616 Kitty Pryde is running for President

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Merry Christmas.

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#2 Posted by MrNihal (3026 posts) - - Show Bio
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Really?

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#3 Posted by cattlebattle (17522 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't this always Claremont's endgame for the character??

*Sees Claremont wrote this*

Oh.

It's good to see this man never gives up.

Also, in the lofty speech I can't help but notice that it is implied that what happened in Genosha is being subtly compared to the Holocaust™. I don't get it. One was a convoluted series of events in world's history and the other was a crazy stillborn evil psychic entity twin just killing lots of people to mess with her brother. Whatever. Comic books are lame sometimes.

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@cattlebattle: Lmao
Marvel: Alright Chris. We know how wordy and complicated you like to get. And how you never give up on your 50 year plans for characters. But were really focused on a direction right now and we don't need anything complicated distracting the readers.
Claremont: *old man smile* How many issues do I get?
Marvel: We were gonna give you half a issue...but since your doing that same creepy smile you did right before you gave Rogue a bunch of sleeve tattoos, were gonna give you a page.
Claremont: Can I use narrator boxes?
Marvel: Fine....as long as you don't do anything that might be seen as world changing or culminating a long winded goal like...
Claremont: KITTYS THE PRESIDENT! WERE CALLING HER KATE NOW! SCREW YOU BYE!!!

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#5 Posted by adamTRMM (8931 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait where is this from?

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#6 Posted by AsheTDust (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm okay with this.

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#7 Posted by PyroFN (5662 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: The Merry Christmas issue of X-Men.

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#8 Posted by Takeshi57 (322 posts) - - Show Bio

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

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#9 Edited by PyroFN (5662 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: @cattlebattle: Wasn’t Kitty president in X-Men: The End?

*googles the mini-series*

Written by Chris Claremont....huh, go figure.

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#10 Posted by Koays (10574 posts) - - Show Bio

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

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#12 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (5848 posts) - - Show Bio

huh, no. stay x-maning

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#13 Posted by DeMightySquidge (70 posts) - - Show Bio

This sort of thing never turns out well.

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#15 Posted by GladeusEx (660 posts) - - Show Bio

In a world that apparently still hates mutants, in a world where Kitty Pryde is just another hero, and in a world where Kitty is obviously too young to be any sort of government official, how the hell does this work.

Ugh, whatever. It'll never last, it'll - literally - be over-political and it's doomed to fail.

Long live the Black Queen, etc etc.

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@gladeusex: *ahem* Black King. Unless you’re hailing Selene, in which, eh.

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Written by Guggenheim?

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@koays said:
@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

Woah, woah, woah.....woah. Are you guys talking about boundaries?? This is Claremont we're talking here. The guy laughs at them and masturbates to the idea of breaking boundaries. Not only will Kitty be the first Mutant President, but also the first female and Jewish president. Then I imagine at some point Claremont will have her develop cosmic powers somehow and she will defeat a Celestial, because he also nonsensically does shit like that.

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#20 Edited by jhazzroucher (25150 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she has guts and desire so why not?

I really want the age requirement for running for president to be lowered down.

the young people should have the right to run for president too.

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@cattlebattle said:

Woah, woah, woah.....woah. Are you guys talking about boundaries?? This is Claremont we're talking here. The guy laughs at them and masturbates to the idea of breaking boundaries. Not only will Kitty be the first Mutant President, but also the first female and Jewish president. Then I imagine at some point Claremont will have her develop cosmic powers somehow and she will defeat a Celestial, because he also nonsensically does shit like that.

Isn't that storm?

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@mrnihal said:
@cattlebattle said:

Woah, woah, woah.....woah. Are you guys talking about boundaries?? This is Claremont we're talking here. The guy laughs at them and masturbates to the idea of breaking boundaries. Not only will Kitty be the first Mutant President, but also the first female and Jewish president. Then I imagine at some point Claremont will have her develop cosmic powers somehow and she will defeat a Celestial, because he also nonsensically does shit like that.

Isn't that storm?

Nah man. He wanked all the female characters. In the 80s Kitty was a teenage genius ninja computer hacker with a gnarly pet dragon who best buds with most bad ass character and was the lynch pin to all the X-Men's victories. Claremont couldn't have gotten any more mary sue with her if he made her Jewish like himself....oh wait...

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#24 Posted by jhazzroucher (25150 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm would be a great president of the Philippines. :)

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#25 Posted by Mizerous (712 posts) - - Show Bio

Shouldn't she be worried about purple death robots on her door during the holidays?

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@mrnihal said:
@cattlebattle said:

Woah, woah, woah.....woah. Are you guys talking about boundaries?? This is Claremont we're talking here. The guy laughs at them and masturbates to the idea of breaking boundaries. Not only will Kitty be the first Mutant President, but also the first female and Jewish president. Then I imagine at some point Claremont will have her develop cosmic powers somehow and she will defeat a Celestial, because he also nonsensically does shit like that.

