" @erik: Yeah, I'd see him with the Middle Eastern look going..dark skin but not enough to depict him as Black "Agreed.
X-Men
Team » X-Men appears in 13419 issues.
The X-Men are a superhero team of mutants founded by Professor Charles Xavier. They are dedicated to helping fellow mutants and sworn to protect a world that fears and hates them.
Black Mutants?
Ok, I found this site via this thread, so apologies if its ressurecting an old thread.
1. Sunspot = Yes. He is black. You can be brazilian and black. In fact, a simple wikipedia search will reveal the majority of brazilians are 'black' (by american standards...meaning having some black ancestry). As a person whos been to brazil, let me tell you you will probably see more black and 'brown' brazilians than 'white' people on any given day anywhere but on television or in far southern brazil (sao paolo). And brazilian culture, due to heavy influx of african populations during the slave trade (other than the US, Brazil brought the highest number of africans to the americas), there are far more 'african' traditions and styles you see in brazils music and culture and dance than even with African Americans in America, who have comparably been mostly wiped of all african heritage (aside from skin color).
2. Apocalypse = Depends on who was drawing him. He is from ancient egypt. If he was from pre-hellenic but post Kushitic egypt, he would look more black, because thats how most egyptians looked then (kushitic and nubian influenced). If he was from post hellenic egypt but pre-arab invasion egypt, he would look white (greek and roman influxed). If he was from modern (post islam) egypt, he would look arab. People, over time, change due to changing population mixing and invasions. You wouldnt say an American today looks then same as they did 2000 years ago (because most americans today are either of mostly european or african descent, and no longer native americans).
3. There is a difference between race, nationality and ethnicity.
Black/white/asian/amerindian = race.
Puerto Rican/Brazilian/American/Canadian = Nationalities.
Hispanic/Cajun, African American, Afro Latin American, = Ethnicities.
You can be a different category in in thing.
" Ok, I found this site via this thread, so apologies if its ressurecting an old thread. 1. Sunspot = Yes. He is black. You can be brazilian and black. In fact, a simple wikipedia search will reveal the majority of brazilians are 'black' (by american standards...meaning having some black ancestry). As a person whos been to brazil, let me tell you you will probably see more black and 'brown' brazilians than 'white' people on any given day anywhere but on television or in far southern brazil (sao paolo). And brazilian culture, due to heavy influx of african populations during the slave trade (other than the US, Brazil brought the highest number of africans to the americas), there are far more 'african' traditions and styles you see in brazils music and culture and dance than even with African Americans in America, who have comparably been mostly wiped of all african heritage (aside from skin color). 2. Apocalypse = Depends on who was drawing him. He is from ancient egypt. If he was from pre-hellenic but post Kushitic egypt, he would look more black, because thats how most egyptians looked then (kushitic and nubian influenced). If he was from post hellenic egypt but pre-arab invasion egypt, he would look white (greek and roman influxed). If he was from modern (post islam) egypt, he would look arab. People, over time, change due to changing population mixing and invasions. You wouldnt say an American today looks then same as they did 2000 years ago (because most americans today are either of mostly european or african descent, and no longer native americans). 3. There is a difference between race, nationality and ethnicity. Black/white/asian/amerindian = race. Puerto Rican/Brazilian/American/Canadian = Nationalities. Hispanic/Cajun, African American, Afro Latin American, = Ethnicities. You can be a different category in in thing. "and let me add to the the whole "America isn't the same as it was 2,000 yrs ago.I think it is sad how the white people came over here and took over the Native-Americans land,it's really sad those people are almost extinct now..it's so bad that they have to keep reserves for their race and culture.also African-Americans aren't the second highest populated race in America anymore,it's the Latino's and Hispanics..
