-New Wolverine stars Laura Kinney, the former X-23, as the brand new Wolverine. She takes up Logan's former codename and costume after his death, and this book follows her solo adventures. Read All-New Wolverine #1-Current.

OPTIONAL: The main-universe Wolverine is dead, but after Secret Wars a older, alt-universe version of Logan finds himself in a world that is much different that what he remembers. Read Old Man Logan v1 #1-5 & Old Man Logan v2 #1-Current. Another optional thing to read before these, would be Mark Millar's original Old Man Logan storyline.

Congratulations, if you’ve read everything on the list, you are now a X-Men X-pert!

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#2 Edited by Sprior93 (12214 posts) - - Show Bio

Excellent work! I'll try to direct new readers to this thread.

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#3 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@sprior93 Thanks! I'm always updating the PDF version of this. I was really tempted to just paste a link, but I was too excited that ComicVine actually lets me post a thread that has more than 10,000 characters like Reddit or CBR forums. lol

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#5 Posted by HAWK2916 (3714 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I think its a pretty solid list for sure.

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#6 Posted by McKlayn (1905 posts) - - Show Bio

yea that is a great list, i see so many post about this. This is a great one to have on the site

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#7 Edited by Takeshi55 (207 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a true expert until you've also read the UK Marvel exclusives and various cross-overs in the early 70s, when the X-Men were being reprinted.

Plus you didn't include issues involving specific characters, so this guide is more for people who want to know the basics, instead of the X-Men themselves.

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#8 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a true expert until you've also read the UK Marvel exclusives and various cross-overs in the early 70s, when the X-Men were being reprinted.

Plus you didn't include issues involving specific characters, so this guide is more for people who want to know the basics, instead of the X-Men themselves.

The whole "X-pert" thing was just suppose to be a "funny" ending to the guide. It's a beginner's guide. I'm not going to have them go read some obscure Marvel UK books or solo titles before reading some of the main series. I include a lot of side titles in the optional reading. I think that the books I've included is a great start for anyone trying to break into the X-Universe. Eventually take out the optional readings and included them in an Intermediate and Advanced reading guides.

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#9 Edited by Takeshi55 (207 posts) - - Show Bio

TBH I haven't got very far in the books, but I'd rather read them in the intended order, including the filler and bad arcs.

As long as it's got some character from 616 in it, otherwise I'm not interested.

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#10 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916: Yea. There may need to be a little clarification on the 90's titles (as hard as it is crack that one) and their arcs but I'm all for it.

@god_spawn- Any way we can get this pinned to the top of the forum or does it conflict to much with the "recommended reading" pages purpose. I'm thinking this would be a cool list, and a cool page for the people who keep asking for places to start to either find their own place or to gather an ask for help.

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#11 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

TBH I haven't got very far in the books, but I'd rather read them in the intended order, including the filler and bad arcs.

As long as it's got some character from 616 in it, otherwise I'm not interested.

You're not the far in the books, but you claim to know what it takes to be an expert?

That's fine if you're not interested, but there is no point for me to point new readers to sub par stories that aren't even tied to the main narrative.

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#12 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: The 90's section is so hard for me to even think about rewriting because everything crosses over so much. I may end up rewriting that section like the House of M to Schism section, just a good mix of key issues and crossovers/events starting with Mutant Genesis, X-Cutioner's Song, etc moving all the way up to The Twelve, Revolution reboot, etc.

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#13 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: I can understand that. I mean personally things like the legacy Virus, the comings and goings of Magneto, Stryfe and Apocalypse. All sort of occur on top of eachother....which is cool for when you read them, but I can say with experience that it's easier to just start from the beginning and ride the wave.

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@koays said:

@oldnightcrawler@cattlebattle@hawk2916@adamtrmm I know we were discussing things in regards to this, any thoughts?

If it checks out I wanna ask a mod to Pin it to the top.

eh, it's a decent enough overview of the eras, but I'm inclined to see it as a bit exhaustive for a "beginners guide"..

I do like how it breaks it into eras for a new reader to choose from.. but I think as a beginner's guide it might be worth mentioning which eras are best to start from, though, admittedly, that might just be a personal preference.

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#15 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Haha "ride the wave" I like it. I really need to go and re-read a lot of 90's stuff and maybe I can come up with some good starting points. Looking back, everything just feels mushed together though.

I really want to expand my optional section for the 90's as well. I was thinking about adding some Excalibur stuff in there.

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#16 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: It could be trimmed down to just a pure list, but I feel like it loses effectiveness in that form.

Let me know if there's any of those sections that aren't as good starting points as others, or if there are any you think I should add in.