Isn't that storm?

Nah man. He wanked all the female characters. In the 80s Kitty was a teenage genius ninja computer hacker with a gnarly pet dragon who best buds with most bad ass character and was the lynch pin to all the X-Men's victories. Claremont couldn't have gotten any more mary sue with her if he made her Jewish like himself....oh wait...

Kitty already has cosmic powers because of the Black Mirror. She can phase the whole freakin' planet...with just a little nose bleed.

I wish they'd have her hold a lower political office first and build from there. Put Kitty in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's shoes to shake up Washington before rising through the ranks. What X-Men would she surround herself with on the campaign trail for points of reference? Would she need to keep a safe distance from the core team to avoid being entrapped by accusations of violence as the X-Men are painted as extremists by the BOM (Brotherhood of Morality)?

Was it BotA's alternate future where Dazzler became prez? That was weird. This is weird too. Kitty has been a lot of things, this just doesn't seem like a fit for her. I would've pegged Havok if anyone back when he was running the unity squad...buuuuuut those days're long gone.

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#27 Posted by MrNihal (3026 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderscream: You mean black vortex?Or there is black mirror too?

Yes in BOTA dazzler is president.

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#28 Posted by Thunderscream (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnihal: Oh you're right, Vortex. It's early here. Black Mirror is a show on Netflix.

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@mrnihal said:

@thunderscream: You mean black vortex?Or there is black mirror too?

Yes in BOTA dazzler is president.

I remember that too.

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#30 Posted by cattlebattle (17522 posts) - - Show Bio

Kitty already has cosmic powers because of the Black Mirror. She can phase the whole freakin' planet...with just a little nose bleed.

I wish they'd have her hold a lower political office first and build from there. Put Kitty in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's shoes to shake up Washington before rising through the ranks. What X-Men would she surround herself with on the campaign trail for points of reference? Would she need to keep a safe distance from the core team to avoid being entrapped by accusations of violence as the X-Men are painted as extremists by the BOM (Brotherhood of Morality)?

Was it BotA's alternate future where Dazzler became prez? That was weird. This is weird too. Kitty has been a lot of things, this just doesn't seem like a fit for her. I would've pegged Havok if anyone back when he was running the unity squad...buuuuuut those days're long gone.

You mean Black Vortex, Black Mirror is a tv show.

An no, Kitty should not be analogous to some shit tier politician who just promises people free shit that is gloated over by Neo Liberals and the media because of her ethnicity. She should be though, as you mentioned, analogous to a politician with ties to what is perceived as an "extremist group" but all of those have ties to groups that wouldn't be seen as "OK to justify" in our society.

As for Kitty's future, it was always hinted at that she would be some sort of politician. Claremont wasn't very good at foreshadowing and basically spelled out the final outcomes for most of the characters he worked with while writing. Kitty was always basically his mouthpiece for long winded diatribes about societal woes and prejudice along with Professor X, so, it wasn't hard to see that as a potential outcome for the character, which was later solidified in "X-Men The End" where he had Kitty indeed become President of the US.

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@cattlebattle: You know neo liberalism is less social security, less taxes, more privatization, right? It was a school of thought invented by Friedrich August von Hayeck about twenty of whose students were simultaneously economic advisers to Reagan and essentially crafted his entire devastating economic agenda. So why don't you learn what the words you use mean before you use them.

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#32 Posted by cattlebattle (17522 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: You know neo liberalism is less social security, less taxes, more privatization, right? It was a school of thought invented by Friedrich August von Hayeck about twenty of whose students were simultaneously economic advisers to Reagan and essentially crafted his entire devastating economic agenda. So why don't you learn what the words you use mean before you use them.

Go away, NPC,.

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@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

But Storm is like 10 years older than Kitty.

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#34 Posted by Koays (10574 posts) - - Show Bio

@takeshi57: debatable. All of the X-men at the time of kitty joining were between 19 and 24 in appearance (Except grandpa Logan).

Scott was supposedly 30 when Jean died, but Jean's comment that 16(at best) year old Rachel was somehow almost her age showed that the gap was pretty small between the kids and adults of the time.

Regardless current comics had people assuming Scott was in his early 40s, which would put Storm about the same which would put Kitty at about 32. Although Marvel time really has the older x-Men at around mid to late 30s, Kitty Rachel and the New Mutants in the mid to late 20s, Judbilee and Gen X in their early to mid 20s and the New X-Men kids anywhere from 18 to 21.

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@takeshi57: debatable. All of the X-men at the time of kitty joining were between 19 and 24 in appearance (Except grandpa Logan).