1. Yes, it is very sad. Equal to that, how they have been removed is how their treaties are ignored by states and non natives today. Its a disgrace." @doctormallow said:
" Ok, I found this site via this thread, so apologies if its ressurecting an old thread. 1. Sunspot = Yes. He is black. You can be brazilian and black. In fact, a simple wikipedia search will reveal the majority of brazilians are 'black' (by american standards...meaning having some black ancestry). As a person whos been to brazil, let me tell you you will probably see more black and 'brown' brazilians than 'white' people on any given day anywhere but on television or in far southern brazil (sao paolo). And brazilian culture, due to heavy influx of african populations during the slave trade (other than the US, Brazil brought the highest number of africans to the americas), there are far more 'african' traditions and styles you see in brazils music and culture and dance than even with African Americans in America, who have comparably been mostly wiped of all african heritage (aside from skin color). 2. Apocalypse = Depends on who was drawing him. He is from ancient egypt. If he was from pre-hellenic but post Kushitic egypt, he would look more black, because thats how most egyptians looked then (kushitic and nubian influenced). If he was from post hellenic egypt but pre-arab invasion egypt, he would look white (greek and roman influxed). If he was from modern (post islam) egypt, he would look arab. People, over time, change due to changing population mixing and invasions. You wouldnt say an American today looks then same as they did 2000 years ago (because most americans today are either of mostly european or african descent, and no longer native americans). 3. There is a difference between race, nationality and ethnicity. Black/white/asian/amerindian = race. Puerto Rican/Brazilian/American/Canadian = Nationalities. Hispanic/Cajun, African American, Afro Latin American, = Ethnicities. You can be a different category in in thing. "and let me add to the the whole "America isn't the same as it was 2,000 yrs ago.I think it is sad how the white people came over here and took over the Native-Americans land,it's really sad those people are almost extinct now..it's so bad that they have to keep reserves for their race and culture.also African-Americans aren't the second highest populated race in America anymore,it's the Latino's and Hispanics.. "
2. Hispanics are NOT the second largest race in America. They are the second largest ethnicity. Ethnicity is different than race. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, mullato and mestizo hispanics.
So, the largest 2 races in america are white, then black, then asian, then mestizo then mullato.
The order of largest 'ethnicities' in America are German White, Hispanic, african american, English white, and Irish White.
" @Aqua11500 said:Well yea ,and thanks for correcting me i usually don't get ethnicity's,race and nationalities mixed up.1. Yes, it is very sad. Equal to that, how they have been removed is how their treaties are ignored by states and non natives today. Its a disgrace. 2. Hispanics are NOT the second largest race in America. They are the second largest ethnicity. Ethnicity is different than race. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, mullato and mestizo hispanics. So, the largest 2 races in america are white, then black, then asian, then mestizo then mullato. The order of largest 'ethnicities' in America are German White, Hispanic, african american, English white, and Irish White. "" @doctormallow said:
" Ok, I found this site via this thread, so apologies if its ressurecting an old thread. 1. Sunspot = Yes. He is black. You can be brazilian and black. In fact, a simple wikipedia search will reveal the majority of brazilians are 'black' (by american standards...meaning having some black ancestry). As a person whos been to brazil, let me tell you you will probably see more black and 'brown' brazilians than 'white' people on any given day anywhere but on television or in far southern brazil (sao paolo). And brazilian culture, due to heavy influx of african populations during the slave trade (other than the US, Brazil brought the highest number of africans to the americas), there are far more 'african' traditions and styles you see in brazils music and culture and dance than even with African Americans in America, who have comparably been mostly wiped of all african heritage (aside from skin color). 2. Apocalypse = Depends on who was drawing him. He is from ancient egypt. If he was from pre-hellenic but post Kushitic egypt, he would look more black, because thats how most egyptians looked then (kushitic and nubian influenced). If he was from post hellenic egypt but pre-arab invasion egypt, he would look white (greek and roman influxed). If he was from modern (post islam) egypt, he would look arab. People, over time, change due to changing population mixing and invasions. You wouldnt say an American today looks then same as they did 2000 years ago (because most americans today are either of mostly european or african descent, and no longer native americans). 3. There is a difference between race, nationality and ethnicity. Black/white/asian/amerindian = race. Puerto Rican/Brazilian/American/Canadian = Nationalities. Hispanic/Cajun, African American, Afro Latin American, = Ethnicities. You can be a different category in in thing. "and let me add to the the whole "America isn't the same as it was 2,000 yrs ago.I think it is sad how the white people came over here and took over the Native-Americans land,it's really sad those people are almost extinct now..it's so bad that they have to keep reserves for their race and culture.also African-Americans aren't the second highest populated race in America anymore,it's the Latino's and Hispanics.. "
Not so many black mutants but compared to the amount of black heroes in DC it's alot oh and you forgot
Shard (Bishop's sister)
Jetstream (Hellion of arabic desent)
Jo-beth(X-patriot mutate)
Hairbag (Nasty Boy)