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#17 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: Lol I think some adjustments were made on the more recent titles since I tagged...but yea I felt like one of the things that we all kept jumping around when we discussed it before was that we all sort of had different ideas on what the starting point was/should be for a recommendation. And here I think it gives the newbie a chance to know the path for whichever one they chose rather then be influenced to strongly by someone not liking an era.

I mean a sidebar maybe for Claremont being something that should be read eventually, but otherwise everything else and if/when you read it is debatable.

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#18 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: I think Uncanny and All New were both overly included in the Post AvX Marvel Now part... Yesterdays X-Men, BotA, Trial, the Annuals and The Will of Xavier seem to be the most important parts. Where as this sort of forces toread everything

I understand the 90's drag, and honestly it's my weakest X-Men subject. But really I think that the less is more format is the best with maybe a list of major story arcs the recur in the background.

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#19 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:

@koays: Haha "ride the wave" I like it. I really need to go and re-read a lot of 90's stuff and maybe I can come up with some good starting points. Looking back, everything just feels mushed together though.

I really want to expand my optional section for the 90's as well. I was thinking about adding some Excalibur stuff in there.

For me, I honestly think the best place to start in the 90's is right after X-Cutioner's Song.

X-Men #17 and The Uncanny X-Men #297 from the start of '93 are a decent jumping on point for getting on board for Legacies, Fatal Attractions, Phalanx Covenant, etc..

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#20 Posted by HAWK2916 (3714 posts) - - Show Bio

I think if you just call it a guide to the Xmen it might be fine since beginners might seem to be a point of contention. That said i like the list really

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#21 Edited by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916 @oldnightcrawler @koays What do you think about this as a replacement for the current 90's section.

I also want your feedback on omitting or adding storylines for the second part of this:

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X-Men in the 90’s (1991-2001)

The X-Men have now reached peak popularity since their inceptions, and there's a lot going on in the X-Universe at this time. There are multiple main titles and spin-offs. It can be daunting to start in this decade, but you've got two main ways you can read through the nineties:

The first way is to start with either of the two main titles of the decade (X-Men and Uncanny X-Men) and read them all the way through to the other side. X-Men starts with #1 and Uncanny X-Men starts with #281. Keep an eye out at the end of each issues to see where to read next. If it doesn't explicitly say, then the best bet is to go to the next issue in whatever series you started with. You'll read all the way until you reach X-Men #113 (this is the last issue you'll read no matter what series you started with)

The second option is the follow the big event storylines that happen throughout the decade. Most of these are collected in paperbacks or hardback, but if you're reading online just Google them for a reading order. Here is the reading order:

Mutant Genesis

The Coming of Bishop

X-Cutioner's Song

A Skinning of Souls

Fatal Attractions

Bloodties

Child's Play

Phalanx Covenant

Legion Quest

Onsluaght

Operation: Zero Tolerance

The Hunt for Xavier

The Shattering

The Twelve

Powerless

Dream's End

Eve of Destruction

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#22 Posted by HAWK2916 (3714 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: Thi is normally what i tell people for the following the Xmen in the 90's just read the big stories like these that you mentioned and you get a pretty decent overview of the terminator-esque, big-guns, shoulder-pads, crazy hair, huge muscles and little ankles of the 90's era

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#23 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:

@hawk2916 @oldnightcrawler @koays What do you think about this as a replacement for the current 90's section.

I also want your feedback on omitting or adding storylines for the second part of this:

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X-Men in the 90’s (1991-2001)

The X-Men have now reached peak popularity since their inceptions, and there's a lot going on in the X-Universe at this time. There are multiple main titles and spin-offs. It can be daunting to start in this decade, but you've got two main ways you can read through the nineties:

The first way is to start with either of the two main titles of the decade (X-Men and Uncanny X-Men) and read them all the way through to the other side. X-Men starts with #1 and Uncanny X-Men starts with #281. Keep an eye out at the end of each issues to see where to read next. If it doesn't explicitly say, then the best bet is to go to the next issue in whatever series you started with. You'll read all the way until you reach X-Men #113 (this is the last issue you'll read no matter what series you started with)

The second option is the follow the big event storylines that happen throughout the decade.

I really don't think that second option is the way to go, personally. The 90's are one of the harder eras to get into, but the crossovers and events don't really help. You really can get most of the story, even for most of the crossovers by just following X-Men and The Uncanny X-Men, as most of the other titles were more like tie-ins than central parts of the story.

Besides that, following just the big events misses not only a lot of the best issues, but also issues that build the story to the major developments of the events. A Skinning of Souls isn't a big event in itself, but without reading the stories between it and Fatal Attractions, a lot of the emotional weight of FA just seems like it wouldn't have any context.