Scott was supposedly 30 when Jean died, but Jean's comment that 16(at best) year old Rachel was somehow almost her age showed that the gap was pretty small between the kids and adults of the time.

Regardless current comics had people assuming Scott was in his early 40s, which would put Storm about the same which would put Kitty at about 32. Although Marvel time really has the older x-Men at around mid to late 30s, Kitty Rachel and the New Mutants in the mid to late 20s, Judbilee and Gen X in their early to mid 20s and the New X-Men kids anywhere from 18 to 21.

Storm looks younger than her age and since she's on the second batch of x-men, she is younger than Cyclops between 2-4 years.

While the younger x-men like Kitty are written to get a bit older , the adult X-men like Cyclops, Storm , etc doesn't seem to get older and are still between 24-30 years old.

Jean and Cyclops got married in 1994 and up until now 2018, Jean still didn't get pregnant for Rachel.

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@jhazzroucher: Storm is older than Cyclops.

What rachel has to do with anything?

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@jhazzroucher: Storm is older than Cyclops.

What rachel has to do with anything?

What is your basis? The hair color?

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@koays said:
@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

But Storm is like 10 years older than Kitty.

Ya I imagine Storm in her 40's. She is the auntie to the x-men

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@trixie said:
@takeshi57 said:
@koays said:
@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

But Storm is like 10 years older than Kitty.

Ya I imagine Storm in her 40's. She is the auntie to the x-men

But you can't deny the fact that y'all think she's old because of her white hair.

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#44 Posted by LawCol (710 posts) - - Show Bio

She can run for the position, but I hope she doesn't get it. Apart from being one of the most obvious Mary Sue characters, she is too young, politically inexperienced, lacks connections to both major parties, a mutant living in an anti-mutant world, etc.

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@trixie said:
@takeshi57 said:
@koays said:
@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

But Storm is like 10 years older than Kitty.

Ya I imagine Storm in her 40's. She is the auntie to the x-men

But you can't deny the fact that y'all think she's old because of her white hair.

No we think she's old because characters who were kids when they met her are married with kids now.

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#46 Posted by Koays (10574 posts) - - Show Bio

@lawcol said:

She can run for the position, but I hope she doesn't get it. Apart from being one of the most obvious Mary Sue characters, she is too young, politically inexperienced, lacks connections to both major parties, a mutant living in an anti-mutant world, etc.

Wouldn't the story be in her making those connections?

I mean she's also a superhero in a superhero world.

And despite the arguments being had on the forum, classic Kitty was a Mary Sue. Aside from a slight relapse in X-Treme X-Men, the worst thing that can be said about Kitty is that when she doesn't like something complains very loudly about it. Which considering she's been doing that since she was invented, is a character trait.....one that most characters just ignore.....and one that isn't inconsistent with what im told is current presidential behavior.

regardless. "Kitty Pryde:2020"

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#47 Posted by LawCol (710 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

I mean she's also a superhero in a superhero world.

And despite the arguments being had on the forum, classic Kitty was a Mary Sue. Aside from a slight relapse in X-Treme X-Men, the worst thing that can be said about Kitty is that when she doesn't like something complains very loudly about it. Which considering she's been doing that since she was invented, is a character trait.....one that most characters just ignore.....and one that isn't inconsistent with what im told is current presidential behavior.

regardless. "Kitty Pryde:2020"

Kitty Pride's Mary Sue status comes and goes. The danger with it is that it can come back at anytime. This push to make her president has all the hallmarks of it's return. The only way she can overcome the obstacles to becoming president (including making those connections), is by becoming a super socialite who somehow does something the rest of the X-Men have never been able to do (make mutants accepted).

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@koays said:
@jhazzroucher said:
@trixie said:
@takeshi57 said:
@koays said:
@takeshi57 said:

Waiiit... don't you have to be at least 32 years old to be the president? I guess time's finally caught up with her.

You know I wanna shut this down, but if we go by marvel time that puts the O5 and Storm in their late 30s to early 40s then she really could be.

But Storm is like 10 years older than Kitty.

Ya I imagine Storm in her 40's. She is the auntie to the x-men

But you can't deny the fact that y'all think she's old because of her white hair.

No we think she's old because characters who were kids when they met her are married with kids now.

deities age but their appearance remains to be in the mid-late 20s for Storm's case. hehehe

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#49 Posted by Trixie (965 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not just the way she looks, it's the way she speaks and acts. Like calling the younger x-men "little ones".

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#50 Posted by jhazzroucher (25150 posts) - - Show Bio

@trixie said:

It's not just the way she looks, it's the way she speaks and acts. Like calling the younger x-men "little ones".

You have a point. But again, she's been praised and worshipped as a goddess at an early age so she would just pretend that she's still older than all those who worshipped her as a goddess.

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