The Anarchist(X-Statix)
Spike (X-Statix)
and the unamed New Mutant from New Mutants Annual #6
" Ok, I found this site via this thread, so apologies if its ressurecting an old thread. 1. Sunspot = Yes. He is black. You can be brazilian and black. In fact, a simple wikipedia search will reveal the majority of brazilians are 'black' (by american standards...meaning having some black ancestry). As a person whos been to brazil, let me tell you you will probably see more black and 'brown' brazilians than 'white' people on any given day anywhere but on television or in far southern brazil (sao paolo). And brazilian culture, due to heavy influx of african populations during the slave trade (other than the US, Brazil brought the highest number of africans to the americas), there are far more 'african' traditions and styles you see in brazils music and culture and dance than even with African Americans in America, who have comparably been mostly wiped of all african heritage (aside from skin color). 2. Apocalypse = Depends on who was drawing him. He is from ancient egypt. If he was from pre-hellenic but post Kushitic egypt, he would look more black, because thats how most egyptians looked then (kushitic and nubian influenced). If he was from post hellenic egypt but pre-arab invasion egypt, he would look white (greek and roman influxed). If he was from modern (post islam) egypt, he would look arab. People, over time, change due to changing population mixing and invasions. You wouldnt say an American today looks then same as they did 2000 years ago (because most americans today are either of mostly european or african descent, and no longer native americans). 3. There is a difference between race, nationality and ethnicity. Black/white/asian/amerindian = race. Puerto Rican/Brazilian/American/Canadian = Nationalities. Hispanic/Cajun, African American, Afro Latin American, = Ethnicities. You can be a different category in in thing. "Hispanic is a race. If you're describing a caucasian who was born in Spain and refer to them as Hispanic, THAT is ethnicity. But someone that is a Latino, whether they live in Brazil or Puerto Rico OR Spain, their status as a Hispanic/Latino IS their race. It's the color of their skin, their genetic makeup.
Quick gander at wikipedia (or websters) can verify it. Race and Ethnicity are two different things.
Added: Also, brazilians are not hispanic. They are sometimes refered to as Luso-hispanic, but not hispanic (they are not partially spanish, nor do they speak spanish). Trust me, you wouldnt want to call a brazilian person hispanic. Latin, maybe, but not hispanic.
Mexican = Nationality. Person born in mexico. Can be of any race (white, native, meztizo), and can be of any ethnicity (franco mexican, germano mexican, sino mexican, amero mexican)
Mexican American = Ethnicity. American (nationality) of mexican descent. Can be racially white, native, or meztizo.
Meztizo = Race. Person of mixed spanish european and native american ancestry. Can be mexican, or columbian, or any other latin american nationality.
A person can be all three, or any one of these things without being the other. Race and ethnicity are not the same. For references, check merriam websters dictionary. This is basic 6th grade social studies definitions stuff here. I grew up in the south and even I was taught it (no offense).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(comics)
except for the 3rd Light, Idie.......the new, new, NEW token black character of the X-Men. Why is there always only 1 spot allotted for black characters?
I know honestly each minority gets one spot, one Hispanic, and one Asian. Fortunately, Idie is a female minority and she is twelve those factors boost her chances of survival. I guarantee that either the Asian or Hispanic light gets it first, although the Hispanic light probably goes first seeing how common his powerset is.
Minority males all get killed, are villains, get depowered, or just character assassinated sometimes both.
The two most recent black males, Prodigy and Gentle, have been rendered useless. Gentle lost his vibranium so he might as well be depowered and Prodigy got depowered and replaced by X-club despite being smarter then all of them put together. Seriously from a main character in New X-men to haven't been seen since Second Coming where he was turned into a whiny wimp. Out and out character assassination.
All the living, black, powered mutants i researched and i think i found them all of course there will always be new ressurrections and now new manifestations but these are all for now:
DEFINATELY BLACK MUTANTS
Apocalypse
Bishop (lost in time)
Bling!
Bliss
Cecelia Rayes
Cypher (not to be confused with Cipher)
Darwin
Death Reaper (at least half black)
Felon
Frenzy
Gateway
Gentle
Gorilla Girl
Lightbright
Lil' Bro
Living Monolith
Mandrill
Nekrah
Storm
Sunspot (part black)
Tempo
Tito Bohusk (half black, his mom was Angel Salvadore)
POSSIBLY MUTANTS
Cloak (possibly a mutant, used to be but thats how he got his regular powers he might have lost his original ones on M-Day)
Doorman (same story as Cloak)
POSSIBLY BLACK
Possibly some of the Five Lights are Black
Asylum (possibly black, and possibly powered, like cloak his mutation caused him access to darkforce)
Batwing (we never see him in human form)
Gateway (never seen when a human)
Gargouille (never seen when a human)
Glob Herman (never seen when a human)
Greymalkin (mutation changed skin tones, we dont know what he actually looked like)
Leech (possibly, we dont know what he would look like non-powered)
Litterbug (never shown when human)
Masque (power deformed him beyond recognition)
Mystique (shapeshifter with naturally blue skin, possibly a neophyte, her true skin tones are unknown)
No-Girl (mutation changed skin tones and then she lost her body, so we dont know if she was black)
Prism (possibly black, also cloned by the sinisters so probably there are a few of him still alive)
Rockslide (might be, we never saw him in human form or his parents)
@fesak: m isn't black where did you here that??