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#24 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: Yeah you're right I guess. My best bet is to probably just read through all those issues again sometime soon and figure out one or two more starting points in the decade (sort of how I sectioned out the Claremont Section). It's been a while since I've read most of those issues anyway.

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#25 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at "little ankles of the 90's"

I'm with @oldnightcrawler on the idea of not following just the events. I mean if your just trying to get a cursory understanding sure by all means save time and money....but if you actually want to know the 90's comics there a little to tightly knitted to ignore a lot of the build up stuff. Like how a big part of Fatal Attractions is Colossus, and I find that most of his story isn't really told during that so much as before and after.

Idk, maybe if I get stuck inside over the weekend i'll try to investigate, but its way to hard for me to honestly pry apart plot points for the books to decide where to draw a line for recommendation, and everything Post 95/96 jumps from good to bad and back so fast(often at the same time) that I can't really say you can recommend anything other then short story arcs.

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#26 Edited by HAWK2916 (3714 posts) - - Show Bio

For me all the stuff that you can get in trades for 90's is the way to go. Someone mentioned A Skinning of Souls which is in trade. I would stick with that really otherwise just read everything which is unnecessary and really gets kind of convoluted

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#27 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

I updated the top post with the link to my PDF that I always update first. If this does end up getting pinned to the top, it's the best way to make sure this thread always has the most up to date version.

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#28 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio
@tec2030 said:

I updated the top post with the link to my PDF that I always update first. If this does end up getting pinned to the top, it's the best way to make sure this thread always has the most up to date version.

nah, i think they'd prefer to have it up on the site...that way it's not like some weird link to someones crazy x-men monkey porno pdf. I'd post it back up, but leave the link just in case....the link to the list not the monkey porno *shivers*

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#29 Edited by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Scribd is arguably a more reputable website than Comic Vine. They have a very popular Netflix-style subscription service for ebooks, audiobooks, and comicbooks (including some Marvel ones).

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#30 Edited by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: perhaps...but idk why they'd want to pinn something to a forum directing traffic away from this site to get information on comics.

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#31 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:

@oldnightcrawler: Yeah you're right I guess. My best bet is to probably just read through all those issues again sometime soon and figure out one or two more starting points in the decade (sort of how I sectioned out the Claremont Section). It's been a while since I've read most of those issues anyway.

this is my two cents on 90's X-men:

I know this really isn't in the spirit of what you're trying to do here, but as someone who values good X-men stories and good comics in general, these are really the only parts of the 90's X-men I can honestly recommend.

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#32 Posted by HandOfPrometheus (581 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow this would of been helpful for me earlier lol. Thank you so much with the X-Men and Marvels ridiculously long continuity I kept jumping from timeline to timeline. I actually started with New X-men Grant Morrison run which I loved then went to read Astonishing X-Men along with the Jim Lee X-Men still haven't finished those plus I caught up on All New X-men and Uncanny X-men (Marvel Now one) which i'm later waiting for the 600 issue one. Yeah i'm all over the place.

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#33 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: I can add it back if necessary, but I don't see it as directing people away from the site. I'm directing them to the source that will always stay updated no matter what, even if I become inactive on this forum. I feel like it would be different if I was directing them to a post on another X-Men board, but it's just a site that hosts PDFs/eBooks.

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@oldnightcrawler: That's a really solid list. I totally agree that the early 90's is where it's at for X-Men. As far as optional stuff I really want to get some Excalibur issues in there, and maybe even a bit of X-Force just to flesh out what the era was all about. Gen X will definitely make it into the optional section though, as will a bit of Wolverine and X-Me Unlimited.

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@handofprometheus: Glad I could help!

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#34 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: I get your point, it's just how the mods might judge it. I mean even if it is up to date, it's not like they're going to keep checking to make sure of whats in the file.

Where as if it's just a normal post then even if you never update it again then it's at least covers over 40 years of X-Men starting points as is. I'd include the link just in case, but i think that having it on the site may be more beneficial. And as someone who gets stuck answering a lot of these questions I REALLY want a guide of sorts up on this board.


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#35 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: Yeah you're right. Also, having a text version on here would be nice if the Scribd site ever goes down.

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#36 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030:Yea, of course it's all for naught if we can't get a mod to pin to the board.

@sc- Anyway we can get this to pin to the top of the X-Boards? Might be a useful utility and a easy place to gather for answers (both to give and recieve) for the "where do i get started?" questions that tend to go ignored do to their frequency.