" @Violet-Eyed Dragonoh well i guess that counts. so in that case Emplate is another living black mutant too.She's at least half black since her father is black
@fesak: m isn't black where did you here that?? "
"
regardless of who is what, there still arent enough mainstream or well known Black or African-American mutants
New Mutants has an unnamed black speedster with a crash helmet, looks cool, hopefully becomes a good guy, black version of Flash
" New Mutants has an unnamed black speedster with a crash helmet, looks cool, hopefully becomes a good guy, black version of Flash "? What issue is he in ?
" @Metatron_Da_Don said:He's part of Project Purgatory, he has only a few panels showing his powers. His name is not revealed yet so he doesnt have a page on here :S" New Mutants has an unnamed black speedster with a crash helmet, looks cool, hopefully becomes a good guy, black version of Flash "? What issue is he in ? "
Interesting point about the characters who's natural form we've never seen. I took out all the characters from your list I'm pretty sure are descendants of other darker skinned races (i.e. Gateway & Bishop are Aborigine)Apocalypse
Bling!
Cipher
Death Reaper (at least half black)
Felon
Frenzy
Gentle
Lightbright
Lil' Bro
Living Monolith
Nekrah
Storm
Tempo
Tito Bohusk (half black, his mom was Angel Salvadore)
Asylum (possibly black, and possibly powered, like cloak his mutation caused him access to darkforce)
Batwing (we never see him in human form)
Gargouille (never seen when a human)
Glob Herman (never seen when a human)
Leech (possibly, we dont know what he would look like non-powered)
Litterbug (never shown when human)
Mystique (shapeshifter with naturally blue skin, possibly a neophym, her true skin tones are unknown)
No-Girl (mutation changed skin tones and then she lost her body, so we dont know if she was black)
Prism (possibly black, also cloned by the sinisters so probably there are a few of him still alive)
Rockslide (might be, we never saw him in human form or his parents)
and we can add Idie, Gentle, M, Emplate, Synch & Prodigy
anyway, thanks for agreeing with me on the characters whos human forms we dont see. and cool to hear one of the five new mutants is black.
and while i think most of what your saying is totally right, i think you forgot prodigy is no longer a mutant. his power was photoimpressionistic and absorbant memory (like a souped-up Taskmaster) and he lost that power. he is still powerful becomes he remembers everything from when he was able to absorb it, but he doesnt absorb new things.
one last thing--i wouldnt be so sure gateway is still a mutant. his powers enabled him to tap into another dimension--just because he lost the x-gene wouldnt mean the portal that had become his body would close. just like it is theorized that if cyclops was depowered he would just explode since the x-gene makes him invulnerable to punch-dimension rays and the portal is a side effect. i think it would be interesting for them to develop this. i like the character gateway a lot id like to see him more.
anyway, thanks for reading my list :)
@Aqua11500 said:
" @Thunderscream: Bishop is not Aborigine. -_- He is black,don't know where the hell you got that from. "
bishop is aborigine. or at least of aborigine descent.
I know Prodigy is depowered, but he's still a valuable asset to the X-Men with the combined knowledge of Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine and Kitty. He could be the greatest leader the team has ever seen. Maybe if they gave him a power suit like Jubilee's old Wondra gettup he could hold his own in the field too.
" @Violet-Eyed Dragon: I thought Gateway was still powered I know Prodigy is depowered, but he's still a valuable asset to the X-Men with the combined knowledge of Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine and Kitty. He could be the greatest leader the team has ever seen. Maybe if they gave him a power suit like Jubilee's old Wondra gettup he could hold his own in the field too. "yeah. why doesnt anyone else where wondra gauntlets??@HurricanePanther said:
" @Violet-Eyed Dragon: then he is a genetically modified thingy or whatever still counts as a mutant the way i see it "he is a mutant in the fact that he is mutated. thats not the same thing as being a mutant. @unicornpuncher said:
" Sunspot is brazilian. I didn't know bling was black. "yeah bling's black you just cant tell lol.
sunspot is from brazil, but he has mixed heritage.
Interesting...never realized that. :\
@Aqua11500 said:
" @Thunderscream: Bishop is not Aborigine. -_- He is black,don't know where the hell you got that from. "
He is a decendant of Gateway (I think his great-grandfather), who was Australian aboriginal (widely considered "black"). M might be his grandmother too! ^_^
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