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#37 Posted by GhostRider88 (512 posts) - - Show Bio

IMO, the Clarement Era is the way to go. it's where I started and I have no regrets. Basically, first you read the 1975 Giant Size X-Men issue and then just pickup reading the Uncanny X-Men series starting at issue #94 on (1975). That isn't to say everything that happens before '75 wasn't important or worth reading, maybe it was. But at that time, the X-Men weren't very popular which is why I say that it was Clarement who made the X-Men what they are today. Besides, everyone knows the best & most crucial X-Men stories came from the 70's & 80's. But there's one more thing worth noting, if you do follow this beginners way to starting the X-Men, you should also dive into the New Mutants series when you get to it (1983) and X-Factor (1986).

Honorable Mention: A great short cut (if you wish to save money) would be to just reading Classic X-Men V.1.

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#38 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

Honorable Mention: A great short cut (if you wish to save money) would be to just reading Classic X-Men V.1.

Lol this is a great point...it's been so long since i've actually bought something older then like 91 that idk what some of the older stuff even cost anymore. Those Classic X-Men vols should be hailed as treasure at this point.

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#39 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: @ghostrider88: If we're talking about saving money, Marvel Unlimited or Collected Editions are the best value. lol

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#40 Edited by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

Aw spit. Look at us revolutionizing the X-boards. I think its time for a speech:

Today my fellow X-Fans we (and the mods) have made history. No more will we the lost and weary be condemned to posting "Where do I start" threads that get no response. No longer will those willing to help guide them to the promise land feel awkward by being the only one to respond. No more will our awesome monthly threads about "Recent Subjects" or giving each other mutant powers, be bumped down to the bottom of the thread by poor souls who can't find their way through the 90's books. Today! We have progress, TToday!we have a beacon. Today! We have a pinned thread!!!

OK I had too much coffee but whatever.

For future reference though anyone having trouble understanding, sifting through, or finding a certain character, run or arc. Or just looking for more information can feel free to tag me to ask questions...I'll try to help, and when I eventually steer you wrong and leave you more confused and crying .. I'll direct you to @Oldnightcrawler free of charge :)

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#41 Edited by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030: couple things, take as you will..

  • As I mentioned earlier read Giant-Size X-Men #1 first!
  • The first era of Chris’ run includes the storylines like The Phoenix Saga, The Dark Phoenix Saga, Proteus, and Days of Future Past. The reading order is Uncanny X-Men (v1) #94-143. Issue #94 picks up right where Giant-Size X-Men #1 left off.
  • Chris’ second era on the books begins when Kitty Pryde joins the team and Jean Grey had died after becoming Dark Phoenix. You’ll see the storylines: Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, and Inferno. The reading order is Uncanny X-Men (v1) #139-243. (Note that some arcs crossover with other X-Men titles).

Days of Future Past should be considered the beginning of Claremont's second era, not the end of the first. Especially if you're making the cut when Kitty joins the team (which does make sense), because she joins two issues before it happens (and is the main character).

OPTIONAL: God Loves, Man Kills: This is a standalone graphic novel that was written during this era. It’s widely regarded as one of the best X-Men stories of all time. It was the inspiration for the second X-Men movie.

It seems strange that you include God Loves, Man Kills as "optional" while recognizing that it's among the most highly regarded.

I mean, they're all optional, really, but this phrasing makes it seem like reading this story is less central to Claremont's works than say, the X-Tinction Agenda, which, while not bad, is kind of just a sequel to a better story* that you didn't even mention, while GLMK is considered one of the most singular X-men stories by virtually anyone..

*(this one)
*(this one)

That just struck me as odd.

Oh, otherwise, great job!

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#42 Edited by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:
@ghostrider88 said:

Honorable Mention: A great short cut (if you wish to save money) would be to just reading Classic X-Men V.1.

Lol this is a great point...it's been so long since i've actually bought something older then like 91 that idk what some of the older stuff even cost anymore. Those Classic X-Men vols should be hailed as treasure at this point.

And the original Classic X-Men (1986-90*) featured backup stories, mostly by Claremont, set in the era of the issues, which to my mind makes them far superior to the original printings.

*(not to be confused with X-Men Classic -1990-95 -which were just strait reprints**)

**(albeit, of kinda better stories :p)

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#43 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: If you notice I included a little overlap between the end of the first era and the second era. Days of Future Past is included in both. I started writing this when the movie had just left theatres, so it made sense to have that source material included twice. I guess I could change it now.

As for God Loves, Man Kills I included it at "optional" cause most of the stuff in the optional section sits outside of the main titles, but I could included it as it's own bullet point somewhere in there (maybe in between era 2 and 3?)

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#44 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:
@ghostrider88 said:

Honorable Mention: A great short cut (if you wish to save money) would be to just reading Classic X-Men V.1.

Lol this is a great point...it's been so long since i've actually bought something older then like 91 that idk what some of the older stuff even cost anymore. Those Classic X-Men vols should be hailed as treasure at this point.

And the original Classic X-Men (1986-90*) featured backup stories, mostly by Claremont, set in the era of the issues, which to my mind makes them far superior to the original printings.

*(not to be confused with X-Men Classic -1990-95 -which were just strait reprints**)

**(albeit, of kinda better stories :p)

Lol can't argue with the better stories part...though it does make me wonder if Claremont ever slept...


Is Classic X-Men the only prints of the back up stories? Or are they collected somewhere else too? You'd think they'd use that run as the standard since it's like the extended edition, but I rarely see anything that I know can identify as definetly being from Classic X-Men.

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#46 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:

Dude is a known cocaine user...I mean it was New York in the 80's after all.

HEY! New York also has pizza and cheesecake..no on ever accuses those of inspiring genius...god.



(Though if it's true, i'm thinking we need to reevaluate our stance on drugs. In 2016 maybe the X-Boards should come out in support of writer drug use....though theres a possibility Bendis has been waiting for this exact moment to tell us the real reason Jean Grey turned purple)

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#47 Posted by tec2030 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:
@tec2030 said:

Dude is a known cocaine user...I mean it was New York in the 80's after all.

HEY! New York also has pizza and cheesecake..no on ever accuses those of inspiring genius...god.

(Though if it's true, i'm thinking we need to reevaluate our stance on drugs. In 2016 maybe the X-Boards should come out in support of writer drug use....though theres a possibility Bendis has been waiting for this exact moment to tell us the real reason Jean Grey turned purple)

I meant it more in the way of keeping him awake to write all those issues. NYC pizza definitely has a better chance of inspiring genius. haha

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#48 Posted by Koays (8137 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:
@koays said:
@tec2030 said:

Dude is a known cocaine user...I mean it was New York in the 80's after all.

HEY! New York also has pizza and cheesecake..no on ever accuses those of inspiring genius...god.

(Though if it's true, i'm thinking we need to reevaluate our stance on drugs. In 2016 maybe the X-Boards should come out in support of writer drug use....though theres a possibility Bendis has been waiting for this exact moment to tell us the real reason Jean Grey turned purple)

I meant it more in the way of keeping him awake to write all those issues. NYC pizza definitely has a better chance of inspiring genius. haha

Lol idk....4 slices and a sprite and i'm feeling too creative and fat to sleep so who knows.

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#49 Edited by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@tec2030 said:

@oldnightcrawler: If you notice I included a little overlap between the end of the first era and the second era. Days of Future Past is included in both. I started writing this when the movie had just left theatres, so it made sense to have that source material included twice. I guess I could change it now.

ah, I just noticed the overlap in the numbers now.. was more seeing that it was listed with the first section stories and not the second.

Yeah, I dunno, to me it belongs in the second, for all it's firsts that pertain to the 80's era: first story with Kitty as the hero, first Storm as the team's leader, first time the X-men face Mystique's Brotherhood, first foreshadowing of Magneto as an X-man, first foreshadowing of Kitty with Colossus... in a weird way, those two issues really set the stage for what the X-men would be through most of the next decade, like, issue #141 could have almost been issue #1 of a new series.

As for God Loves, Man Kills I included it at "optional" cause most of the stuff in the optional section sits outside of the main titles, but I could included it as it's own bullet point somewhere in there (maybe in between era 2 and 3?)

yeah, I figured that was the case, though it's interesting to me how many of the major X-men stories did take place outside the main series.. I mean, for ones deserving of their own bullet points there's Giant-Size X-Men #1 and God Loves, Man Kills at the very least..

..but also Marvel Graphic Novel #4 - The New Mutants: Renewal was the first New Mutants story, rather than starting in X-men or their own series.. Rogue first appearing in an Avengers annual.. Jean Grey coming back from the dead in Fantastic 4.. I mean, these other examples are nowhere near as important to the main X-men story, as they all feed into the series as they become relevant to it, but still..

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#50 Posted by oldnightcrawler (5695 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

(Though if it's true, i'm thinking we need to reevaluate our stance on drugs. In 2016 maybe the X-Boards should come out in support of writer drug use....though theres a possibility Bendis has been waiting for this exact moment to tell us the real reason Jean Grey turned purple)

were we ever against writer drug use? or drug use in general?

I certainly was never informed of this..

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